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Graphic Fidelity I Expect Next Gen.
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My face when people on Era bat for Sony so hard, they think their games look better than Avatar.
it's doable I think, but games have to be designed around it
What in tarnation??? Avatar is still far far far beyond what's possible in realtime.
Hell, even a character like Davy Jones is way better than anything in a realtime video game. And that was 2005!
The UE5 demo was an incredibly limited environment where they could push things as far as possible without any consideration for playability. If you have an open world scene like this:
filled with the same standard of AI established gen, suddenly the UE5 demo becomes impossible. And based on recent trends we aren't moving away from devs pursuing open worlds anytime soon. As quite frankly I can't see linear movie like games from the 360/ps3 era making a comeback anytime soon. Especially as developers prioritize extended playtime.
Bud, come on, this is crazy. Avatar looks far better than any games in almost every way. That's not to say Avatar hasn't aged; it absolutely has, and sometimes looks bad by today's standards. But so much of it is way beyond what we see in realtime game rendering right now.
Dude seriously? Avatars leagues better than anything real time now and for many decades to come.
I'm kind of over the pursuit of realism. Full stop I think Fortnite is one of the most gorgeous games on the market right now. In 4K with HDR that game looks incredible. I'm much more interested these days in interesting overall art direction.
Umm... let's be serious now.
You can like TLOU II as much as you want but come on now, being OP has gone to your head.
IMO, Avatar's skin and hair are worse than the current batch of AAA games. Skin in Avatar, wet or dry, is very plastic-y. The physics of hair is also bad, especially the wet loss strands, usually are just simply stuck to the face/neck. TBH, I was kind surprised how bad it was when I watched the movie first time. Character's facial expressions are also quite stiff. I guess the performance capture technique was not as advanced as what's available for today's AAA game studios.
What in the fuck hahaha, I would have to massively disagree. not that impressive today? what in the fuck. its still the best quality CGI today and to be fair the only movies that will potentially top it will be the sequels. then to furthermore claim that avatar is in some way a reasonable target for this generation of games is beyond insane. Also PBR is not new at all and has been mainstream used in the previous gen (PS4/Xbox one)
The crazy expectations people have for this generation is fucking stupid. at the moment the UE5 engine stuff is the most impressive tech shown to date, but that technology is so immature that I highly doubt we will see anything even remotely like that this generation. Even the last generation the UE4 techdemos where super impressive but then downgraded for consoles. you WILL see the same stuff happen with UE5.
where do you guys pop up from with these insane takes. Drop some examples in this thread, because I would love to know what this AAA performance capture and rendering magic is topping avatar.
It absolutely is different this time so far. That doesn't mean it won't show at some point, but again by this point in every generation up until now we've had those "shadowfall" moments. There isn't a single one of those yet.
reality check post, don't use offline cgi as your next gen fidelity benchmark.
Rift Apart is more impressive in comparison to the previous gen than Shadowfall was to me *shrug*
Avatar is far ahead of any game.
reality check post, don't use offline cgi as your next gen fidelity benchmark.
Rift Apart is more impressive in comparison to the previous gen than Shadowfall was to me *shrug*
+1 why people continue to compare games with offline rendering movie. At least try with cheap children TV show. The IQ is often better but the shading and details are lacking.
Against the pinnacle of realtime.
Be a little serious game will not look like 12 years old top offline rendering movie.
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Devs have gotten very good at pushing cutscene visuals since it's a fixed camera non interactive environment, in game is still far behind something like Avatar though, especially water rendering, Avatar's water looked extremely good.
Making a world more interactive with destructable enviroments is not a feature I would consider as gimmick. Big empty worlds as you find them in the every AAA game these days without anything to in them (no ways to interact with them) are the true gimmicks these days. They are pointless. Empty and boring.
But it is obvious that deves do not like making such things. They were more innovative at the dawn of poloygonal gaming during the 5 and 6th gen era of consoles. today going bigger is the way to game when a game is made. But at the expensive of true interactive elements.
Yes!!
The density of the scenery is incredible. The gap is huge compared to last gen game and it is a first year game. We will see better later.
I was just avoiding material from ratchet because I wanted to play as fresh as possible and as a real pessimist guy About this gen still not impressing me visually I have to say I give a proper wow to this image.
If someone said that is from some CG movie I would easily believed.
This scene really looks fantastic and a real next gen game reveal.
Incredible.
I disagree and my first console is a colecovision with donkey kong.
PS3:
R&C PS4 non promotional screenshot
R&C Rift Apart non promotional screenshot
There is a huge gap again.
And Demon's soul's look like this
And for the future because games will continue to improve a lot
I don't think that person can tell the difference.
Nah during the PS6 gen we will get close but it then it becomes a question of budget and tools .
I wish people would stop telling me about how blown away I'm going to be by this generation, if I just keep waiting.
Yes everbody has to decide individually how big the blown way factor is going to be this gen. The last time I have been blown away was the PS3. have not been blown away by ps4 which has has been a small evolution of ps3. PS5 again will be just small evolution of ps4 tech. We are going to get the same stuff as with the ps4 just a bit more beautiful.
There is nothing wrong with that . The games are going to look decent just the wow factor is missing.
I think we are in a post graphics world.
Most games in general look incredible now. Some games look better than others and occasionally someone is going to do something that blows your mind in terms of animation, lighting, complexity of models, etc. But in general its small differences and most of them look great as long as the performance keeps up.
I think thats great because the focus is on artwork, gameplay, etc.
Postings of off-line cg renders have been a thing the entire thread, unfortunately.
On a separate note I was going to add before the avatar hot take, that early UE5 games will not be like the UE5 demo.
I'm deadass curious as to what game that one poster thinks has better hair, skin, and performance capture than Avatar. Because I would like to play that game.
On top of that, technology that became widespread during the ps3/360 generation, like performance capture, shined much more because of models with a metric fuckton more complexity. Even open world games which got a huge boost in asset quality that put the best of even the most linear high budget games of that generation to shame:
We genuinely got a generation where open world games didn't look significantly worse than incredibly linear games, or in the case of last gen, wide linear games, and that is a huge step up.
It was just as big as a jump between the ps2 and ps3 generation. And it genuinely always reeks of "I haven't actually played a game on that hardware from two generations ago in a long long time" when someone argues otherwise.
The PS4 was not a small evolution of PS3, not even close. Go back and play any open world game on PS3. And then play a next gen only open world game on PS4. Materials and such looked awful on PS3 and there was a time where something as janky looking as Heavy Rain was considered photorealism. Not to mention performance. The majority of AAA games performed sub-optimally, at sub 30fps. Last gen was a big step forward if only because a stable framerate became the norm. Not to mention the widespread adoption of things like PBR which made the games look way way WAY better than they ever did. Suddenly you had games truly capable of being able to at least partially emulate the soft feel that comes with offline renders.
On top of that, technology that became widespread during the ps3/360 generation, like performance capture, shined much more because of models with a metric fuckton more complexity. Even open world games which got a huge boost in asset quality that put the best of even the most linear high budget games of that generation to shame:
We genuinely got a generation where open world games didn't look significantly worse than incredibly linear games, or in the case of last gen, wide linear games, and that is a huge step up.
It was just as big as a jump between the ps2 and ps3 generation. And it genuinely always reeks of "I haven't actually played a game on that hardware from two generations ago in a long long time" when someone argues otherwise.
Open world games are currently more systemic than they've ever been, having been influenced by things seen in the immersive sim games and/or games that have immersive sim elements like far cry. Not every game is like RDR2 in terms of interaction but there's a reason why that game is an outlier rather than the norm. One thing I find about the criticism about a lack of interaction is that "interaction" is always incredibly vague, especially with how it relates to the design of the game itself. Like does interaction mean the amount of attention to detail that a big studio can fit into an open world game? When I think of an open world that isn't very interactive, I think of something like CBP2077, which is so unfinished that the police system is less complex than...well most games that include a police system in anyway.
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honestly, seeing all these obvious improvements during every gen and still seeing people go "I haven't seen a game impress me since the PS3 generation which coincidentally was when I was still a teenager! diminishing returns!" makes me roll my eyes every damn time
There shouldn't be any reasons as to why they won't look like the UE5 demo aside from budget, art and time limitations.
comments like this are why i can't take graphics discussion on here seriously anymore
wat
why are you people like this
Yeah, haha, I had to seriously make sure that I wasn't tripping out when I read the last couple pages. I literally went and popped Avatar into my SX last night, watched it, and sat there thinking, "lol yeah no, there's no damn game in existence that looks like this." Maybe near the end of this generation, but even then that's a MASSIVE stretch.
Like, old tech? Do people here know what other "old CGI" movie that came out in the same year as Avatar? The second Transformers film. Is someone going to realistically say that games look better than that, or even close to it? We're talking about render farms used to create whole films and television here. Hell, the giant Devastator Decepticon from Transformers 2 literally destroyed some of the hardware when ILM was trying to render it.
There is a significant gap here, even with "old CGI".
EDIT: Like this, this is from 2009... And some of you all seriously think that even the best looking games come close?
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OP should be replaced and bans should distributed for people who don't want to have a legit discussion here, but keep pushing their bullshit. It's also embarrassing. Like are you below the age of 12? Lol...
Needs pbr looks dated imo
Just shut up about video games looking like Avatar. Jesuschrist.
Just shut up about video games looking like Avatar. Jesuschrist.
Pssh. Downsampled gifs. 🙄
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Oh, you weren't aware that PBR and GI wasn't a thing until video game developers had PS4 and XB1 dev kits? Amateurs. 🙄