EXACTLY my words my man. Word for word.
WZ were fun at first and then they fucked it up.
Achilles, What an ugly armor and even more ugly way to get it LMAO.
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Halo |OT| She's Gone, Sir
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EXACTLY my words my man. Word for word.
WZ were fun at first and then they fucked it up.
Achilles, What an ugly armor and even more ugly way to get it LMAO.
Yeah, the power creep and Achilles made Warzone an unbearable experience for a very long time. A couple events that I'll never forget in Warzone:
PS: Special thanks to whoever decided to give the Gungoose Passenger infinite Grenades without any cooldown. That was quite fun. /s
- The "We Love Achilles" Spartan Company stream-sniping and spawn trapping us for 3 consecutive matches. They were following us between standard Warzone and Warzone Assault and afterwards bragged about it in my Twitch Chat, when I was still doing the Warzone Saturdays. Made me quit the game and the stream for that day.
- Encountering 343i employees in WZ, which passively participated in the spawn trapping. Can't really blame them, because all they did was just sitting on top of the base and defending it. My only complaint is that the map design, spawn zones and lines of sight were just attrocious for that very reason.
- 343i employees being spawn trapped successfully for the 1st time and THEN deciding to do something about it.
- Calling out a certain (now) "pro player" and a certain forum poster for cheating in Warzone Assault (phase 1 skip) only for them to completely dismiss the issue and call us names instead. The irony of not having a problem with cheating, if you are the one doing it, but when somebody else does it to you, it's suddenly an issue. lol
PS: Special thanks to whoever decided to give the Gungoose Passenger infinite Grenades without any cooldown. That was quite fun. /s
If they were hell bent on having the Req system as a revenue generator, then the ONLY way to make the gamemode stand the test of time would be to make weapon variants "sidegrades" instead of upgrades.
Gating requisitions behind req energy did nothing but amplify the snowball effect.
And achilles did nothing but speed up the power creep, as it motivated large groups of people to find ways to break the design.
I'm really curious what their big mode will be since they are apparently leaving the world of loot boxes.
You don't think that they will just rework Warzone arround preset REQ bundles instead of random REQ bundles?
They could... But I given the the number of items they have in the system, I dont see how you make them impulsive.
The current system works because you can offer just a couple different packs, but have every items in the system represented as a probability.
With presets you either have a handful of presets, that give a ton of items in each, with a large portion of them being what the player doesn't want. Or you offer a lot of presets with a handful of items - that make for a busy UI and confusing choices to make.
You also lose that sense of progression when, day one, someone with cash can pickout the whole arsenal.
Letting people directly pay for the weapons/vehicles they want seems like it would lead to even more open to gamebreaking exploitation by players- just like those limited times when 343 sold legendary weapons directly.
I'm actually hoping they realize that they can simplify and improve their big game mode and still make a ton of money by not having people pay to build personal arsenal, and revamping their approach to cosmetics. I think Battle Pass will be extremely influential to them.
Came here to post this. I was thinking about making a thread but I'm sure it would get buried.
Still crazy to me that these guys had to think of all this stuff for Halo 2. Something that was so challenging for them and took several months, for what was a total non-brainer and something used without thought today. True innovators.
Id say it would be worth it to make a thread about it.
I have no issues with cosmetic only items and would actually prefer them over preset bundles that also contain weapons for Warzone or any other mode. Just not sure how viable it is and what 343i's plan on this is. We do know that REQ packs made them more money than any other DLC, so I'm curious if they will double down on this or if it will really just be cosmetics. All we know is that there won't be any random loot boxes, which is good enough.
Same. It's one of the defining moments of Xbox Live.
Not just Xbox Live, but modern online gaming networks themselves. Halo 2 and 3 were crazy influential in how we approach online services (and another reason why it's hilarious Nintendo is more than a decade behind.)
Yeah, what always gets lost in the debate over gameplay style is that the classic Halo's each helped revolutionized how we use games to socialized.
The From LAN Parties, to online party system, to forge and fileshare Bungie kept Halo on the front lines of social media innovations.
I think the stagnation and even regression on this front has been largely responsible for failure to keep audiences interested.
Seeing this just remind me how weird it is that H5 ditched lobby chat and "party up".
Reqs made them a ton of money, but they were feeding on whales (something that has been costing companies goodwill and sparked interest in legislation against the practice) and power creep degraded the Warzone experience over time
i think There's enough evidence now that models that aren't so predatory can Be lucrative too - maybe even moreso because the don't degrade the gametypes (keeping the player as high) and provide value to a larger audience than just whales.
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What gets me is how lazy they have been with Warzone balancing, the updates have been sporadic and way later in the life cycle than they should have been.
It still gets me they had the first community playdate in ages like a year and a half ago and lo and behold a week later the Banshee was finally nerfed.
Like there are a ton of things that could be adjusted to address the power creep in WZ but I have a feeling no one at 343i plays it anymore. The Blaze of Glory, Prophet's Bane, Ad Victoriam, the Answer, the Whiplash are all blatantly overpowered. Camo+Advanced Sensors is basically un-counterable, the only worthwhile hogs are the ONI and the Gauss variants, and on and on.
The thing is, there revenue stream is designed around the concept that the things you unlock with req energy are progressively overpowered.
Why fix the issue when people are spending money so that that they can have lots of OP items, and dominate those who don't?
I feel like there are so many variables and dynamics at play that if they started attempting to tweaking things for balance, there will be some unintended consequences somewhere else.
At this point I just hope they go back to the drawing board with Warzone 2.0.
It just needs to be simpler.
Weapon Variants and Vehicle variants should be side-grades - with pros and cons when compared to base variants. There shouldn't be straight up crappy versions of anything - those are basically just filler to shame players into buying more req packs. Nor should there be anything blatantly OP.
scopes and armor mods should give way to new powerups that can be picked up and give visual ques to opponents who see you using them
Basically players shouldn't really have to spend time in menus trying to measure how much they have and can afford to use - they should be out playing.
There are a lot of other things I think they could do to streamline the mode - masking it easier for players and sandbox designers to better understand how everything fits together.
I also remember Wasps being introduced as a Level 3 REQ, which led to even more unbalanced games. Such a weird decision.
Halo 5 didn't let you bring your party to an other players lobby either. Everyone had to join seperately, which was rather annoying.
Like I said, I would actually prefer this solution, because I really want every gamemode to be an even playing field. People who defend these things with things like "it's only in that mode" and "you don't have to play it" will never not sound crazy to me.
Wasn't really sure about that, which is why I only stated it for Xbox Live to be safe. Have no clue if others had similiar features in development, at that time.
Yeah that was probably the best thing about "party up" - jumping into matchmaking with a friend, hitting it off with two people who end up on your team, then seamlessly merging the two parties into one. A lot of old friendships were built this way. In Halo 5, the task was so cumbersome, that people would just say their goodbyes before voicechat was unceremoniously cut-off in the post game lobby. Sometimes I'd even go back to add someone from recent players and they wouldn't be there. Again, they really butchered the "social networking" aspect that was key to growing the Halo online community.
Yeah, I was actually one of those people until the wasp was released, and months went by before I had a DMR. Unfair, broken game design is never ideal, even if it's limited to 1 mode. If having rare, disturbingly OP weapons in the sandbox is key to the revenue stream because it exploits whales, then there's a huge flaw in your game's PvP design.
You know what else I really miss doing? Going to somebodies File Share and check their content. Was one of my favourite things to do in Halo 3's pre-game lobby. It was like looking at someones showcase and you often found awesome pictures, fun maps/gametypes and also videos of all sorts that you all could download. I understand hiding Gamertags in the pre-game lobby (especially for ranked play), but this is something that you should still be able to do regardless of that. Really fits that social networking aspect that you mentioned.
Absolutely. I think advancements in social networking is where classic halo previously shined and is largely what Halo has been missing in the effort to maintain its status - not dramatic shifts in the gameplay loop.
I feel like once Bungie took their foot off the gas in this department with Reach, and that coupled with polarizing gameplay changes from then on , we start to see the series decline.
This is why I think things like Forge+Fileshare+ modern Content Discovery features, Dedicated Server Rentals, community powered Playlist management, Party and Lobby Features etc are key to the series' continued success
This is where Halo needs to evolve.
They can't just launch a Halo games with a couple dev maintained playlists and expect gameplay alone to carry it. Things like Mixtape are a tiny step in the right direction, but there's a lot of work to be done.
The social aspects in Halo is what got it to where it is today and for sure should be the #1 priority in shaping Infinite's matchmaking.
Batttlefield V is a perfect axample of why Halo Infinite shouldn't get a BR move. Game only has a handful of maps and post launch resources are being wasted on a BR mode. I'd love more core maps and it certainly needs a lot, but I doubt we'll get the amount of post launch DLC Battlefield 4 saw.
When the patch hit last September, they required the entire game to be downloaded again. Keep in mind, it included a ton more than just fixing the networking.
This is cool:
Full list is at the link. I don't remember any of these maps by name, but I'm sure I'll recognize them in matchmaking. Good on 343.
We might find out some more stuff tomorrow in the new blog post.
Keep in mind, you only have to download the bits you want to play.
You just have to download 5 or 6 giga before accessing the main menu. Then, you can choose witch campaign and witch multiplayer you want.
I'm pumped, hopefully they give us a hint tomorrow.
Also with Paradox games getting mod support on XBO, I hope we get that pipeline for Halo CE maps
I hate to be a downer but the networking and regional population has me hating on Halo 3 in MCC. I can't stand it. Good for those that can have quality connection games with other players. A total waste of resources for those that can't.
use your upside down internet. its speculation.
seeing as how in the bonnie ross article about whatever hall of fame, she said its going to take longer than the normal cycle for halo infinite.
No worries, just thought some statement or something was released. I hope we at least see something of Infinite this year. I also speculate it won't come out until next year though, hopefully not 2021.
i doubt we'll see anything . but you know me. im the cynical
troll around here.
Infinite is launching whenever the next Xbox is but it will be cross-gen on Xbox One and also on PC at the same time.
343 better be prepping their servers because with Game Pass Day 1 support and having cross-gen / PC players the population for this game the first week or so is gonna be insane.
343 better be prepping their servers because with Game Pass Day 1 support and having cross-gen / PC players the population for this game the first week or so is gonna be insane.
With all this development time should we expect to see Forge mode day 1 this time? I would hope so, but it might be even more ambitious than going from 4's to 5's.
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