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GRRM (Blog): "Reflections on a Bad Year" - "Still have hundreds of more pages to write" (TWOW)
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Yeah it's just fascinating how it exploded and took own it's own life. I can't imagine a harder scenario to try and finish your series.
Its been almost 10 years since the last book.
I would be shocked if it is ever released.
I do feel bad for people really waiting for it to come out. I am not really mad as its his book and if he doesn't want to do it or is not motivated I don't think its cool to get angry at him over it. The one mistake he makes is he should shut up until he has a release date. These updates give people false hope.
I would be shocked if it is ever released.
I do feel bad for people really waiting for it to come out. I am not really mad as its his book and if he doesn't want to do it or is not motivated I don't think its cool to get angry at him over it. The one mistake he makes is he should shut up until he has a release date. These updates give people false hope.
ASoIaF never being finished will be one of life's tragedies.
3 excellent books between 1996 and 2000.
Then 5 years until we got the underwhelming AFFC (still good, but noticeably weaker in comparison) and then 6 more years after that to get the also underwhelming ADWD.
Then 10 years of fucking nothing except a TV show that fucked everything up and potentially spoiled major plot points.
And that's not even the final book. There's to be (at least... lmao) one more after that. Remember A Dream of Spring?
I love this series so much, so it will always bum me out. I envy those who say "I don't care anymore" because I still care. š
Though, it's a fantasy, because GRRM's will won't allow it, most like, and I kind of suspect Abercrombie wouldn't want to take it either. :(
3 excellent books between 1996 and 2000.
Then 5 years until we got the underwhelming AFFC (still good, but noticeably weaker in comparison) and then 6 more years after that to get the also underwhelming ADWD.
Then 10 years of fucking nothing except a TV show that fucked everything up and potentially spoiled major plot points.
And that's not even the final book. There's to be (at least... lmao) one more after that. Remember A Dream of Spring?
I love this series so much, so it will always bum me out. I envy those who say "I don't care anymore" because I still care. š
Ouch, I thought I had it rough as a "started in 2000" reader.
Yes please. I'll fucking take it, happily. If anyone could pull it off, it's Abercrombie.
Though, it's a fantasy, because GRRM's will won't allow it, most like, and I kind of suspect Abercrombie wouldn't want to take it either. :(
oh well, i've moved on from actually actively anticipating this in any way. so if it comes, it comes and that's great and I'll read it day 1.
if it doesn't though, not going to get up in arms over it
if it doesn't though, not going to get up in arms over it
Does he even do Wild Cards editing anymore? That seems like a pet project for the contributing authors that's cool in theory but appeals to like 2,000 people
Yup, he's been on the record saying the series dies with him.
Jordan is an apt comparison. Both of them tended to add more and more elements to their worlds (characters, storylines, settings, etc) when they should have been making things more focused on an ending. The problem is that both Jordan and GRRM have a reputation of ignoring editors who give them advice like that and doing whatever they want. At some point the massive success of their series gave them too much control, and neither had the discipline to use it effectively.
It does appear like writing the last 2 books became a prison for him, specially after the tv show ending. People are looking to the books to "fix" the tv show, and the desesperation gets worse as people think GRRM wont be able to finish.
It gets worse still for him when there are so many better things to do, so many new projects for him to work on.
I get it and I do feel for him. As long as he officializes somewhere what happens to the characters, it will come out eventually. I say he should enjoy his success with what he wants to do.
It gets worse still for him when there are so many better things to do, so many new projects for him to work on.
I get it and I do feel for him. As long as he officializes somewhere what happens to the characters, it will come out eventually. I say he should enjoy his success with what he wants to do.
This.
I don't think he can wrap it up. Especially after what we saw from the TV series, there's no way it's going to be satisfying and I think he realizes that.
I know he doesn't owe us anything, but it's funny to call people on the internet assholes when HE HIMSELF said, and I quote:
GRRM said:
I get being disappointed but I don't get being angry. If he wants to retire tomorrow, alright. This ain't Kickstarter, you didn't put forth a down payment for his creations. If your eternal enmity is the price he has to pay to lounge around with his millions for the rest of his life, well, I'm sure he wouldn't mind that much.
He's got some weird persecution complex stuff going on, though. He sounds like a 20-something author that was suddenly thrust into the spotlight, buckling under the pressure. Strange.
He's got some weird persecution complex stuff going on, though. He sounds like a 20-something author that was suddenly thrust into the spotlight, buckling under the pressure. Strange.
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I still care dammit! I actually spend the weekend re-reading Dunk & Egg.
However, I disagree that AFFC/ADWD were underwhelming. Honestly, some of the best writing are in those novels. But, I only ever read the versions now where they are combined together.
Makes sense. There's no way you write books that horny without some serious frustration.We all know where grrm has really been on his spare time...
I still care and this thread is like being kicked in the stomach.
I wish I could go back in time and prevent the show from ever having existed. Not only did it tank in a severe way, the spotlight provided by it led to all these opportunities on his plate. Which then all became more important.
Never would have guessed that the show would be such a hard lose all around.
I wish I could go back in time and prevent the show from ever having existed. Not only did it tank in a severe way, the spotlight provided by it led to all these opportunities on his plate. Which then all became more important.
Never would have guessed that the show would be such a hard lose all around.
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Double ditto, it's got to the stage where I just laugh now.
This so much. His "woe is me, the Internet is being mean" schtick is really old. Yeah, there are a bunch of jerks on twitter, but these sorts of statements don't do him any favors, especially when it's clear that he's nowhere close to being finished and couldn't have been when he said that.
And it's a pretty good summary all things considered, it may not be perfect but at least it spared us two seasons of Tyrion asking where whores go.š¤
Eh, he actually does owe the readers an ending (not legally but definitely morally), I really don't like the stupid Gaiman rant. When a writer starts a series of books there's an implicit promise the story will be finished, if there wasn't no one would buy the book. The fans made the book series a success which led to it becoming the HBO series which made GRRM rich and famous and he has been stringing along the book readers for a decade now.
If he won't finish he should say so, that would be an ending too, not narratively but of the charade that he's working hard on it which he clearly isn't.
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This is basically 100% how I feel except for the last part. I genuinely do not care anymore, there's zero reasons for me to, I've had more fun with recently released books then I had with AFFC and ADWD. Probably the only author that made me lose interest faster than GRRM was Rothfuss after TWMF was bad and after he said Doors of Stone wouldn't include everything he set up and would be shorter than TWMF. He's never gonna finish Doors of Stone anyway.
Abercrombie is keeping me going for now with grimdark fantasy.
I can't be mad at the man, I'm on an internet forum instead of working right now. But it also hasn't been 10 years.
As an aspiring writer who hasn't put pen to paper in several months, I can sympathize.
That said, it's a shame we'll never see the end of the series.
That said, it's a shame we'll never see the end of the series.
Can't respect the art if you can't respect the artist's creative process. I'm in support of him writing the book at whatever glacial pace he chooses. It's his book at the end of the day, not ours.
He must have wrote himself into a corner and can't figure it out.
It's out when it's out, stay healthy and enjoy life george.
It's out when it's out, stay healthy and enjoy life george.
Lol I did that when I started the series around 2009. Worked out great for ADWD, in the long run I was still screwed
While I've admittedly not followed it that closely, I've got the impression Wheel of Time readers seemed rather okay with exactly that?
He edited one that came out last year and wrote another that has a release date this summer. I believe he's also doing some production stuff / script writing for the TV/streaming series about it, but I could be wrong about that.
Hope not, because the ending has potential. Just not at all in the way the show did it. All those characters and storylines from the books could come together, and it could be 100x better. Even if the cliff notes version is more or less the same.
Bran is hardly even a show character, and a pretty bad one when he is around. In the book he is way more interesting and very likely one third of a very important prophecy. It would be entirely different than the D&D abomination.
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All these authors not finishing their series by taking forever on the last few books and well... I just don't really care any more. I'm not reading this. I'll probably read Rothfuss' book whenever that comes out (if it does) since it's just one more book to end the trilogy. But to read this book and then know there still has to be one more that will never come out after it? I don't care enough.
Still holding out hope that he's doing TWoW and ADoS at the same time...
But seriously, he still has hundreds of pages to go and he's not sure it will be released this year? That basically kills any hope of this coming out this year. I seriously question what he's been doing for 10 years. Large chunks of this had to have been thrown out or re-written. I get writing this monster book and bringing all these storylines together is a daunting task but dude.. it's been 10 years of "i've been writing like crazy" style updates. No you haven't. Stop blowing smoke up our ass. I appreciate Rothfuss just going dark on his book more and more.
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But seriously, he still has hundreds of pages to go and he's not sure it will be released this year? That basically kills any hope of this coming out this year. I seriously question what he's been doing for 10 years. Large chunks of this had to have been thrown out or re-written. I get writing this monster book and bringing all these storylines together is a daunting task but dude.. it's been 10 years of "i've been writing like crazy" style updates. No you haven't. Stop blowing smoke up our ass. I appreciate Rothfuss just going dark on his book more and more.
Lol, I hate to break it to you, but Rothfuss admitted that the "trilogy" framing device was never the whole plan. It was just a gateway into the world he built and it wouldn't have even resolved everything.
