I just love that after so many runs, the Hydra gets a name, and it shows it on the vanquished screen
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Just had a run with the Fists that wasnt OP, in fact it was actually not super great at all, but the power combination amused me. I got the Poseidon boon on my Special, which already had Magnetic Cutter on it, so I ended up playing stunlock Yo-Yo with every enemy by drawing them in then knocking them away ad nauseam. It was really dumb but kinda hilarious.
Finished the main quest, I'm wondering something..
I hope I'm wrong.
Wow, the whole thing feels very underwhelming. It's great Persphone is back, but all the epic stuff hinted at like a war with Olympus and Demeter pretty much seems thrown out for now. No new enemies, Olympus god bosses, or anything interesting. Same old zones, same enemies, bosses and you even fight Hades again. Very disappointing. Been a long time since I got my 4th weapon aspect too (Guan Yu), no new one since. Game is getting very repetitive now
I hope I'm wrong.
At a certain point, nectar is no longer a problem because you can trade 5 keys for a nectar. (And trade 10 gems for a key.)
Adamant Rail is busted with the right upgrades. Bow has a few solid boon lines too. I wouldn't worry too much.
I had an amazing crystal beam setup going all through my run and then I fucked it by taking the perk that directs them all back at yourself. I didn't understand from the description what it did so I thought what the hades I'll give it a go. Completely ballsed up the final fight, didn't know where to put myself!
That's satisfying! That duo boon makes all the difference. Since Hades is so mobile most of the time I find it tough to keep the default crystals on him. I had the Dem+Aph duo boon instead once but that's way more awkward to use.
Yeah I don't like it much either. I think in theory it could be great to drop in front of him then use as you back-attack but I found he was just too mobile and my positioning wasn't good enough.
...How many hours did you put in before hitting credits? You say "main quest" like you expected way more content, but it's not a 100+ hour long RPG. You cleared it a bunch of times and hit credits, and while there's definitely some surprises post-game (much more than I expected), you finished it and experienced most of what's on offer. You beat it.
I can understand expecting some more variety or a more epic conclusion or whatever, but it sounds like you wanted two games in one. Or something that's drastically beyond the scope of what is already a pretty ambitious rougelite with a lot of replayability, one that you already spent so much time in.
I modeled my run after this video I found: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWHNkkR0sHY.
Essential for this run was the Dashing Flight hammer upgrade, Zeus on Special, Poseidon on Dash, then exploit Zeus+Poseidon duos. Then you just spam Dash+Special over and over again and watch everything get nuked.
I have no problem being left wanting more, but when you tease this much and set the stakes that high, you have to deliver. Just a really weak way to end a fantastic experience, and throw that great foreshadowing out the window. The game deserved far better, a proper final arc.
Took me around 38 hours btw!
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I've gotten to the point where I consistently get to hades every run and have died to him like four times in a row now. Suuuuucks.
On paper I thought the following should've been a blast
The gun with...
- Deflect and by the end plus 100% damage (this number sounded way better in my head, I am very easily tricked by percentage)
- each shot pings a rebound to other enemies nearby
- Weak inflicting grenade
- Charm call
- Artemis support fire for every shot
- Laser beam cast
- Crit boost
And a few other tidibits like frost dash and other weak based boons
You like hearing about dope builds? well friends let me tell you about TRASH builds
Instead I actually got my least favourite run of the entire game, when I hit Elysium it became abundantly clear that my DPS was absolute piss, I was kinda shocked, in my desperation I was pushing every bit of boost to that base attack despite the diminishing returns.
You'd think that the sheer amount of ranged devastation and support fire from technically three other sources would be like a roaming fortress of giddy projectile vomit.
I even got an upgrade that was supposed to increase armour damage and pierce on the standard attack and boy you could've fooled me.
By the time I was in the styx, every encounter (that wasn't just mini rats) was SO TEDIOUS and long, on top of everything else my entire gambit with the deflect shot fails because aside from the narrow range of each individual shot making it very specific and capable of even missing things flying right in front of you, there's the auto aim snap that means you don't even get the aim of your own decision to say sweep your shot or even target the right direction.
the damage was so sad, that I was glad papa Hades dunked me back to the bottom, it's what I deserve, I can't imagine experiencing a worse build.
My only hope was that the triple spread shot would turn up in a hammer, it did not.
...oh and I briefly got the Aphrodite and Demeter duo boon that makes the laser crystal cast track you, I figured there might be some cool application to this but hahaha, nope, easiest 400 coins back at the blood fountain I've ever made and if there's a worse duo ability I'll be impressed because that's only gonna be good on stationary foes and stationary you
The gun with...
- Deflect and by the end plus 100% damage (this number sounded way better in my head, I am very easily tricked by percentage)
- each shot pings a rebound to other enemies nearby
- Weak inflicting grenade
- Charm call
- Artemis support fire for every shot
- Laser beam cast
- Crit boost
And a few other tidibits like frost dash and other weak based boons
You like hearing about dope builds? well friends let me tell you about TRASH builds
Instead I actually got my least favourite run of the entire game, when I hit Elysium it became abundantly clear that my DPS was absolute piss, I was kinda shocked, in my desperation I was pushing every bit of boost to that base attack despite the diminishing returns.
You'd think that the sheer amount of ranged devastation and support fire from technically three other sources would be like a roaming fortress of giddy projectile vomit.
I even got an upgrade that was supposed to increase armour damage and pierce on the standard attack and boy you could've fooled me.
By the time I was in the styx, every encounter (that wasn't just mini rats) was SO TEDIOUS and long, on top of everything else my entire gambit with the deflect shot fails because aside from the narrow range of each individual shot making it very specific and capable of even missing things flying right in front of you, there's the auto aim snap that means you don't even get the aim of your own decision to say sweep your shot or even target the right direction.
the damage was so sad, that I was glad papa Hades dunked me back to the bottom, it's what I deserve, I can't imagine experiencing a worse build.
My only hope was that the triple spread shot would turn up in a hammer, it did not.
...oh and I briefly got the Aphrodite and Demeter duo boon that makes the laser crystal cast track you, I figured there might be some cool application to this but hahaha, nope, easiest 400 coins back at the blood fountain I've ever made and if there's a worse duo ability I'll be impressed because that's only gonna be good on stationary foes and stationary you
I was so frustrated the first time I died to Hades, I lost to Meg again for the first time since run 13.
I died to him six times in a row before my first clear then won three out of my next four after that. You'll get over the hump.
I have only played in handheld mode but O think it runs fine. It can dip a bit in intense situations but it's always short and isn't bothersome to me at all. Overall i'd say performance in handheld mode is really good.
They didn't tease anything that you were suggesting, having a backdrop and stakes to a story doesn't mean the thing people are worrying about will actually happen in the game. Its unrealistic to expect anything hugely different given the genre, in fact this game already mixes it up a lot more than most with the narrative and dialogue.
Lol I had the same thing before, it was very odd and yeah not particularly powerful. It was the closest I've come to a loss in a while but I still just scraped by Hades.
very minor spoilers
i feel like i get Tisiphone every single time. I'm sick of Tisiphone. i miss meg.
Base gun attack does like 5 damage per shot. You don't really go for %s on it, as you've learned :)
The shield is probably the strongest weapon in the game, until you reach the last boss and it suddenly becomes trash.
There's just no way to keep an attack up with that thing without getting your face beat in.
There's just no way to keep an attack up with that thing without getting your face beat in.
I can't beat Meg the second time and I feel like I'm doin something wrong.
Is there a good starter build?
Is there a good starter build?
If you have beaten it already you can just swap weapons and bet Meg for some easy blood?
There's so little to work with both when you are starting + how much you'll probably have in the first area, you should work on your understanding of her pattern, to hit her more while getting hit less.
Anything with deflect is generally quite good against her, so go for Athena boons. Or just equip the Athena keepsake to guarantee yourself an Athena boon.
Then just try and deflect as many of Meg's shots as you can for huge chunk damage.
Yeah, here's the thing with Rail - it really doesn't do well with percentages. You want flat damage, which means Zeus, usually. Honestly, just having Zeus instead of Athena on attack would have probably changed this build from awful to great. My last run was my best yet, using Eris rail, Zeus on attack and special (with the Jolted curse), support fire, and 3% crit chance on everything. I don't think the best DPS I've gotten (what made it my best run yet had more to do with mobility upgrades), but it was pretty solid.
Indeed for the rail, even lucifer Zeus is best for attack.
That said, in EA artemis was busted for a long time. Was just the clear best God regardless of weapon. It was pretty cray.
Well, I guess I did say I am too easily swayed by the shiny percentage number.
So that's more of a thing for weapons that have a good base hit then? not that I'm actually all that sure on the numbers or anything, i've yet to look to deeply into it.
Anyway that's very useful to know
Finally got my first clear on run...32, I think? I was beginning to think I'd have to resort to God Mode.
The shield with Zeus' aspect was broken AF when adding in lightning on special. You can throw it just so that it stays on top of an enemy, continuously draining their life. I managed to park the shield on Theseus and take off half his life that way. Adding in knockback dash, lightning on knockback and jolted made everything pretty absurd.
Jumping right back into it, I've got a build I'm pretty excited about. Sword with a Daedalus upgrade that makes the special have a wider shockwave, and a super powered doom on special (level 4, plus the boon that increases doom damage after a delay). I pop special once, hit every enemy around with a fairly powerful shockwave, then a couple ticks later every enemy takes 300 (!) damage.
The shield with Zeus' aspect was broken AF when adding in lightning on special. You can throw it just so that it stays on top of an enemy, continuously draining their life. I managed to park the shield on Theseus and take off half his life that way. Adding in knockback dash, lightning on knockback and jolted made everything pretty absurd.
Jumping right back into it, I've got a build I'm pretty excited about. Sword with a Daedalus upgrade that makes the special have a wider shockwave, and a super powered doom on special (level 4, plus the boon that increases doom damage after a delay). I pop special once, hit every enemy around with a fairly powerful shockwave, then a couple ticks later every enemy takes 300 (!) damage.
I beat it twice with 2 different weapons then did heat 0 and 1 on all the weapons so the only titan's blood bounties I have left are beating Hades but I can't do it. Feels bad
I don't know what game you were playing lol... A very sastifiyng end game is really important for a game like this, it is sad when a game of this quality can't finish strong. Consistency throughout the entire experience is important to me with video games.
Beat Skelly (from his front) with each of the attacks of your weapon to know its base damage. When you find a boon, multiply that damage by the %.
I can relate lol. The run before the Zeus build I went in with the same idea, and had about the same results as you did. Comes down to numbers, really.
Zeus on attack does around 15 base I think? Obviously upgradeable based on rarity and poms. The Rail's base damage meanwhile is 10, so Zeus is effectively a +150% buff to attack at minimum. But for something like the Sword, it's a +75%, and that's only considering the first hit of the sword combo, which does 20 base damage. For the dash and stab (third hit of combo), which do 30 damage base, it's only a 50% increase. I'm sure there are other calculations at play here (stuff like backstab and Privleged Status likely matter, but that's too much math for me at the moment) but that's kinda the gist of it. Percentages also probably scale better with other buffs, since Zeus' attack is more of an add-on that isn't really affected by anything other than itself and some aspects (another thing that makes it good for Rail is that Aspect of Eris buffs all your damage).
Plus it naturally turns the attack into an AoE of sorts without the hammer for piercing, though it's still stopped by shields.
I typically don't go for rogue-like or rogue-lite games, but this game is absolutely fantastic. The story is amazing and falls decently in line with some of the Greek Mythologies. I think the one thing that makes this game fantastic, is that death is expected and you aren't penalized for dying. The variation of weapons plus the abilities from the different gods really deters any feelings of monotony you would get from running the same floors over and over.
At first, I thought I was doing something wrong because it took a while to get over the final boss hump, but you just keep going and unlocking cool stuff. Bravo to the devs, this game is great and we need some DLC or a Hades 2 that goes in some interesting directions.
Some of the best combos for me personally are crazy Zeus builds, and knockback Poseidon builds. However, I've found that while you may think some of the other god's abilities aren't that great, they are all viable and crazy enough to kill every floor if you build them out correctly. Dionysus in particular is really strong if you get enough of his boons.
I love games like this for my Switch, and I have to say the performance is really good. There have been exactly 3 times where I had some frame drops and it was because the number of enemies and projectiles (mine and the enemies) were covering the screen entirely.
At first, I thought I was doing something wrong because it took a while to get over the final boss hump, but you just keep going and unlocking cool stuff. Bravo to the devs, this game is great and we need some DLC or a Hades 2 that goes in some interesting directions.
Some of the best combos for me personally are crazy Zeus builds, and knockback Poseidon builds. However, I've found that while you may think some of the other god's abilities aren't that great, they are all viable and crazy enough to kill every floor if you build them out correctly. Dionysus in particular is really strong if you get enough of his boons.
I love games like this for my Switch, and I have to say the performance is really good. There have been exactly 3 times where I had some frame drops and it was because the number of enemies and projectiles (mine and the enemies) were covering the screen entirely.
Speaking of the rail with Zeus boons. My 4th clear overall, and the fastest one to date. Zeus's AOE cast effect made some fights incredibly easy. Add in the Artemis call and a 2% chance of inflicting critical hits plus marked status (and some ares buffs on the side as well). Hades, once again, melted like butter. I didn't even used a death defiance during the fight at all (the missing one is because an unfortunate run in with Tistiphone while I was underpowered.
Very fun run overall. Especially since I basically trolled Theseus during his fight, evading all his attacks while letting the lighting do all the work.
Very fun run overall. Especially since I basically trolled Theseus during his fight, evading all his attacks while letting the lighting do all the work.
Ok what is going on with this game where my weapons just dissapears halfway through a encounter and they don't come back unless I run around for a few seconds. Only for them to vanish again.
Is this a bug? Playing on switch
Is this a bug? Playing on switch
Once I managed to get my first final boss kill, the rest seemed to follow pretty quickly afterward. Beaten it 9 times now and at least once with each weapon. Upgraded mirror and keepsakes help a bunch.
To anyone struggling, the key is to just keep attempting escapes as you're always making meaningful overall progress and gaining familiarity with all the different boons, interactions, upgrades, etc.
I haven't been this invested in a roguelike since Binding of Isaac and I'm loving every second of it. Sure this doesn't have as many possible item combinations as BoI but it feels so good to control and the story and gameplay loop are next level for this type of game - endlessly replayable! I picked this up a few days after v1.0 launch on a whim, and now this might be my GOTY.. funny how that works.
To anyone struggling, the key is to just keep attempting escapes as you're always making meaningful overall progress and gaining familiarity with all the different boons, interactions, upgrades, etc.
I haven't been this invested in a roguelike since Binding of Isaac and I'm loving every second of it. Sure this doesn't have as many possible item combinations as BoI but it feels so good to control and the story and gameplay loop are next level for this type of game - endlessly replayable! I picked this up a few days after v1.0 launch on a whim, and now this might be my GOTY.. funny how that works.
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This.
I have a feeling it's a debuff, but I have no idea what causes it. I've had it in the 4th boss fight too.