Halo Infinite | Story and Lore (Spoilers)

[ArchedThunder]

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The fact that zero attention is brought to this in game makes me think it's not Locke's helmet, just the helmet of a spartan that wore the same helmet.

So are the endless the precursors/flood, or just another species that were punished like the humans, but by imprisonment instead of having their technology reset?

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We don't know yet, but they are apparently more ancient than the Forerunners and Harbinger has a lot of Gravemind quotes.

 

[Burt]

Where the hell is the flood 343, just give me the flood.

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Who needs the Flood when you can have the Super-Duper-Dragonball-Escalation-Not-Flood

 

[Wrexis]

There was a line in the ending scene about the Endless asking for help I thought?

They believe we are here to help.

What do they need help with?

 

[ajoshi]

Maybe Zeta Halo is imprisoning a bunch of alien species and the Endless being the strongest of the inmates? The Silent Auditorium was probably meant for more than just the Endless. The Harbinger could be one of the other alien species. If the Endless are as dangerous as some characters make them out to be, it would be pretty underwhelming if Chief just started gunning them down with ease. Maybe in the next campaign, we'll fight a coalition of all the freed species.

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Fairly certain I heard Harbinger drop a "we" in one of her lines, implying she's Endless.

So are the endless the precursors/flood, or just another species that were punished like the humans, but by imprisonment instead of having their technology reset?

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They aren't Precursors/Flood, there are a few tells. 1) cortana references them as being worse than Flood

2) They survived the Halo array firing somehow, don't think even Precursors would survive based on the space magic explanation of what the Halos do (they target nervous systems/neural physics, which is foundation of Precursor/Flood existence). The Endless were imprisoned by what remained of Forerunners/Forerunner AI some decades after the Halos fired.

And personally I think they would leave at least one hint that they actually were Precursors. Otherwise it sounds like writers are going out of their way to tell audience these are something different. Writers are clearly focusing on 'time' as a trait associated with Endless, too, which isn't really the definition trait of any other Halo species

 

[19thCenturyFox]

We know this is not the case.

I wanna know is when is Spirit of Fire and Cutter gonna show up.

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For the purposes of Master Chief's story those two things might as well be true. 76 Spartans on Laconia, 300 Spartans on the Infinity, UNSC headquarters got wiped out and the fleet is scattered, on the run and unorganized.

The only hint that there is some kind of organized military presence to back the Chief up is the multiplayer tutorial. We also know that the Spirit of Fire, Blue Team and Team Osiris are still out there but since these are hardly acknowledged in the game my guess is that they will only be relevant in the extended fiction.

 

[TheHunter]

For the purposes of Master Chief's story those two things might as well be true. 76 Spartans on Laconia, 300 Spartans on the Infinity, UNSC headquarters got wiped out and the fleet is scattered, on the run and unorganized.

The only hint that there is some kind of organized military presence to back the Chief up is the multiplayer tutorial. We also know that the Spirit of Fire, Blue Team and Team Osiris are still out there but since these are hardly acknowledged in the game my guess is that they will only be relevant in the extended fiction.

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You left out the Eternity and Palmer.

We also know Lord Hood is still alive.

 

[Gunny T Highway]

You left out the Eternity and Palmer.

We also know Lord Hood is still alive.

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The Eternity is still incomplete because resources meant for it were used instead to fix the Infinity from a previous battle. Unless I am missing something.

 

[19thCenturyFox]

You left out the Eternity and Palmer.

We also know Lord Hood is still alive.

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I've been wondering about that. Do we known the current status of that ship?

I'm a huge fan of the Infinity, which is basically the Halo equivalent of a Galaxy class starship. Wherever the Eternity is though, she better stay the hell away from Zeta Halo since the four Banished Dreadnoughts that took out the Infinity in five minutes are probably still out there.

 

[TheHunter]

The Eternity is still incomplete because resources meant for it were used instead to fix the Infinity from a previous battle. Unless I am missing something.

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There's hints that finishing it are part of Plan B.

 

[Kiryu957]

Loved the campaign. Am I reading into it too much or does the post credit scene being in first person was them teasing Atriox as the playable lead in the dlc. Also need to look up Offensive bias. I was only aware of Mendicant bias.

 

[Kiryu957]

The fact that zero attention is brought to this in game makes me think it's not Locke's helmet, just the helmet of a spartan that wore the same helmet.

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Spartan Locke is dead? Halo Infinite

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I found this, still not sure if it's any confirmation.

 

[HungryYellow]

Spartan Locke is dead? Halo Infinite

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I found this, still not sure if it's any confirmation.

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That seems indicative.

I know a lot of people are bothered by the lack of questions being answered, but I'm very happy with how they've handled it. Leaves a lot of room for expansion, and I'm super curious about the endless. I don't like how they've sort of downplayed the flood, so the endless better be good lol

 

[DemonCarnotaur]

The fact that zero attention is brought to this in game makes me think it's not Locke's helmet, just the helmet of a spartan that wore the same helmet.

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Conversely, you can tell from the game asset it's meant to be his helmet -- I imagine it's something they had planned to go deeper into, but ended up cutting (perhaps to leave them wiggle room). But I imagine they planned to give more context to the 'Spartan Killers' in the game, and likely had more story moments planned.

 

[LastNac]

Was there a line about Zeta Halo being older then the Forerunners?

 

[Virtua Sanus]

Loved the campaign. Am I reading into it too much or does the post credit scene being in first person was them teasing Atriox as the playable lead in the dlc. Also need to look up Offensive bias. I was only aware of Mendicant bias.

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An Atriox campaign is something I had never considered but now I absolutely want.

I have been thinking a lot about where they can go with future campaigns within the Halo Infinite sandbox and I am absolutely overwhelmed and overjoyed by the thought we could be getting another MCC in a way by getting tons of new modes/features/maps in the multiplayer side but also several ODST scale campaigns every two years or so.

An Arbiter campaign, a Locke campaign, an Atriox campaign, characters previously only in books, ODST 2 or just more Master Chief stuff, whatever. I am in. The story being where it is now means there truly is no limits to how they can expand the series and the foundation in place means it will be incredibly hard to screw up.

 

[bsigg]

I wish the Halo Encyclopedia was coming out in January rather than March.

 

[Icky Thump]

Need to finish and then get in here.

 

[HungryYellow]

Was there a line about Zeta Halo being older then the Forerunners?

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Yes I didn't understand that line.

 

[Alucrid]

so what's going on with earth during this game? was it controlled by cortana and then uh...i guess preparing to stave off a banished invasion?

 

[AgentStrange]

Banished should use UNSC vehicles. I wanna see a squad of Grunts jump out of a Razorback

 

[LastNac]

Yes I didn't understand that line.

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So I'm not crazy? It stood out to me.

 

[HungryYellow]

So I'm not crazy? It stood out to me.

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My interpretation is that a species far older than the Forerunner made that Halo their home in some way? Explains why The Weapon refers to the Forerunner artifacts as extremely old. Might be a reference to the Endless, but my understanding is that they were imprisoned by the Forerunner. I have no idea!

 

[LastNac]

My interpretation is that a species far older than the Forerunner made that Halo their home in some way? Explains why The Weapon refers to the Forerunner artifacts as extremely old. Might be a reference to the Endless, but my understanding is that they were imprisoned by the Forerunner. I have no idea!

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Do you know where I can find the line? Need to prove a snooty friend worng.😅

 

[HungryYellow]

Do you know where I can find the line? Need to prove a snooty friend worng.😅

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I can't remember 😔 I definitely remember it though. I wish there was a game script available.

 

[LastNac]

I can't remember 😔 I definitely remember it though. I wish there was a game script available.

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I hope this becomes an industry norm one day.

 

[HungryYellow]

I hope this becomes an industry norm one day.

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I feel like The Weapon referred to those ring artifacts as older than the Forerunner..? I swear that's when it happens.

 

[ArchedThunder]

Was there a line about Zeta Halo being older then the Forerunners?

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No, there's stuff on the ring that's older than the Forerunners.

 

[LastNac]

No, there's stuff on the ring that's older than the Forerunners.

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So the ring itself still built by Forerunners? Some older dwells there though?

 

[Kiryu957]

That seems indicative.

I know a lot of people are bothered by the lack of questions being answered, but I'm very happy with how they've handled it. Leaves a lot of room for expansion, and I'm super curious about the endless. I don't like how they've sort of downplayed the flood, so the endless better be good lol

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I believe it isn't because the propaganda grunt isn't reliable. He said the Escharum we defeated was just 3 grunts in a suit lmao. After digging through some audio logs, Laskey mentions Locke is already sent on an operation called Breaker Trip. I believe Blue team could also be a part of this operation.

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Operation: BREAKER TRIP

Operation: BREAKER TRIP was an operation conducted by the United Nations Space Command during the Created conflict. Sometime in late 2559, Codename: FIXER attempted to access data on the operation, alongside operations KICKSTAND and WOLFE. By...

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So I found this. This is the operation Locke is on. Blue team is on a separate mission. Interestingly 343 has hinted at them in a cryptic video last year which was used as marketing for halo 4.

 

[ArchedThunder]

So the ring itself still built by Forerunners? Some older dwells there though?

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The ring was made by the Forerunners, the Endless were imprisoned there.

 

[Milk]

I would be absolutely flabbergasted if 343 actually went and just nonchalantly killed off Locke after all the work they put into him in 5.

I think he's definitely out there on the ring somewhere, alongside the likes of Laskey, Palmer, etc. Man I hope the campaign expansions come quick.

 

[DemonCarnotaur]

I would be absolutely flabbergasted if 343 actually went and just nonchalantly killed off Locke after all the work they put into him in 5.

I think he's definitely out there on the ring somewhere, alongside the likes of Laskey, Palmer, etc. Man I hope the campaign expansions come quick.

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I truly wonder if the original motivational hook for MC was discovering the fate of Locke & the Spartans, but it didn't really land, so they quadrupled down of the Cortana story (which very much does work).

 

[Porcine prophet]

There was a line in the ending scene about the Endless asking for help I thought?

They believe we are here to help.

What do they need help with?

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Well, we know the forerunners were viewed as a powerful race and when the flood appeared, I see no reason to think other races didnt look towards them for help.

That seems indicative.

I know a lot of people are bothered by the lack of questions being answered, but I'm very happy with how they've handled it. Leaves a lot of room for expansion, and I'm super curious about the endless. I don't like how they've sort of downplayed the flood, so the endless better be good lol

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I dont really think they fully downplayed the flood. I think more that they just infered the Endless were a bigger threat to the Forerunners for different reasons. The flood is still prob the greatest threat to the galaxy BUT the Endless were a bigger threat to Forerunner control and potentially Human control. If Humanity are meant to be the holders of the Mantle, then the Endless become a risk towards that. For what reason? We have no idea and I am perfectly happy with that question getting an answer at a later time. Not all questions need to be answered in one go (as you mentioned). 343 answered the big 2 questions they needed: what happened to Cortana and What happened to Atriox. Both got answers and their answers set up future stories.

I would be absolutely flabbergasted if 343 actually went and just nonchalantly killed off Locke after all the work they put into him in 5.

I think he's definitely out there on the ring somewhere, alongside the likes of Laskey, Palmer, etc. Man I hope the campaign expansions come quick.

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Personally, I have no issue with him dying as I do think he ended up being a nothing character. The context of all the Osiris characters but Lock was at least interesting. That being said, I do dislike main characters being killed off-screen.

 

[ajoshi]

The ring was made by the Forerunners, the Endless were imprisoned there.

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I think their point of confusion is how the stuff is on the ring if the ring is newer.

 

[Welfare]

343 never really succeeded in making the Spartan 4's some impressive force IMO. Oh wow the Spartan Killers killed some 4's no one cares about they must be dangerous.

Maybe it's because of how they were handled in Halo 4 where they were just a marine variant but Red Team impressed more in Halo Wars 2 than ANY Spartan 4 has shown to be capable of, and Red Team were still in Mark 4, not some Gen 3 Mark 7 armor.

 

[Moose]

Flood DLC would be cool, imagine a biome of flood, a part of the ring covered in a green haze and the landmass is just a giant flood outbreak.

 

[Deleted member 5745]

I'm a huge fan of the Infinity, which is basically the Halo equivalent of a Galaxy class starship.

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I'd compare it more to a Sovereign-class, myself :P just cause I'm being nitpicky with the whole "Galaxys were for exploring, Sovereigns were more of a warship" distinction lol.

 

[effingvic]

There was a line in the ending scene about the Endless asking for help I thought?

They believe we are here to help.

What do they need help with?

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All advanced civilizations at that time were getting their asses kicked by the Flood. Xalanyns might have had power over time but Forerunners had better weapons. Or whatever the Endless could do had no effect on the Flood similar to how the ring doesn't affect them.

 

[ajoshi]

All advanced civilizations at that time were getting their asses kicked by the Flood. Xalanyns might have had power over time but Forerunners had better weapons. Or whatever the Endless could do had no effect on the Flood similar to how the ring doesn't affect them.

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The thing I'm confused on here is that this explanation makes sense but also some other dialogue/lore (esp the post credits) implies the Endless were imprisoned after they were found by Forerunner/AI remnants 70-odd years after the Halo array firing... which also implies the Flood were pretty much defeated at that point.

Perhaps Endless needed help not against Flood but for fact that rest of galactic civilization collapsed. Idk

 

[ajoshi]

343 never really succeeded in making the Spartan 4's some impressive force IMO. Oh wow the Spartan Killers killed some 4's no one cares about they must be dangerous.

Maybe it's because of how they were handled in Halo 4 where they were just a marine variant but Red Team impressed more in Halo Wars 2 than ANY Spartan 4 has shown to be capable of, and Red Team were still in Mark 4, not some Gen 3 Mark 7 armor.

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One thing that doesn't help is that the S4s are presented as annoying JJ Abrams-ass woohoo people, like the embodiment of the less entertaining "haha yea let's kick some ass" generic scifi marine dialogue. None of the gravitas you see with Blue Team, Noble, even Osiris or the Halo Wars teams. I get its partially intentional to portray them as hundreds/thousands of upstarts with a much smaller entry barrier than previous Spartan gens but they dialed up the obnoxiousness/JJ Abramsishness a little too much.

 

[effingvic]

The thing I'm confused on here is that this explanation makes sense but also some other dialogue/lore (esp the post credits) implies the Endless were imprisoned after they were found by Forerunner/AI remnants 70-odd years after the Halo array firing... which also implies the Flood were pretty much defeated at that point.

Perhaps Endless needed help not against Flood but for fact that rest of galactic civilization collapsed. Idk

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I assumed that conversation took place before they were fired. IIRC they got all of the life forms catalogued before they fired. But then how did the Forerunners know they were immune from the halo firing.

I guess we'll find out in a comic book or something in the future.

 

[Noble]

There was a line in the ending scene about the Endless asking for help I thought?

They believe we are here to help.

What do they need help with?

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I believe with the Flood. That's around the time the rings were fired.

Offensive Bias was deployed as the last resort against them.

 

[Green]

So what I'm getting from this is the Forerunners stole their tech/Halo designs from Zeta, one that was around since before they started building them? I thought it was interesting that it could rebuild itself (think it made itself smaller in Greg Bear's books at one point right?), something we haven't known the other Halos to be able to do without the Ark so far right? Or am I understand that wrong? Did they not come up with Halo? If not, interesting play/parallel on the Prophets lies being based on a lie based on a lie. They didn't even come up with the Halos? wat

 

[ArchedThunder]

I believe with the Flood. That's around the time the rings were fired.

Offensive Bias was deployed as the last resort against them.

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The legendary dialogue is decades after the firing of the Halos.

So what I'm getting from this is the Forerunners stole their tech/Halo designs from Zeta, one that was around since before they started building them? I thought it was interesting that it could rebuild itself (think it made itself smaller in Greg Bear's books at one point right?), something we haven't known the other Halos to be able to do without the Ark so far right? Or am I understand that wrong? Did they not come up with Halo? If not, interesting play on the Prophets lies being based on a lie based on a lie. They didn't even come up with the Halos? wat

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No, Zeta Halo was made by the Forerunners. There is stuff older than the Forerunners on the ring, like the Endless, but the ring itself is simply Forerunner.

 

[Green]

The legendary dialogue is decades after the firing of the Halos.

No, Zeta Halo was made by the Forerunners. There is stuff older than the Forerunners on the ring, like the Endless, but the ring itself is simply Forerunner.

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Ah ok. So most people are agreeing The Endless is some timey-wimey race? We going full time-crystals now with Offensive Bias or what

Feel like they should have showed Harbinger's squidish species' ship design to be that one from that one CE Anniversary terminal. You know the one. Just cuz.

 

[ArchedThunder]

Ah ok. So most people are agreeing The Endless is some timey-wimey race? We going full time-crystals now with Offensive Bias or what

Feel like they should have showed Harbinger's squidish species' ship design to be that one from that one CE Anniversary terminal. You know the one. Just cuz.

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There's debate about the Endless, I don't think that the intention was to say they have control over time, just that the Forerunners couldn't allow them to exist (have time) as they could undo their plans. We are missing a ton of context, but the Endless are incredibly ancient and were somehow able to survive the firing of the Halo array.

 

[oriic]

Where the hell is the flood 343, just give me the flood.

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They are still on the ring.

 

[DemonCarnotaur]

They are still on the ring.

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I still have my doubts that is the flood, at least, the flood as we know them

 

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One thing that doesn't help is that the S4s are presented as annoying JJ Abrams-ass woohoo people, like the embodiment of the less entertaining "haha yea let's kick some ass" generic scifi marine dialogue. None of the gravitas you see with Blue Team, Noble, even Osiris or the Halo Wars teams. I get its partially intentional to portray them as hundreds/thousands of upstarts with a much smaller entry barrier than previous Spartan gens but they dialed up the obnoxiousness/JJ Abramsishness a little too much.

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Yeah I fully agree. They ruined the dignity and mystique of the Spartans while they were around, so good riddance.

 

[oriic]

I still have my doubts that is the flood, at least, the flood as we know them

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But I think it is Flood Infection Form.