That's actually a fair point and something that I'm just now coming across watching again. Hmmm. This might explain some things with the lighting. If the world simulation really dynamic, then some of the compromises make sense.
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Halo Infinite 4k/60 Gameplay Demo
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Better example. Just looks strange and weird. I understand the lore reasons for it but man I do not like the look.
People are hyprocrits. Everybody pretends they only care about performance and graphics don't matter. But suddenly everybody is crying if the games turn out like this
And then if you read the thread there are a ton of people saying that the framerate is most important for playability, but they still want games to look good. This looks disproportionate. I could buy if this was xbox one x gameplay, but this is supposed to be the xbox series x's killer app. Xbox one wasn't supposed to hold back xbox series x games...and it looks like that.
I'm not asking for photo realism. I'm asking for it to not look that bad.
Also, a LOT of people there said better graphics at 1080p60 > 4K, which was also not a poll option.
In my defense: I always prefer fancier graphics over 60FPS. I am fine with rock solid 30FPS :)
People are hyprocrits. Everybody pretends they only care about performance and graphics don't matter. But suddenly everybody is crying if the games turn out like this
Very very odd demo to show after all this hype and swelling of interest it has been getting, its first initial preview was beautiful. Wonder why they went with such a safe, lackluster demo....
If you'd have framed it similarly to how the first initial teaser was and having the gameplay be taken in that space, with roaming critters and creatures in dense forest out to more traditional style Halo worlds and up to reveal big vistas (which they did) climaxing on a different type of biome in the mountains that shifts to space, that would be really interesting, show how "new" it is and point out its expansive nature.
But its all marketing stuff, so things get screwed up all the time in that transition.
If you'd have framed it similarly to how the first initial teaser was and having the gameplay be taken in that space, with roaming critters and creatures in dense forest out to more traditional style Halo worlds and up to reveal big vistas (which they did) climaxing on a different type of biome in the mountains that shifts to space, that would be really interesting, show how "new" it is and point out its expansive nature.
But its all marketing stuff, so things get screwed up all the time in that transition.
Love the holo image reflecting in Chief's visor.It looks firmly rooted in current-gen, which is solid (assuming the design and environments hold up) in the sense that it's a 60 fps exploration shooter.
No. 30 fps can go straight to hell. I'm so damn glad MS actually cares about motion clarity and game responsiveness.
They meant Destiny 2 only runs higher than 30fps on PC, currently. Not that it's limited to 60.
I think we have been spoiled by designers and artists focusing on immersion, insane detail, and flair while this seems to be tapping into classic old school halo vibes with a super clean and smooth arcade like aesthetic and whatever open world gameplay is going to bring to the table
Maybe this is 343 playing to their strengths hopefully? If they cant reasonably handcraft mind blowing visual showcases at least they can make a fun open world shooter?
At the very least it looks like it plays well enough though not pushing many bohndaries. I doubt the classic halo audience is gonna watch this and not be excited unless they are tired of playing Halo by now
I think thats the biggest trap here. This game looks like just more Halo but now prettier and open world
Hopefully they have more surprises than that
Right? Especially because of the One X and Pro. They're the generational stepping stone. I kind of hope what we see is One X becoming the lowest common denominator for Xbox and the original One going away, if MS really wants to keep the XBox games ecosystem competitive.
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It's called concern trolling.
People are hyprocrits. Everybody pretends they only care about performance and graphics don't matter. But suddenly everybody is crying if the games turn out like this
Studios like Rockstar and Naughty Dog have set and will continue to set completely unreasonable standards at the cost of actual human suffering to create the games they do, and people will begin to expect all games to hit those marks.
343 has to be the sleaziest developers in the industry for releasing this announcement trailer in 2018.
So this is using single shot/long take cinematic sequences? interesting. But not sure they succeeded there fully. Guess it is hard to stage that way, if it is sequences of two characters facing the same direction all cool, but as soon as it is a typical conversation the camera has to start swirling around too much for my taste and draws attentation to this being the gimmick.
We are going into a new generation so of course graphics whoring is at its peak. Gameplay looks solid and fun, and graphically its got a clean visual language and runs at 60. I love it. Could they improve it, sure. But the hyperbole in here is cringe
I feel like the demo doesn't sell the open world aspects well at all, which is my main problem. Also I need to see what the multiplayer is like. They need to show off WAY more of this game, shit comes out in a few months.
I don't like the way the game looks but come on. The sleaziest developers in the industry is way too harsh.
Like the other guy said, you can only get a 60fps experience on PC right now. You can get higher than 60fps on PC as well, but that's not what I was saying.
This. Exactly. Something about the Lighting and visual fidelity just looks... off.
This is how it looked 2018 (look at that lighting and Level of Detail!):
This is how I imagined the look:
This is how it looks 2020 (after nearly 5 years of development):
Yeah those early in-engine trailers set the expectations pretty high for microsoft's new generation console and now the result feels like roughly halo 4ish level at higher resolution and I'm a little caught off guard to say the least
nothing outside the cutscenes looks next gen and the earlier teasers were not indicative at all
Definitely not representative of the actual game, hardly even looks like the same game except during cutscenes
This could easily pass for a game released 5 or 6 years ago (or longer?!) with an "X enhanced" patch. In fact that feels more believable than this being a launch title for XSX.
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A 30fps game will eventually look bad by comparison. But it will always have choppy motion/bad feeling of gameplay
A 60fps game will look worse quickee by comparision.
It will however ALWAYS be smooth and feel good to play
60fps is ALWAYS better - i dont play screenshots
this is my philosophy. Nintendo usually does this and gamecube games such as metroid prime still play great at 60 (but look dated)... try replaying uncharted 1 on ps3? It feels horrible at sub 30fps and STILL looks bad today
30fps games age HORRIBLY
I'm not sure 'open world' or bigger play spaces is really an excuse in 2020. Not after the top tier open world games we've seen recently - e.g RDR2, Horizon, Ghost of Tsushima etc.
Fact is, open world or not - the game needs to look hot. And the fact that we're even discussing whether it compares to Destiny 2 (current gen game) is crazy.
It looks so strange. Everything is very bright indicating that there should be a lot of light lighting the scene. But there aren't any shadows to back that up. Which would indicate that the sky is extremely overcast to prevent shadows, but if you look at the sky theres almost no clouds.
Better example. Just looks strange and weird. I understand the lore reasons for it but man I do not like the look.
the lighting is a mess just like in Halo 5 Which had the same issues.
They are not the sleaziest, but this is a great example of why people are so let down, they showed us these amazing visuals and what we got doesn't even come close.
Sure if you ignore literally everyone who has actively talked about it by reducing it down to a poll with no nuance so you can make your opponents arguments black and white. Sure. Totally.
Let's ignore resolution. Let's ignore how bad this game looks. People said we'd like good looking games at 60fps. We don't need 4K if it makes the games look bad. We want games that look good at 60fps. We don't need photorealism. We don't need hyper realistic. 60fps is the first thing we want for playability, but having to compromise so that at moments your game looks like really low end current gen on a next generation console...that's pretty bad. But nah throw out all that nuance. Because doing that makes you smart. For sure.
If you'd read the thread and the responses to that dumbass post in this thread there's already people explaining that.
But sure you're so superior and have seen the hypocrisy of gamers. Jesus Christ.
Ah interesting games to bring up. All 30fps, and with significantly less verticality than a Halo game.
You shouldn't have made that bet, but how could you know they'd go that stupid?
How does battlefield 5 play on XBX? I can imagine it's close to 4K and 60FPS with wide open areas, 64 players and destructible environments.
Bit harsh, but wow i forgot how pretty this looked. Also, its pretty standard behavior from the games industry tbh. Everybody releases these BS videos even Naughty Dog fails to match their targets.
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60fps is preferable but it's not the be-all, end-all. TLOU2 looks leagues better and does way more to push gameplay at 30fps than the TLOU does at 60fps, for example.
People are hyprocrits. Everybody pretends they only care about performance and graphics don't matter. But suddenly everybody is crying if the games turn out like this
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I was thinking the same thing...man..why does it look so flat? These sort of issues cant possibly be due to them targeting 4K/60 right? That just seems like a bug or oversight.
They released a broken ass game with MCC at launch and I ended up buying the Xbox one for that shit. Then there was the marketing for Halo 5. And now this. I have every fucking right to be pissed of with them.
The flighting section doesn't sound promising to me. I get the issues with the pandemic changing plans; but this alludes to a WIP multiplayer experience to me
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Killzone as a franchise is dead because it always sucked and was just a desperate attempt at a 'Halo killer' from Sony (even the name is fucking terrible).
It is a 7 year old game and it looks better than this. Miles better. Seven years old. And it was a launch game so its not some late gen optimisation; it's pretty much directly comparable. Who cares if this is in 4K when the 1080p game looks better, resolution has no effect on gameplay so if the visuals are worse, the visuals are worse.
Well, we were all worried about the campaign and the gameplay a couple of hours ago. I am taking it for what I knew it to be. A cross-gen game. IF they can knock out the campaign with a compelling story, and if the multiplayer is fun, then it is mission accomplished for me.
Hey, if you're gonna try to be Bungie, might as well go all the way with it.
It would seem development resources are firmly rooted in different priorities. Its not an ugly game just lacking in detail and artistry
Perhaps their focus is the open world, the physics, and whatever other features are bing put in.
Outside the environments the effects and sound design seem solid. Its a very clean game. Maybe too clean? Feels like playing in a freshly cleaned bathroom.