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Gustavo Petro wins the Colombian election, becoming the country’s first Leftist president. (The New York Times)
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Does he have a rational with supporting of Putin?
Colombia had been committed to supporting Ukraine Defensively, hopefully that continues
Oh, and maybe he should get some labor regulation tips from Kim Jong-un.
#Smart #It Ain't Fascism if it's Red
Mi novia was back in Colombia for a family matter and made the ride up to Bogota to be able to vote for Petro, so she's super relieved. Those of you with the "I guess they want to be Venezuela" takes should be aware of just how awful Hernández's positions were, the world ill needs more Trumps or Bolsonaros.
Like, I'm doubtful that Petro's going to be able to turn much of the country around just due to the sheer amount of entrenched corruption, but he's a fair sight better than the alternative. She doesn't even consider Petro to be all that much of a "leftist" - which just shows how utterly fucking useless those terms when trying to describe another country's politics.
Like, I'm doubtful that Petro's going to be able to turn much of the country around just due to the sheer amount of entrenched corruption, but he's a fair sight better than the alternative. She doesn't even consider Petro to be all that much of a "leftist" - which just shows how utterly fucking useless those terms when trying to describe another country's politics.
Petro is…not great. I don't think the fact that he calls himself a "leftist" is nearly enough to be celebrating this man's ascendency.
That being said, he's better than the other options that were running. I hope for the best for the people of Colombia.
That being said, he's better than the other options that were running. I hope for the best for the people of Colombia.
That's great, congrats to Colombia. Can't wait until we finally kick Bolsonaro and elect Lula here in Brazil.
What a terrible take. Bolivia has improved a lot under the left-wing government, unlike Venezuela.
What a terrible take. Bolivia has improved a lot under the left-wing government, unlike Venezuela.
Váyanse a la mierda, Duque y Petro. And all those right-wing fuckers. That includes Hernández, the racist misogynist Tik Toker.
So glad Petro won. Hope he does a good job and improves Colombia.
So glad Petro won. Hope he does a good job and improves Colombia.
FYI, it is Colombia, not Columbia. As for the second post, SMH.
Seriously, it doesn't make any sense on my mind why would anyone chose and be happy about such an inept becoming the president of the country, the dude didn't even last a year with how bad he was as the capital mayor, I lived how he turned the whole city in a dumpster, "b-but hitler didn't win" well this elections were awful all around, all the coverage and talks of the candidates were yelling each at each-other "-well u r worse. -no u", and at the end the final election was between a corrupt and a murderer and anyone can decide which one I'm referring to as they please, none of the candidates seemed fit in my view.
All I can hope is that he learned how to administrate over the last past years. This is all about his administrative skills and nothing about his political views or leans.
Looking at the Wikipedia article, I believe you're referring to Eduardo Umaña.
If you are suggesting that he was killed by the M-19, I believe you might want to dig into the subject more closely.
Colombia: The human rights movement under siege
This document describes AI’s concern about attacks on human rights defenders in Colombia, giving details of a number of cases. The majority of attacks have been attributed to paramilitary groups operating under the command of the armed forces. The violations take place in a context of...
www.amnesty.org
There's more information about the lawyer himself and his work in the Spanish language article on him:
Eduardo Umaña Mendoza - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre
Not sure how you reached that conclusion about my post "whitewashing" history. That whole event was a bloody mess for many reasons, including both the M-19's assault as well as the Colombian military's reaction (and everything the Colombian administration of the time did or did not do while it was going on).
Nobody is claiming that the M-19 was innocent or made up of angels. That said, almost everyone from the M-19 who went into that building and directly took part in the attack was killed, some of them during the incident itself and others were forcefully disappeared afterward (which, precisely, was one of the cases that the lawyer you've mentioned was working on).
I can agree that pardons resulting from a negotiated peace agreement can lead to impunity. That's a tough pill to swallow and it's valid to debate whether this should be the case in a modern human rights context, but that is for each country's society to decide.
Castaño never claimed to be acting alone. Btw, three political candidates, all of them either left-wing or at least left-leaning, were murdered during that campaign.
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These threads always devolve into "let me tell you about your country"
Anyway Latinamerican Union when.
Anyway Latinamerican Union when.
Being honest, I don't think that will ever happen. With how corrupt and short-sighted our politicians are, an 'European Union' in Latin America is impossible.
No, and I need to correct that. Ended up mixing one with the other.
One simple point: Those people wouldn't have died that day if the M-19 hadn't taken the Palace.
Colombia: The human rights movement under siege
This document describes AI’s concern about attacks on human rights defenders in Colombia, giving details of a number of cases. The majority of attacks have been attributed to paramilitary groups operating under the command of the armed forces. The violations take place in a context of...
Not sure how you reached that conclusion about my "whitewashing" history. That whole event was a bloody mess for many reasons, including both the M-19's assault as well as the Colombian military's reaction.
Nobody is claiming that the M-19 was innocent or made up of angels. That said, almost everyone from the M-19 who went into that building and directly took part in the attack was killed, some of them during the incident itself and others were forcefully disappeared afterward (which, precisely, was one of the cases that the lawyer you've mentioned was working on).
And no, they aren't innocent. Yet they got their pardon and their acts swept under the rug.
Ah, I haven't checked the details. I'll need to take a look.
Yeah... it's a disgrace that when one of us post something about US politics here, is shamed with incompetence and often make you "learn" about US before share a thought. But the reverse?... pfff
Reading here the comments about Colombian history or Colombian politics as is something trivial it's just so disheartening. So much for a self-declared "leftist" forum... xD...
Reading here the comments about Colombian history or Colombian politics as is something trivial it's just so disheartening. So much for a self-declared "leftist" forum... xD...
He isn't a good administrator, but yeah, hopefully he has learned or at least is willing to listen to people who are better at such matters than him.
Always love reading latin American political threads on Era. As in love gouging my eyes out.
Don't know much about either candidate, but some of the things out of Hernandez was disturbing to say the least. Hope for the best, I'll keep an eye out for Petro just for his story with M-19.
Also, going 'leftist = Venezuela' is Republican speak. I'd like y'all to shut the fuck up with that.
Don't know much about either candidate, but some of the things out of Hernandez was disturbing to say the least. Hope for the best, I'll keep an eye out for Petro just for his story with M-19.
Also, going 'leftist = Venezuela' is Republican speak. I'd like y'all to shut the fuck up with that.
Yeah this forum has an awful habit of turning every thread about Latin America into jokes about why something is good/bad for the US and seemingly forgetting that people actually live in these countries and are directly affected by the things they joke about.
User warned: sniping at other members
Well too bad, I was really hoping this would be the leftist you'd like. Maybe next time 😂
My family (all old people) is devastated. I don't know what to think because this has never happened before. And I/we fled Colombia in '92 and our lives and safety were ruined by rebels such as Petro, so my family has zero sympathy for radical rebels and thinks this will further legitimize their creep into the government. But I agree with Petro's policies. But leftist presidents in Latin America tend to suck shit. Not sure what to think but at least the Bolsonaro clone is defeated.
The guy who lost was a real estate mogul who praised Hitler
I don't know much about Colombian politics, but I was in Medellin last week and took a Communa 13 tour. My tour guide grew up in that neighborhood and was rooting for this guy to win (she was in her early 20s and the vibe she was giving off reminded me a lot of that surrounding Obama in 2009), so I'm glad that she got her wish.
Funny to see so much "leftists suck on latin America" here when brazil track record with the right is absolutely awful
South American union more likely
Probably impossible with US existing as superpower
South American union more likely
Francia Márquez — a former housekeeper and activist — is Colombia’s first Black vice president. (Published 2022)
Ms. Márquez’s biting analysis of social disparities cracked open a discussion about race and class in a manner rarely heard in the country’s powerful political circles.
For the first time in Colombia's history, a Black woman is close to the top of the executive branch.
Francia Márquez, an environmental activist from the mountainous department of Cauca in southwestern Colombia, has become a national phenomenon, mobilizing decades of voter frustration, and becoming the country's first Black vice president on Sunday, as the running mate to Gustavo Petro.
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The rise of Ms. Márquez is significant not only because she is Black in a nation where Afro-Colombians are regularly subject to racism and must contend with structural barriers, but because she comes from poverty in a country where economic class so often defines a person's place in society. Most recent former presidents were educated abroad and are connected to the country's powerful families and kingmakers.
Despite economic gains in recent decades, Colombia remains starkly unequal, a trend that has worsened during the pandemic, with Black, Indigenous and rural communities falling the farthest behind. Forty percent of the country lives in poverty.
Ms. Márquez, 40, chose to run for office, she said, "because our governments have turned their backs on the people, and on justice and on peace."
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To a segment of Colombians who are clamoring for change and for more diverse representation, Ms. Márquez is their champion. The question is whether the rest of the country is ready for her.
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Her more extreme opponents have taken direct aim at her with racist tropes, and criticize her class and political legitimacy.
But on the campaign trail, Ms. Márquez's persistent, frank and biting analysis of the social disparities in Colombia cracked open a discussion about race and class in a manner rarely heard in the country's most public and powerful political circles.
Those themes, "many in our society deny them, or treat them as minor," said Santiago Arboleda, a professor of Afro-Andean history at Simón Bolívar Andean University. "Today, they're on the front page."
It's a complicated issue, but basically the right being awful doesn't mean the left can't also be awful.
With that said I'm glad Petro won and I hope Colombia finds a way to equalize peacefully.
Wish that same consideration happened when many non-Venezuelans had positive thoughts about Maduro, compared to Venezuelans of ERA
Hope Colombia will prosper.
I will have to admit to not knowing much about Colombian politics, so this thread is also giving me some stuff to read.
I will have to admit to not knowing much about Colombian politics, so this thread is also giving me some stuff to read.
If only.
Anyways, my wife is Colombian and she and her family are split on this. Undoubtedly the country needed change, and I'd argue this election was much more a "rechazo" of the previous status quo than an approval of the new, but Petro is anything but a perfect candidate, as others have already pointed out. As a Venezuelan I gotta give a side eye to anyone that is in any way even mildly complementary of the Chavez/Maduro governments, but the other guy was a Hitler fan so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Read the whole thread, do your research, listen to Colombian voices, and form your own conclusion.
Francia Márquez — a former housekeeper and activist — is Colombia’s first Black vice president. (Published 2022)
Ms. Márquez’s biting analysis of social disparities cracked open a discussion about race and class in a manner rarely heard in the country’s powerful political circles.www.nytimes.com
For the first time in Colombia's history, a Black woman is close to the top of the executive branch.Francia Márquez, an environmental activist from the mountainous department of Cauca in southwestern Colombia, has become a national phenomenon, mobilizing decades of voter frustration, and becoming the country's first Black vice president on Sunday, as the running mate to Gustavo Petro.-------------------The rise of Ms. Márquez is significant not only because she is Black in a nation where Afro-Colombians are regularly subject to racism and must contend with structural barriers, but because she comes from poverty in a country where economic class so often defines a person's place in society. Most recent former presidents were educated abroad and are connected to the country's powerful families and kingmakers.Despite economic gains in recent decades, Colombia remains starkly unequal, a trend that has worsened during the pandemic, with Black, Indigenous and rural communities falling the farthest behind. Forty percent of the country lives in poverty.Ms. Márquez, 40, chose to run for office, she said, "because our governments have turned their backs on the people, and on justice and on peace."-------------------To a segment of Colombians who are clamoring for change and for more diverse representation, Ms. Márquez is their champion. The question is whether the rest of the country is ready for her.-------------------Her more extreme opponents have taken direct aim at her with racist tropes, and criticize her class and political legitimacy.But on the campaign trail, Ms. Márquez's persistent, frank and biting analysis of the social disparities in Colombia cracked open a discussion about race and class in a manner rarely heard in the country's most public and powerful political circles.Those themes, "many in our society deny them, or treat them as minor," said Santiago Arboleda, a professor of Afro-Andean history at Simón Bolívar Andean University. "Today, they're on the front page."
Sweet!
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fuck off, fascist fuck.
His plans sound quite leftist or as he describes more social democratic, so air quotes not needed. This is just from a basic search as a non-Colombian.
- against neoliberalism
- green energy
- remove subsidies on hydrocarbons
- payment of royalties from oil and gas companies no longer can be deducted from their income tax
- freeze new oil and gas projects aka end new oil exploration
- move from economy of extraction to production (agricultural, tourism, industry). Narco-trafficking took over countryside once agricultural industries declined.
- agrarian women-fronted reform
- new public health policy on drug consumption
- re-evaluate USA free trade agreement and failure of war on drugs
- weaken Colombian criminal organisations' political power
- taxing the wealthiest people and companies to fund for education: tax on presumptive income from money hoarded in tax havens, tax on dividends, taxes on large fertile agricultural estates that are not productive
- free university education
- provide more security to environmental campaigners and Colombia is most dangerous in the world for activists
- campaigning for social, environmental justice and inclusivity
- appointing environmental activist and housekeeper Francia Marquez as VP, first black woman in the role
We had and HYPER overton window shift here in Latin America so yes....we need to chose between leftist that are not extreme left OR the son of Hitler. There is no option here for now. I don't agree with many of the politcs of Lula and yet I will vote for him because the other option is..............garbage again.
You mean the Bolivia where a democratic socialist government reduced poverty while increasing economic growth? Omg the horror!
Congrats to Colombia, Brazil will join y'all next.
FINALLY URSAL IS COMING!!!