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Halloween (2018) |OT| The Night He Came Home. Again.
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For what it's worth, they said from the get-go that the intention was a two-film story, and initially they were going to film back-to-back, but held off in case this film flopped at the box office. It has enough finality in the end just in case that happened.
As it stands, I think the sequel is almost guaranteed now.
I definitely consider this to be the best sequel.
I also love the original Halloween 2 but this really was excellent.
And the gore was incredibly well done; profound, nasty, but not overdone.
I also love the original Halloween 2 but this really was excellent.
And the gore was incredibly well done; profound, nasty, but not overdone.
This film was made for about 10 million, not counting advertising.
It's on track to make between 55 - 70 million this weekend alone.
Yeah, we're getting a sequel. :)
I just hope they get the same people to work on it.
I'm pretty sure that's the intention, like I said. They want to tell the second part of this story.
Honestly kinda surprised this got so much praise. I thought parts of it were close to terrible while other parts were very, very good. I'd say it's about a 6.5/10.
Firstly most of the new characters are totally flat and boring. Nobody cares about Laurie having a granddaughter and it would've been way more interesting to streamline the focus on Laurie and her daughter. Because the inane high school banter in this film was fucking TERRIBLE. The awkward high school nerd should've been cut completely.
I also thought a few of the death scenes were a little too Scary Movie-esque for their own good
By far the most baffling element was
The third act was by far the best part of the movie, I was super tense for the finale.
Laurie and Myers were done a very solid treatment, the music was dope...but I feel like the script let it down somewhat. Too much ordinariness, too much focus on the wrong things and some straight-up dumb dialogue like the journalist woman talking about going for a poo and the weird peanut butter jokes.
Firstly most of the new characters are totally flat and boring. Nobody cares about Laurie having a granddaughter and it would've been way more interesting to streamline the focus on Laurie and her daughter. Because the inane high school banter in this film was fucking TERRIBLE. The awkward high school nerd should've been cut completely.
I also thought a few of the death scenes were a little too Scary Movie-esque for their own good
the girl slipping over and the guy getting caught on the rail
By far the most baffling element was
New Loomis becoming a murderer. It felt so lazy and tacked on to keep the story going even though it was effectively dispatched like 3 minutes later. Laaame
The third act was by far the best part of the movie, I was super tense for the finale.
I loved the trap reveal though it ultimately feels incredibly hollow because Halloween 2 will inevitably reveal he managed to slip away somehow. Yaaaawwwn. If this was the true end of the series and we saw Michael get melted before our eyes that would've been incredible
Laurie and Myers were done a very solid treatment, the music was dope...but I feel like the script let it down somewhat. Too much ordinariness, too much focus on the wrong things and some straight-up dumb dialogue like the journalist woman talking about going for a poo and the weird peanut butter jokes.
I did? Hence my post?
But people still dropping not so subtle hints? And not behind spoiler buttons?
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For real. Comparing this to Resurrection is wild disrespectful. Nobody is trying to Bruce Lee Myers in this one.
Can't please everyone.
The Loomis-2 plot totally could have been interesting but like you said, it lasts about 4 minutes and then he's jelly so it doesn't matter at all. What a waste. Could have been developed into something tasty.
I was so disappointed that they wussed out on the ending like that, too. That whole final fight is like the only part of the movie that's worthwhile but they undercut their own ending with their obvious sequel baiting, going out of their way to show him mysteriously absent in the final shots of the room. But I guess the entire premise of this movie starts by undercutting the ending of the original to benefit their sequel so I can't be that surprised. An ending with some amount of finality would have had a lot of impact.
I was so disappointed that they wussed out on the ending like that, too. That whole final fight is like the only part of the movie that's worthwhile but they undercut their own ending with their obvious sequel baiting, going out of their way to show him mysteriously absent in the final shots of the room. But I guess the entire premise of this movie starts by undercutting the ending of the original to benefit their sequel so I can't be that surprised. An ending with some amount of finality would have had a lot of impact.
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Absolutely loved it.
The comparisons to Terminator 2 are spot-on; the movie nails The Shape as an unstoppable killing machine in human form, but doesn't spend as much time keeping him in the shadows because it doesn't need to. Loved JLC's Laurie in this; really, all 3 generations of Strode women are great in this, and the movie does a good job of giving both Karen and Allyson enough development for you to feel invested in their stories as well as Laurie's. Also, every scene with Vicky and Julian left me wanting more; their interactions were some of the best in the movie.
The whole theater cheered at
and
Can't wait to see it again!
The comparisons to Terminator 2 are spot-on; the movie nails The Shape as an unstoppable killing machine in human form, but doesn't spend as much time keeping him in the shadows because it doesn't need to. Loved JLC's Laurie in this; really, all 3 generations of Strode women are great in this, and the movie does a good job of giving both Karen and Allyson enough development for you to feel invested in their stories as well as Laurie's. Also, every scene with Vicky and Julian left me wanting more; their interactions were some of the best in the movie.
The whole theater cheered at
Michael looking back and not seeing Laurie's body on the lawn
Karen's "gotcha" moment in the safe room.
I thought that at first too but when you consider how obsessed with Michael Loomis was in the original film, the idea of his successor losing himself in that obsession actually makes sense.
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That's what they said the intention was for this new revival months ago.
If you believe that I've got some shit to sell you. They milking this as long as they can.
Yes, but I also think that people are slightly misinterpreting him. I don't think he was "pure evil", but he thought that there was some 'larger' element to Michael, and that some collateral damage will be necessary for "the greater good", and I think this parallels Laurie's character well. I think he kills the officer because he knows that there's already a body count and he's trying to genuinely understand the psyche, reasoning/motivation for Michael Myers, to the point where he's beyond obsessed, he's deranged.
And yes, I think this makes perfect sense for a Loomis long-term protege.
And yes, I think this makes perfect sense for a Loomis long-term protege.
The studio probably will, but I believe the team behind this in their intention and goal.
I'm actually a little bit surprised there's as much negativity as there is. I pretty much fully agree with that early linked Rossatron video. I think I might go see this again tonight. I've been hyped ever since I got out of seeing it last night. I can't stop thinking about it and wanting to talk about it haha. Excited for more people to see it and get in on the discussion!
Oh I agree entirely.
The fact that Michael crushes his skull without a moment's hesitation indicates he was just a tourist trying to understand something far beyond his capability.
I went with my best friend last night and the original is - bar none - his favorite film and he thinks this movie is equally good even if it's not nearly as seminal and influential.
I'm also a huge fan and I would call this not only the best Halloween sequel but one of the best horror film of the last decade.
Dude the headstomp was fucking insane. Like holy shit, the crowd I was with lost it. Really, all of the kills were on point.
Yeah, I'm a huge fan of the original. It's easily in my top 5 of all time faves. I also happen to love the slasher genre of horror films, in particular 1980's ones. I thought this was amazing, and yeah, it's actually right up there with the original and I thought it had no chance in hell. I went in with muted, realistic expectations. Excited, but not expecting spectacular. It blew me away, honestly. I think it's one of the best horror movies in the last decade too, and I think it's easily the best slasher since Scream.
Am I the only one that....
I could be super psycho analyzing this lol but I really took it as such and thought it was really well done in adding to both Laurie and Michael's characters...
...thought Laurie had different reactions to seeing Michael with and without the mask on?
Like when she sees the bus and the diner scene after she's like "I saw him" and is crying and losing her mind because of the PTSD but when she shoots through the window of the house and sees him in the mirror it's more like a "holy fucking shit" type of visceral reaction and fear kicks in.
Like he's the same guy but seeing the "human" version of him inspires a different reaction opposed to the mask...
Like when she sees the bus and the diner scene after she's like "I saw him" and is crying and losing her mind because of the PTSD but when she shoots through the window of the house and sees him in the mirror it's more like a "holy fucking shit" type of visceral reaction and fear kicks in.
Like he's the same guy but seeing the "human" version of him inspires a different reaction opposed to the mask...
I could be super psycho analyzing this lol but I really took it as such and thought it was really well done in adding to both Laurie and Michael's characters...
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We have to have a real conversation about the slasher genre. How many genuinely great slashers have there been, especially since SCREAM? List is probably super short. When you say something like "best Slasher since SCREAM," people may roll their eyes, but if you look at the releases since then... maybe not so crazy.
I have to see it a few more times though, I'll probably go see it in theaters once more too.
I have to see it a few more times though, I'll probably go see it in theaters once more too.
Since Scream? From my perspective, it's just this and Scream 4, for different reasons, obviously, though both tackling similar material.
Yeah I mean, I'm not too sure what you could even consider in the slasher genre in that time period. There were the 1980's revival films (lol), but this is definitely better than all of those I think. The original Saw has some of those vibes, but isn't really a "slasher" film. But it's the first movie featuring a masked killer since Scream that actually feels like a good movie, beyond just being fun popcorn horror. That it has themes and strong imagery beyond being shock and gore porn.
Does Hush count? I would put it over just about anything post-Scream.
The running theory is that a slasher villain's weapon is a stand-in for his masculinity (penis), so him getting the knife back has some strong connotations to it.
Hush was pretty good, but I do think this is better. Another good one, but not a stereotypical slasher I liked in recent years was Creep. Scream 4 was also pretty good, too.
I need to rewatch Scream 4. I found it pretty unmemorable but a lot of people continue to sing it's praises.
When I first watched it I thought it was better than people gave it credit for. I rewatched the entire series this month and SCREAM is the only one that I thought was still unquestionably brilliant. SCREAM 4 may be the best sequel though. I remember 3 being underwhelming but 2 was more meh than I had remembered.
It's one of the best slasher sequels. It tackles a lot of interesting issues with regards to the effects on a community and individuals years after the fact.
At least it wasn't the same stuff Rob Zombie's Myers was getting
As someone who absolutely loves the franchise (favourite slasher franchise by a large margin, with the first film being the one that introduced young me to the genre as a whole) I don't think it ever comes anywhere near the heights of Scream or even Scream 2 but agreed, it does try and say something, like all of Craven's films attempt to. I think it's an average sequel though that leaned far too much into straight up comedy than it should have, the same problem that plagued Scream 3, and completely lacked the sinister undertones of the first two films. It was plagued with rewrites and forced changes throughout the production though - it sounded like a nightmare from beginning to end. I do appreciate it's ideas though and what it was going for, I just don't think that it stuck the landing all that well. Each to their own though.
I always thought Scream 2 was a damn good sequel but the finale does drag a bit - that said, Scream 2 should've been where that story ended.
Scream 2 is a fine enough film, but I wouldn't call it good or great. Better than 3, for sure, though.
Yeah it easily tops 3, I'm not saying it's a great film - just that it's a good sequel to what came before. Even more so when you consider how it was rushed out the door less than a year after the first.
I know a lot of people don't like how "stupid" the characters were (it didn't bother me but I wasn't expecting anything less) but it works to juxtapose against Laurie
She's a crazy old conspiracy lady but she's the only one who knows what the fuck she's doing
Really enjoyed the movie, plays plenty of homage and embraces the typical tropes but has enough modern "self-aware" slasher to it to keep it from feeling dated. I'd watch another but I'd be curious what tricks they'd have up their sleeve, I guess since this is a movie all about preparation the sequel could flip it again to where he's subverting their plans
She's a crazy old conspiracy lady but she's the only one who knows what the fuck she's doing
Really enjoyed the movie, plays plenty of homage and embraces the typical tropes but has enough modern "self-aware" slasher to it to keep it from feeling dated. I'd watch another but I'd be curious what tricks they'd have up their sleeve, I guess since this is a movie all about preparation the sequel could flip it again to where he's subverting their plans
Yeah, that's how I felt it still had its tropes but wasn't enough to bring down the movie for me.
they don't want to have some convoluted story again to how he survived like in h20
I mean people were laughing the whole babysitter scene juat like busta rhymes wearing the myers costume.
I really enjoyed it, although I find it all a bit predictable and the direction a little pedestrian (but it's so hard not to compare it to Halloween which is a really high standard!). Michael and Laurie were really well characterized.
You can put me down as a fan of Scream 2 and 4. Scream 4's failure is still so depressing. It was a great movie that deserved better than it got at the time. I'd have been interested to see where they were going to take the sketched out 5 and 6, but what are you going to do?
Knowing that they've had sequel ideas in mind all along with respect to this Halloween movie... well, that makes me more optimistic for the inevitable (given the box office success) sequel than if they'd been selling this as the last ever Halloween movie.
You can put me down as a fan of Scream 2 and 4. Scream 4's failure is still so depressing. It was a great movie that deserved better than it got at the time. I'd have been interested to see where they were going to take the sketched out 5 and 6, but what are you going to do?
Knowing that they've had sequel ideas in mind all along with respect to this Halloween movie... well, that makes me more optimistic for the inevitable (given the box office success) sequel than if they'd been selling this as the last ever Halloween movie.
I really love Scream 4. It's not the classic 1 is but it's a lot of fun and has some great ideas