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Honestly, I think firing squad is the only way to go here.
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Greg Miller and Andrea Rene handwave Notch and PewDiePie racist, transphobic and anti-semitic behaviour (UP: GM and AR respond; see threadmarks)
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I was talking about them speaking on the matter on KFGD, not the BL3 thing. I only brought up BL3 to ask if they're even having KFGD today as a result of it, or if that event isn't happening until after KFGD.
I'm Arab-American as well and have been listening to Greg Miller's voice for close to 10 years now and I have never felt that Greg Miller was anything but a genuinely kind and caring individual. I listened to this same episode above and felt a similar disappointment to OP but I don't think either Greg's or Andrea's comments came from agreeing with PDP's and Notch's transgressions. I'm disappointed because both Greg and Andrea seemingly put their listener's, fan's, and "best friend's" feelings aside to stay PC.
I don't need Greg to publicly state that PDP and Notch are racist assholes because I understand that isn't what he does but I am sorely upset that he defended both of them.
I don't need Greg to publicly state that PDP and Notch are racist assholes because I understand that isn't what he does but I am sorely upset that he defended both of them.
Oh, sorry. Misunderstood what you said. Thought you were talking about the pre-"show" they are doing right now.
Well
Every other winner of that award is/was a piece of shit, so
Nah, you're fine, I could have worded it better. I've been kind of checked out on KF for the past few weeks due to work, so I wasn't sure what their schedule today was.
What punishment is this thread delivering?
I just see a thread of angry people voicing their frustrations at a pretty bad round of statements from two people whose entire job is to be informed and also depend on those viewers/listeners.
He doesn't care, He defended Colin till it basically started affecting his income than dropped him but he never took him to task. I wish he would come to the realization but I don't think he will.
I don't think Greg is a bad guy but I just think that he's done this same type of thing for years now starting back with Colin and this is just par for the course now.
he's not on the show today because he's in LA hosting the borderlands event. today's KFGD hosts are Tim and Whitta. and will go live following the BL3 post show. Can't remember if Greg will be back tomorrow or if it's not till Friday.
Woah I'm shocked that the guy who worked with Colin "I'm a huge libertarian man child" Moriarty would do this.
Shocked.
Where is my fainting couch?
Shocked.
Where is my fainting couch?
It's quite shocking. I've never been a big fan of both anyway.
Already I couldn't stand Greg on IGN. Not that he is not funny, not my style of humor. Nothing against him.
Howevet Andrea I find her unethical. I wasn't the only one thinking that when she was often on Weekend Confirmed. She kept - inexplicably - pushing and praising Kinect. That was bizarre and suspicious. So I was never a fan.
Already I couldn't stand Greg on IGN. Not that he is not funny, not my style of humor. Nothing against him.
Howevet Andrea I find her unethical. I wasn't the only one thinking that when she was often on Weekend Confirmed. She kept - inexplicably - pushing and praising Kinect. That was bizarre and suspicious. So I was never a fan.
Good on Greg for responding, even if it didn't totally clear everyone's conscious. No one is perfect, like he said. Having listened to Greg for years, I know without a doubt that he's a good dude. He does not condone hate of any kind. Despite what people got from that episode.
If anything, it feels like he was walking on egg-shells with Andrea in the episode. He was trying to stand his ground, but at the same time, he didn't want to start attacking his friend. I think he should have taken a stand. But I guess I understand why he didn't want to start that fight live on the air.
If anything, it feels like he was walking on egg-shells with Andrea in the episode. He was trying to stand his ground, but at the same time, he didn't want to start attacking his friend. I think he should have taken a stand. But I guess I understand why he didn't want to start that fight live on the air.
She isn't ignorant. She called the stuff he says wacky, she follows him on the very platform in which he posts that stuff, she can list off fact about his personal life. You'd have to be the most credulous person ever to think after that that she miraculously managed to not see a single thing that guy has said while doing enough research on him to be able to talk about his personal life off the cusp. Like come on.
You have to be ignorant or arguing in bad faith to defend Notch. Notch is a shit head and shit head's shouldn't be celebrated. If Notch had stayed on Minecraft that game would've died years ago.
Also fuck PDP that guy is straight up an alt-right Youtuber now. The only people I know personally that watch him are the same ones who watch Joe Rogan and talk way too much about Ben Shapiro.
So yeah, kind of disappointed to see KFG handwave them when their influence (esp PDP) is probably the one of the biggest concerns in gaming culture right now.
Also fuck PDP that guy is straight up an alt-right Youtuber now. The only people I know personally that watch him are the same ones who watch Joe Rogan and talk way too much about Ben Shapiro.
So yeah, kind of disappointed to see KFG handwave them when their influence (esp PDP) is probably the one of the biggest concerns in gaming culture right now.
User Banned (1 Week): Dismissing concerns surrounding intolerant rhetoric and antagonizing other members across multiple posts
26 pages later lol. Not many threads make it that far. People just love a dog-pile. I've seen it many times on ERA. Most of it isn't even constructive. Mostly amounts to calling them scumbags, nazis, send 'em to the firing squad, etc. It gets pretty damn embarrassing sometimes.
gameovergreggy please give this a read https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/kyle-korver-utah-jazz-nba
Again, I don't think that's a reasonable argument that proves beyond doubt that she was indeed fully aware of the worst things he posted. Following him on twitter doesn't mean she read his entire feed, her having read a headline that said he's a conspiracy theorist and not having read into it is a perfectly reasonable assumption. Again, not an excuse, but that's the assumption I'm choosing to make. If she was fully aware of everything he said and calls it wacky, I agree it's unforgivable. If she was ignorant of it, her handwaving is bad and should be apologized for, and lessons should be learned from it, but it would at least show that she's not a terrible person who legitimately thinks notch's worst tweets are only "wacky".
And to be clear, your assumption that she did know isn't unreasonable either. We just don't actually know the truth. And everything else I know about Andrea makes me feel like it's quite likely she was thoroughly misinformed and reacted in accordance to the little she knew.
Congratulations on picking a few random posts, some of them obvious troll posts, and claiming that all 1000+ posts in this thread are representative of that.
Typically, these convos involve various opinions, but many of you tend to ignore that and start up with the tired ass resetera generalizations and complaints about outrage or mob culture. You had nothing else to contribute other than using this as a chance to generalize and talk shit about the forum that you're also a part of?
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It's embarrassing that people are calling them out for hand waving noted bigots? Huh....
I mean, it's a trend. I've seen our community attack people for dozens of pages for horrible reasons. I'm not saying there's no good content in here. And that they don't deserve criticism - they absolutely do. You just can't tell me that this isn't a dog-pile at this point.
It's obviously more nuanced than that. Especially when you consider Greg's response.
But not specifically of the posts you picked out, considering the firing squad one was an obvious troll who immediately got banned for posting it.
So your post is disingenuous as hell, and only serving to handwave away the criticism of Greg and Andrea for, let me remind you, essentially handwaving away both notch and PDP's repeated and noted racism/sexism/bigotry. If this is your definition of a dogpile then holding anyone to even the slightest of standards is absolutely fucked.
It really isn't, Greg has a history of putting foot in mouth and apologizing for it later because he wants to try and keep the peace with everybody and is afraid to confront them directly at risk of his business. It only took a serious threat to the health of KF as a business for Colin to finally get the boot years after it likely should have happened.
If Greg wants us to believe he's actually sorry he has to show it, not just write apologies after the fact that seem to imply he may not actually understand what he did wrong.
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These two are as dumb as rocks, and I'm incredibly suspicious of anyone that has friends like Colin Moriarty or Andrea Rene after reading that transcript.
Would you care to point out examples of dogpiling? Actual dogpiling, and not just posters agreeing on a thing that you might not agree on.
The only embarrassing thing is you constantly coming into threads about actual issues and posting cowardly shit like this without being banned for threadshitting.
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You can see my post on the issue below. I don't condone the hand-waving. It's a nuanced conversation. I just see this trend of the community attacking people without giving them a chance to breathe way too much. I mean we can go through the thread and find every unwarranted insult, if you want.
How will they survive such a scathing insult
They sure do like to defend them!
How many posts say this
Serious question
I wish you could apply the same logic to this thread, instead of proclaiming that a couple posts out of 1000+ constitutes as a "dogpile"
Exactly 1 post in this thread mentions firing squads, and that member is banned.
This obviously means that all the other 1000+ posts in this thread agree with him.
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I Think Notch is an idiot. Are you saying that if your heterosexual you some how get an easy life? LMAO Are there no straight white homeless people? Or drug addicts? give me a break.
I think the poster was suggesting that as far as sexuality goes, by comparison, heterosexual people have an easy life. Which is entirely accurate.
This is utterly disingenuous. He's saying heterosexuality is the norm and so poses no additional challenge in life. The same cannot be said for other sexualities, hence the celebratory days.
But that is not what he said. I will give you though that we are both inferring meaning from a short statement. So you may be right.
"Lost my job when I came out as straight and turned to drugs to cope" is not a narrative I see anywhere near as often, let's put it that way
This is his job and his passion. I don't think anyone begrudges him making money..I don't. What rubs me wrong is the hypocricy. Always being an "aww shucks we are just here for the best friends" attitude that to me clashes with the near constant push for more money more money more money. The multiple patreons for the same people, how they push and expand the business all while pushing for more money, that he had ZERO issues with Colin until that tweet affected the business, now this. Like I said, I don't think he is a bigot, I think he is concerned about one thing. Making his money and business grow and will only change when those things are affected.
Notch is saying he's proud of being straight in that quote. He changed that to being proud of an easy life. I don't think I missed his mark that far.
"my family disowned me cause I came out as straight"
"i can't find a job cause I like vaginas"
"my boss fired me cause I have a girlfriend"
"i turned to drugs cause society won't accept my heterosexuality"
Sure.
Thanks for posting this. I get so angry when I read threads like this one. Not just at the people being attacked, but at the attackers, too. I was going through a few pages thinking how differently this whole thing would play out if active participation was required to voice an opinion. Like when one doesn't like something about the actions of local government, they can voice their opinions by going to a town hall meeting. The very act of signing up, committing to a time, sitting in the crowd, standing up, speaking your point (if you've taken the time to think it out), and being heard AND seen holds so much more weight to me than people trading blows on a forum. Or liking something. Or canceling something. Or laughably 'blocking' something so you don't have to see something disagreeable.
Forming a thought and voicing it takes real consideration and, most importantly, bravery to show your real face. Be heard in all the anger or frustration or agony of your REAL voice. Hell, i'd be impressed if any of you even made a video blog showing your anger of a thing.
So this article made me smile inside because, in many ways, this was really a representation of many of YOU on this message board...without the full cycle of self reflection that Kyle Korver took the time to meditate upon.
So many of you claim to be on the right side of history with your vilifications of a thing, and your eternal posturing about a person being bad in a case, centrist here, or outright evil there. Many of you refuse to accept that you're likely the same as Kyle was, too. In public, "Down with Racism", but in private, "...ehhh...Maybe but..."
Anyway, i'm just posting this to ask everyone to actually read the article at the link. Digest it. think about it. Then look at yourselves.
It's a fantastic article. Deeply personal.
I am completely over the whole ignorance angle truth be told.
The year is 2019. Gamergate happened. Google is a thing. Do some basic fucking research before spouting shit.
You get absolutely no benefit of the doubt what so ever. A defense that rests on you being an ignorant idiot isn't particularly convincing when it's the go to excuse for almost everyone these days.
The year is 2019. Gamergate happened. Google is a thing. Do some basic fucking research before spouting shit.
You get absolutely no benefit of the doubt what so ever. A defense that rests on you being an ignorant idiot isn't particularly convincing when it's the go to excuse for almost everyone these days.
You have absolutely no idea what the people in this thread, or this forum, do in their own time and writing this post as if everyone in this thread is just hiding behind the veneer of forum posting so they can look "woke" and not have to actually do anything is both insulting and disingenuous.
We're writing this shit here because this is in fact, an avenue for Greg to read something. He himself responded in this thread, we know that this is an avenue to have our voice/opinion heard, even if ultimately he chooses to ignore it.
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