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Halloween Kills |OT| More Of The Night He Came Home Again.
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Even when people in comments are pointing out Black Christmas, and saying Carpenter even references BC as an influence in a Halloween audio commentary, this Owen guy is saying that doesn't mean Carpenter wasn't subconsciously ripping off TCM.
Besides, what is even his point? Every movie steals from/is influenced by/is an amalgamation of past movies.
I think he didn't like being called out for his ignorance so rather than stay quiet, he's now posturing.
It's somehow a million times sadder too where he is a paid "professional" writer and not some random internet poster.
And the dude's getting stuff wrong about the original Halloween too, describing Michael as wearing an asylum jumpsuit. Should've just stepped back from this one.
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Halloween has more Psycho and Black Christmas in its veins than TCM 74.
I'm sure Halloween 78 would still exist in a universe where Hooper never made TCM.
I'm sure Halloween 78 would still exist in a universe where Hooper never made TCM.
But then who could John Carpenter steal the idea of someone in a mask from...
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I'm not sure what I think of it yet. Going to rewatch before decide. Definitely didn't love it as much as the 2018 one
This isn't stupid? Marion was attacked by Myers while with Loomis. She probably formed some sort of connection with Loomis after Mikey was captured. If anything she said it because she knows how strongly Loomis would want him dead if he were there.
All love and respect to everyone who enjoyed this. In a world where Halloween 6 and those awful 90's-early 2000's Halloweens exist, this is the worst one. They turned my graceful, subtle boy into Jason fucking Voorhees, and I love Jason, but Mikey ain't him.
I've always enjoyed his subtlety, his precision, his stalking. Someone here said that Michael was like a ghost you see out of the corner of your eye, and I really enjoy that analogy. I can't find the right words to describe why I don't like him in this film other than to say he's one trip to a summer camp away from bashing a girl in her sleeping bag into a tree covered in barbed wire and then chanting "ECW! ECW!".
And I felt it was super on the nose and screaming "YOU FOOLS! THE REAL MONSTER IS MAAAAAAAN. Michael is a reflection of us alllllll!"
The folks who enjoyed it, that's awesome and I'm stoked you enjoyed it. I just kept hearing Judd Crandall in my head saying "Sometimes dead is bettah..."
I've always enjoyed his subtlety, his precision, his stalking. Someone here said that Michael was like a ghost you see out of the corner of your eye, and I really enjoy that analogy. I can't find the right words to describe why I don't like him in this film other than to say he's one trip to a summer camp away from bashing a girl in her sleeping bag into a tree covered in barbed wire and then chanting "ECW! ECW!".
And I felt it was super on the nose and screaming "YOU FOOLS! THE REAL MONSTER IS MAAAAAAAN. Michael is a reflection of us alllllll!"
The folks who enjoyed it, that's awesome and I'm stoked you enjoyed it. I just kept hearing Judd Crandall in my head saying "Sometimes dead is bettah..."
You're filling in blanks yourself on that one though.
Let me ask you, do you think anyone would have brought up the line if she said, "This is for that night!" rather than specifically saying it's for Loomis?
Part of why it's stood out to me now is that I suppose I truly would have liked to have learned more about Chambers' history with Loomis since that night. Makes me wonder if there was anything they might have cut there specifically about it.
I'm filing in blanks, but the movie makes it clear that the survivors are all close, plus it's a small town.
Learning more about Chambers' and Loomis' history would've been really nice.
Should have had a quick Loomis and Chambers flashback during the bar scene.
The pair of them in that very same bar, 1st November 1978, "I had him, Miss. Chambers, I had him dead to rights and the police stopped me, their ignorant bureaucracy stopped me from ending the evil once and for all!"
I'd have dug it.
I dont think he's actually truly an actor lol. He's from the art department.
Mob mentality is stupid and does stupid so that's kind of fine, the problem was focusing the movie too much on the stupid mob. We've seen stupid mobs in real life just recently making this kind of more to the point, but still it doesn't mean it's the movie I want to watch. I kind of loved the movie at all times that wasn't dealing with the mob of idiots.
Haven't felt such a profound sense of regret for spending $5 in a while. Coulda gotten a crunchwrap and acid reflux afterward and had a better time.
"this is for Dr Loomis"
How about The Hills Have Eyes 2?
Well you can watch…Dead Silence?
How about The Hills Have Eyes 2?
Just finished watching it, and yeah, even with lowered expectations that movie was simply dreadful… what the hell happened? Zero character development, pacing was all over the place, and overall was completely forgettable from top to bottom. What a disappointment from the great reboot…
Same.
I remember both those trailers scared the hell out of middle school lol
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Ah, I was out of school when the 2nd one came out.=O But yeah, I'm really curious about both of them and should try to get to them when possible and the trailers help with that!Same.
I remember both those trailers scared the hell out of middle school lol
The Hills Have Eyes (2006) Trailer
While traveling in a trailer to California through the New Mexico Desert, a family is misled to a shortcut going to nowhere by the owner of an isolated gas s...
What a massive disappointment. I can't fully put into words why I disliked it so much, but I think it's mainly got to do with this movie fitting a trend of horror movies where the villain is untouchable, and I fucking hate horror movies that are like this.
To be clear, I'm down for Michael staying alive again and again, especially when we know it will happen because there's already another installment greenlit and titled, but to care for these movies, I have to feel like the heroes are capable of defeating the villain. If the villain appears to be an all-powerful being who is stronger than anyone else put together times infinity and can slash his way out of any situation, then I don't care. More than that, it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. Also, this movie completely wastes almost all the returning characters.
It's well-made, though needlessly disjointed, but to me it goes in the pile with the Rob Zombie movies. It's a clear step back from Halloween 2018, and although I'm sure it's intentional, it doesn't feel like a Halloween movie. It's like a film from a different franchise with a Halloween skin.
To be clear, I'm down for Michael staying alive again and again, especially when we know it will happen because there's already another installment greenlit and titled, but to care for these movies, I have to feel like the heroes are capable of defeating the villain. If the villain appears to be an all-powerful being who is stronger than anyone else put together times infinity and can slash his way out of any situation, then I don't care. More than that, it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. Also, this movie completely wastes almost all the returning characters.
It's well-made, though needlessly disjointed, but to me it goes in the pile with the Rob Zombie movies. It's a clear step back from Halloween 2018, and although I'm sure it's intentional, it doesn't feel like a Halloween movie. It's like a film from a different franchise with a Halloween skin.
The 2006 remake is fantastic, one of the few times a remake turns out better than the original, and with a great, thumping score too.
The Hills Have Eyes 2 is sadly quite bad and largely just a retread of the remake, but with worse characters.
Yeah, this was a bit of an issue for me too. Before the movie came out I was a little perturbed by some of the criticism from Venice or whatever that said Kills doesn't work because you know he's back in Ends. At the time, my response to that was that Michael is obviously surviving the night, but you still don't know who lives or who dies victim-wise.
Sadly, that becomes problematic because in almost all cases except the old couple, and Big John and Little John, I mostly didn't care about anybody else.
Sadly, I completely agree. I think DGG has been on record lately saying many old faces were meant to turn up in 2018 but they scaled it all back in the end to get the essentials down.
Friday the 13th Part 11: Jason Kills, basically.
This movie was so bad. Recently, an acquaintance of mine was wanting to rewatch some of the Halloween films, and of course he wants to start with "his favorite". You know, the one that had absolutely nothing at all to do with the first two films and those that followed? So we watched that goofy film, where the most memorable thing about it was the masks, the jingle and how ridiculous it was overall. Then we watched Kills, and it was essentially just a crappy Friday the 13th film. Then we watched the second, which I had not seen since I was a kid, and thought it was the only other one besides the first and 2018 film that I really enjoyed.
Nostalgia is a real bitch, because that film was so drastically different in tone from the original film that it seemed not like a sequel, but more like a knockoff, and it had so many cheesy scenes and many that required some Herculean suspension of disbelief to swallow. I think of all of the Halloween films, only two of them are worth watching again. The first one, and the pseudo reboot/direct sequel 2018 film.
I think the next time I watch a film at this person's house, I'm going to insist that it be It Follows, since he's never seen it, and it's the only other film that I can think of that evokes a similar style of the original Halloween without trying to be a clone.
Nostalgia is a real bitch, because that film was so drastically different in tone from the original film that it seemed not like a sequel, but more like a knockoff, and it had so many cheesy scenes and many that required some Herculean suspension of disbelief to swallow. I think of all of the Halloween films, only two of them are worth watching again. The first one, and the pseudo reboot/direct sequel 2018 film.
I think the next time I watch a film at this person's house, I'm going to insist that it be It Follows, since he's never seen it, and it's the only other film that I can think of that evokes a similar style of the original Halloween without trying to be a clone.
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Wow, great shout. I hadn't considered that before but I think you're spot on.
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I completely agree. I really wanted to like this too since I liked Halloween 2018 so much.
Folks getting really crazy with the hyperbole, even if you didn't like it this is not touching bottom of the barrel of Halloween films.
It's uneven but I still enjoyed lot of it. I think they took risks and tried to make a different movie from the typical stalk and slash type of slasher film, trying to make a big action carnage film. Lot of this I think still will depend on how things go with Halloween Ends and if it helps bookend the trilogy
It's uneven but I still enjoyed lot of it. I think they took risks and tried to make a different movie from the typical stalk and slash type of slasher film, trying to make a big action carnage film. Lot of this I think still will depend on how things go with Halloween Ends and if it helps bookend the trilogy
Goddamn college was the best. Doing stuff like that, it doesn't get much better. I remember in my dorm back in 2000 we all watched The Blair Witch Project in our dorm common room and then some of us went out to an old abandoned TB hospital. One of the best Halloweens ever.
Yeah this the only thing that bothers me too. I have no issue with people thinking Kills is terrible. That's perfectly fine.
But "worst in the series" is some utterly insane combination of recency bias and rosetinted glasses. Go watch H5 or Resurrection and come back and say that with a straight face. Objectively I don't think you could rank Kills any lower than middle of the pack at worst.
Yeah, movie wasn't good.
Pretty big step down from 2018 Halloween.
Not a big fan of them making Michael like Jason where he is "a child's mind in the body of a man" and not the whole "pure evil" angle they were going with in the previous film. This felt less like a horror/slasher movie and instead a really dumb action movie where the people hunting Michael are grossly incompetent.
Maybe it's commentary on how mobs like this are ineffective due to people not being trained to deal with situations like this, but holy shit the people of Haddenfield are embarrassingly incapable.
I fucking lost it when the doctor shot herself and the fact everyone with a gun seems incapable of hitting a large man walking at a casual pace and will instead somehow shoot themselves or other people.
Pretty big step down from 2018 Halloween.
Not a big fan of them making Michael like Jason where he is "a child's mind in the body of a man" and not the whole "pure evil" angle they were going with in the previous film. This felt less like a horror/slasher movie and instead a really dumb action movie where the people hunting Michael are grossly incompetent.
Maybe it's commentary on how mobs like this are ineffective due to people not being trained to deal with situations like this, but holy shit the people of Haddenfield are embarrassingly incapable.
I fucking lost it when the doctor shot herself and the fact everyone with a gun seems incapable of hitting a large man walking at a casual pace and will instead somehow shoot themselves or other people.