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Halle Berry Says She Might Play a Trans Man in a Movie, Repeatedly Refers to the Character as a Woman (UP: Apologizes)
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This is my take. But I don't know her views on trans rights so I'm looking at it in a vacuum.
Clunky phrasing but it seems like she's trying to say it changes to a man's story. Still a problematic sentence though.
Fuck her, and the explanation sounds terfy.
But you know what really makes my day, makes me happy and feels like progressis assured? When trans people get called "it". Just fucking love it and makes me so happy to be a member of the species.
Fuck you Halle Berry.
But you know what really makes my day, makes me happy and feels like progressis assured? When trans people get called "it". Just fucking love it and makes me so happy to be a member of the species.
Fuck you Halle Berry.
Edit: I missread the article and mistook the film in question and bruised as the same film.
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Only way this would be ok is if the character in the movie starts out pre transition. But yea it's kinda yikes how she is saying the characters a woman...that's going into TERF territory.
There are also asians and black people playing white people, because the whole movie is about the same person being reborn in different lives and different races. In the context of the movie I'm pretty sure it was a non issue.
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Halle never calls the man a man and never uses male pronouns....
What part of "Trans men are men" is so hard for these celebrities and such to understand? :\
"It changes to a man" - That NOT what happens. That's NOT how this work. Geez...
Then why the fuck did she call him an it? Or never use he period? Ask yourself why you're giving them the benefit of the doubt for a change.
Then it probably just needs to be sealed away in a vault never to be seen like The Day the Clown Cried
Yup.
Let's not ever have another Transparent / Dallas Buyer's Club again
I did right in the post you quoted. Don't accuse me of transphobia please, it makes for an extremely toxic environment. I just wanted to be optimistic for once in what feels like forever.
If you have tan actual issue with Cloud Atlas you should be directing that angst against the Wachowski's instead of some random actor.
Edit: I missread the article and mistook the film in question and bruised as the same film.
Maybe she meant "It's a female story that changes to a mans story".
How many times she refers to the person as a woman in such a short snippet almost makes it seem like some sort of parody, even though it obviously isn't. Maybe she is just out of the loop who knows.
Off-topic to the thread at this point, but I personally didn't feel the concept excused the execution.
Felt it was on-topic to note that given Halle Berry has in the past been comfortable with acting in a film containing yellow-face, it stands to reason she may not see the issue with playing a trans character.
edit: ignore this post i mixed movies
The weirdest is that every place that you search about this movie, the most complex summary you get is
Zero references to any character being trans.
So not only they casted a WOMAN to play the role of a MAN but it probably still uses "trans" part as a plot twist
The weirdest is that every place that you search about this movie, the most complex summary you get is
Zero references to any character being trans.
So not only they casted a WOMAN to play the role of a MAN but it probably still uses "trans" part as a plot twist
You need to seriously reassess your post, what value is it bringing to this thread, what is it saying?
You can't just pepper language of doubt into your message to make it more acceptable, and you aren't bringing optimism into a thread by telling transpeople that they are wrong and should shut up.
My first reply to this was going to be "I'm sorry for using strong language" because my nature is to give people the benefit of the doubt too, but honestly, no. Shut up and listen.
The hubris of being so ingorant on a subject and feeling you can do it justice anyway is incredible. This goes for both Halle and whoever thought it was a good idea to pitch this to her.
The MMA movie is separate from the trans one, she was talking about what she's working on next after filming.
Sounds like she's pretty ignorant about this and presumably, so are the people who pitched this movie to her if they didn't give a primer so she'd understand? Idk, probably a more generous take than this deserves.
I'm subtly pointing out you have no clue what Cloud Atlas was about and the background of the people who authored it. It's fine to criticize Barry for her comments in this specific thread but to bring up Cloud Atlas as additional evidence is misguided.
I'm not reporting this since I'm not a snitch but the hostility and gaslighting is completely uncalled for.
That's the end of this tangent. I won't be involved in a distraction from the important topic.
It's okay to want to be optimistic, but misplaced optimism can be more harmful than good. There are many red flags with Halle's comment that make it clear that she herself doesn't understand the issue or understand how she's being transphobic, even if her intent wasn't to be.
That's still no excuse on her part, and in fact is all the more reason why she shouldn't play such a role.
As a reminder to all, trans women are women, trans men are men. It is incredibly egregious and insulting on Halle's part to call this a "female story", or to consistently use the wrong pronouns.
No, Halle, he was always a man.
He was never a woman.
Fuck off, you can't even get basic facts straight.
He was never a woman.
Fuck off, you can't even get basic facts straight.
Her words make Scarlet Johanson looks a trans ally dear god
of if your project will catch fire if they hire a trans person (pro tip: it won't), at least hire a cis MAN to play the role of a character who is a MAN
of if your project will catch fire if they hire a trans person (pro tip: it won't), at least hire a cis MAN to play the role of a character who is a MAN
The author of Cloud Atlas (David Mitchell) is a white man, and his time in Japan doesn't remove the position of privilege from which he writes. I am well aware the Wachowskis are trans if that's what you're getting at. I recognise the themes of Cloud Atlas, but as I said, I didn't feel that message and intent excused content.
Anyway, don't wish to derail - genuinely felt that her role in Cloud Atlas made her sentiments of trans as 'performative' unsurprising.
There's plenty of ignorance in her comments, but the "it" is clearly referring to the story. She's (ignorantly) saying that it starts off as "a woman's story" and that it (the story) changes to "a man's story," which is a sure fire sign she doesn't get that the transition has no bearing on her character's gender.
Yeah they learned their lesson of cancelling films about trans characters if cis actors were going to get criticised before they ever let trans actors take the lead.
So you're going to sow seeds of doubt as to if something is incredibly transphobic or not, call me hostile for replying, then accuse me of gaslighting? What am I gaslighting you about? Please go back to the source of this conversation and understand that your original post is unproductive and hurtful and why transpeople don't feel welcome here. You're pushing me out of the thread now. I am allowed to speak on this matter without being pushed out by you.
You say you want to end this tangent so that you won't create a distraction but you're highlighting a very real and important problem we've been talking about for threads upon threads here, and it should be discussed.