You mean the part where Greg was being sarcastic?
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Greg Miller and Andrea Rene handwave Notch and PewDiePie racist, transphobic and anti-semitic behaviour (UP: GM and AR respond; see threadmarks)
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Yes, because I know this example because I read the OP, many people posted implying that this is not an isolated incident for her and I want to know what other instances they were referring to.
I can't believe his response in the thread is so half-assed and nothing. I mean, I should believe. I remember him doing the same thing about the Colin issue.
Ah, I do stand corrected. I misread that earlier. Thanks. Although, it behooves me to state that my overall position in this matter remains unaltered.
"out of context"
"why you gotta complicate things?"
The absolute best case scenario is Greg went "I know nothing about why Notch is labelled a racist, misogynist nutjob but I'm going to jump in anyway without doing any research!"
As Andrea follows Notch on twitter she can't claim ignorance.
"why you gotta complicate things?"
The absolute best case scenario is Greg went "I know nothing about why Notch is labelled a racist, misogynist nutjob but I'm going to jump in anyway without doing any research!"
As Andrea follows Notch on twitter she can't claim ignorance.
She embarrassed herself with the whole anthem/bioware defense force she went on for weeks, ignoring every valid criticism of the game and calling everyone crybabies who tried to show her how wrong she was. She does this shit all the time, she will stan for corps and "fellow youtubers" until she's blue in the face.
Such wacky stuff. In fairness, I personally continue to believe she could easily be unaware of these examples, but that does not excuse how she came off, and I think handwaving this, intentionally or not, is dangerous and warrants some anger and disappointment."out of context"
"why you gotta complicate things?"
The absolute best case scenario is Greg went "I know nothing about why Notch is labelled a racist, misogynist nutjob but I'm going to jump in anyway without doing any research!"
As Andrea follows Notch on twitter she can't claim ignorance.
To be completely fair, just because you follow someone on Twitter doesn't mean you're going to see everything they tweet. Doesn't excuse her for not doing the research before the show, and I'm not sure how she wouldn't have seen what he's said elsewhere, but my point is that her following him doesn't really mean anything. She follows over a thousand people.
"out of context"
"why you gotta complicate things?"
The absolute best case scenario is Greg went "I know nothing about why Notch is labelled a racist, misogynist nutjob but I'm going to jump in anyway without doing any research!"
As Andrea follows Notch on twitter she can't claim ignorance.
"Polar opposite" as someone who grew up watching Greg, I can absolutely say that is bullshit. While yes, Greg wasn't as adamant about his views as Colin, he did agree with tons of dumb libertarian bullshit Colin would spew over the years.
Like always these people aren't sorry they did something wrong but rather embarrassed that people are calling them out. Greg says sorry now but two weeks from now he'll will say something equally as ignorant and give a half assed apology to forum dwellers.
How come you're always right? :P excellent post as always :)
Thanks for the reply. Was she defending the quality of the game or was this after the report about the disaster that making the game was?
Ehm okay?
I'm sorry my personal experience doesn't match your research?
If it was someone like trump I could understand the idea of following them because they are important but Notch?
What exactly does following him give you other than bigoted bullshit?
Maybe she followed him years ago and just never unfollowed him but the 'follow doesn't mean endorsement' argument doesn't wash with someone like him who isn't part of the industry anymore.
"Notch? He used to make Minecraft! Sure, I'll follow him."
It isn't necessarily any deeper than that. Could be, but we don't know.
If they're only there because of Minecraft content, it seems strange for them to primarily address the non-Minecraft content.
I said "used to" for a reason. It isn't that weird to follow someone because of past work that you're familiar with, even if they aren't doing said work anymore.
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This is my problem with this situation for sure. One wrong step and ResetERA's lynch mob comes out in droves. What they said was stupid, but let the punishment fit the fucking crime.
Way too many people here think they're judge, jury and executioner and it's both pathetic and annoying.
Andrea is absolutely one of the worst people in the gaming industry these days. I roll my eyes into the back of my head every time I see her doing PR for games. Her antics about Anthem was embarrassing, and her staying radio silent on Twitter is no surprise.
Sums her up pretty well.
Sums her up pretty well.
I unsubbed from KF a few days ago after not watching for a few weeks. The continual tight-rope walking of the crew around social issues was always a frustration, and every time Andrea was added into that mix it immediately became a yikes factory. These developments do not surprise me in the slightest.
What's pathetic and annoying is you and others automatically giving them a pass, they don't deserve and they certainly haven't earned it.
Stop saying shes ignorant. Even if we assume for her sake that shes unaware of the very rhetoric hes spewing on the platform she consciously follows him on, you don't know so much about notch that you can talk about his personal life like she has and be left unaware of his notoriety over the past 10 years. And she even says he has said "wacky" stuff online so shes aware of whats hes said. Its ridiculous the lengths people are going to to defend this. Shes not ignorant, she doesn't get that excuse and honestly neither should greg.
Okay, but again, the person we're talking about was saying that he posts wacky stuff and that it was taken out of context. I'd understand that maybe someone might follow him just to see if any Minecraft information comes up - but that's not what happening in this case. She's looking at the other content and not just filtering it out in searching for Minecraft stuff. Why would we look at the act of following them in a vacuum when it isn't happening in a vacuum?
Is the Borderlanda 3 thing interfering with KFGD today, or is it later in the day? I really hope Greg re-addresses this whole thing on the show today, because he needs to. Andrea needs to as well, but I know better than to expect her to admit that she's in the wrong.
I used to follow Ricky Gervais, then I noticed the amount of shit on my feed years after the fact and unfollowed.
Like at some point if you're still following notch after all this time, you like what you get.
What punishment? People criticise them for their stances.
Besides Andrea apparently knows about all of Notchs personal life, stances, why he doesnt write autographs and attends cons, but just says his tweets are whacky.
Sure. QAnon, IQ differences, "heterosexual pride day" etc. are just whacky.
Who else but Notch?
He's Notch, Notch
You never really know what
He's gonna do next
He's Notch, Notch
Giggity-giggity-giggity-giggity, Nazis and Commies are bad!
Glad to see your sole contribution to this thread has been to show your ass. Why even bother if you're just here to finger wag at the people who are angry at *reads notes* dismissing and handwaving away known racists/sexists/bigots.
I dont think people have a problem with Greg in particular, but please understand that a lot of folks are rightfully tired and fed up with influential white people giving a pass to bigots.
Please read this post again, Gregg. There is a good reason people are upset here, and it's not because we're crazy SJWs who can never be appeased. The below post says everything I wanted to, so I'll re-post:
Well I don't blame him for wanting to make money, being a beacon of morality isn't going to pay his bills. He very much knows Notch and Pewdie Pie are scum. He says several times he's bad, he even mentions they covered it in the past.
i remember Greg treating Colin the same way he treated the Andrea bit with Notch.
Giving the person every possible opportunity to walk shit back, multiple openings to do so, and they just keep digging a deeper hole. I mean he kept saying "notch" and "transphobic" in the same sentence multiple times and she just wasn't seeing the rope he was trying to save her with.
The Pewdie Pie shit is inexcusable, I don't even follow anything about him yet I know he leans hard reich Nazi shit
Its seriously absurd people are now going so far to paint the narrative that shes simply ignorant that theyre suggesting shes following him only because of minecraft, when he left the project over 10 years ago and in that time has posted nothing but vile shit, but yeah totally she has no idea about any of this. But somehow she also knows what kinds of public events he likes to do or what his personal preferences are for meeting people.
Na sorry, the above post explains why you have no weight here with these comments.
We NEED to stand up to this 100%, not 60%, not 70%... not with ambiguous messages, or appeals to "be better to each other", but with outright condemnation of bigotry.
If this alienates part of your audience, you still need to do it. There are no excuses here.
I don't think Gregg should lose his platform or anything, but he does need to understand this. If he continues with this way of dealing with it, it helps support the things h claims to be against because he's not clear enough with his message and is letting it lie a little ambiguous so he doesn't fully commit and tell part of this audience that they're absolutely wrong.
It's they don't know how twitter works or something and have the absolute most positive view of anything they do.
"Oh PDP didn't know about the sign, he just scribbled shit at random and it ended up advocating genocide on the sign he wanted these poor people to film themselves"
What the hell are you talking about? All people are doing is expressing disappointment in this thread. As far as I can tell nobody is harassing them over twitter or anything.
What more interesting to me is how any and all criticism of someone for bad behavior is exaggerated and treated like folks going are sending people death threats and the like by certain posters.
The fact you'd equivocate anything in this thread to lynching says so much about you and it's all bad.
Based off the OP alone
Greg's comment come off typical American moderate. Is 100% unaffected, probably has people really close to him affected, knows it bad but doesn't full grasp how bad. Like people die bad.
Andrea: Seems like the type to go 'people calling them racist are the real racist'.
Mistake are my phone autocorrect giving me 'holy shot'. Get real calling what PDP or Notch say/do mistakes.
Greg's comment come off typical American moderate. Is 100% unaffected, probably has people really close to him affected, knows it bad but doesn't full grasp how bad. Like people die bad.
Andrea: Seems like the type to go 'people calling them racist are the real racist'.
Mistake are my phone autocorrect giving me 'holy shot'. Get real calling what PDP or Notch say/do mistakes.
That's fair. If she knows as much about his words as she acts like she does, and just passes them off as whacky, then that's a big problem.
But people i likes on the nets can't be baaaaad! Because then i'm baaaaad!
You know they are not going to say anything about it. They are there as hired staff for Gearbox, they are not going to go off script.
I'm personally skipping the pre- and post-show sections. These people deserve nothing.
Give me a break.
It's not like KF is entitled to viewers.
Resetera is allowed, as a largely mildly center-left community, to discuss as a community whether or not the hosts of a piece of media they consume are no longer matching the things they are looking for. If that means the community deciding that "hey, maybe these people are questionable" it's their right to discuss it and discuss no longer consuming those pieces of media.
I don't think your arguments to say it's impossible are very strong. I do still think she could easily be ignorant of the worst things notch has said, but I don't think it's an excuse. If she wasn't ignorant or doubles down though, it's pretty unforgivable to downplay that stuff. I mean, look at the example tweets posted above.
After reading that response from Trending Gamer Of The Year 2015 Greg Miller, for me it firmly put him in Boogie2988 territory. Hope he comes to the realization of why his response was bad.
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