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Graphic Fidelity I Expect Next Gen.
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"Realism is unrealistic" strikes again!
But really its because there's only one light source
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FINALLY good rocks!. I am so tired of rocks and stone in games like assassins creed odyssey looking so fake. This will change that!
I wonder how cel-shaded games will benefit from next gen HW. Tales of Arise already look mighty glorious:
The rocks in Death Stranding were really cool, especially how the character reacted to all the bumps on the ground.
Yes you're banging on about teraflops when almost everyone has told you that the metric doesn't make sense for this gen. Also stop being so fucking rude.
the same way it benefits from physically based rendering. bounce lighting and emissive would do wonders for a game like Tales. same for shadows
Judging by the performance of the path traced Minecraft on the xsx we will likely get similar RT implementations to games like BF5, metro exodus etc
To be fair my expectations usually aren't particularly big going into next gens. This time around the bar is a little higher so I'm able to see that this isn't on par with the best visuals in this thread and it's no avatar. Looks fine for what it is though.
well, going balls to the wall, full path tracing was insane for a console to begin with. a hybridized approach would have always been the best option for a locked box
Not quite cel shading, more if a painterly style, but y would love to see cartoony games like Telltale adventure games look half as good as that short from Dead Love + Robots (since That's the theme of the thread) where farmers fight aliens using mechs.
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not necessarily, if the consoles were designed with RT from the get go crazy ken style.
If a console that's twice as powerful as the XoX in GPU power alone can only achieve RDR2 high settings then this generation is doomed.
Isn't Xbox OneX mostly running lower than low settings? The RDR2 PC release has entirely new lighting and effects.
AC Valhalla is AAA but a cross gen game like AC Black Flag...
It's incredible the lack of imagination we sometimes put in our expectations. Imagine people who said "just expect Last of us at higher res and framerate" before this gen started. And the jump this gen is going to be even bigger from what we are seeing in specs.
Yeah, like, no one is looking at this in 2020 and thinking it was representative of what the PS4 was able to achieve:
that would imply that RDNA2 is very competent at RT. which still remains to be seen. not gonna count Minecraft yet as it's way too early
AC Black Flag doesn't look like a current gen game and AC Valhalla won't look like a next-gen game.
That's what I hope to see at some of these game reveals. Now's the time to start showing off what it can do.
That's still not baseline what we're getting this gen. The GPUs in both consoles are on par with an RTX 2080
you're aiming really low
I don't see how it doesn't. from what we heard about Minecraft, the console runs similarly to the 2080 without DLSS. since we're still in the early days of RT, that's a decent result in my eyes
Exactly We're not going to know what to expect from next gen until Thursday. It'll blow anything else out of the water
BFV doesn't use RT for lighting, only for reflections. Exodus is a better example as well as Control. And yes, I expect most next gen games to move to RT lighting exclusively once we'll get rid of current gen baseline. It will probably be a hybrid solution with light probes being updated by RT and RT used to fix leaks and such but still - it should provide a sizeable upgrade over what's there in its place in current gen. This upgrade should allow for much more world dynamics as well as lighting will become (almost) real time and won't break as much on significant geometry and lighting conditions changes. This will be noticeable to those who are paying attention. The rest will just appreciate the better overall IQ.
What's "full path tracing"? All current RT implementations have some severe limitations in how far the rays are traced. Tweaking these limitations to more or less steps in tracing, removing secondary bounces, scatters and such will still net you a "path traced" frame - which will run on a "weak" RT h/w, just won't look as good.
You are adding additional meaning to words. This is pointless if you cant communicate with the English language.
Im done with this, bye.
The only solid difference between a "hybrid" and "path traced" frame currently is the way the primary rays are being shot.
In "hybrid" renderer they are "shot" with your usual Z-buffer rasterization. Then RT h/w is used for tracing "secondary" rays inside the scene, from light sources and such.
In "path traced" renderer they are shot as rays via RT h/w and then traced further to a (limited) number of bounces.
Which is weird since it was you who were talking about lighting.
I can't imagine that everything we'll see come the Xbox Inside will be cross-gen.
But I think it wouldn't be too shocking if that's the case, because I assume that, while they'll show a lot of their own first party stuff later on, they will probably still have third-party stuff show up.
Isn't the Harry Potter game to be next-gen only (as per rumours/job posts)? I could see it here. Although I don't know, I think WB might actually delay their plans to reveal it.
But I think it wouldn't be too shocking if that's the case, because I assume that, while they'll show a lot of their own first party stuff later on, they will probably still have third-party stuff show up.
Isn't the Harry Potter game to be next-gen only (as per rumours/job posts)? I could see it here. Although I don't know, I think WB might actually delay their plans to reveal it.
Yep, i dont have high hope for a third party\crossgen demonstration tbh.
We have to wait the first only nextgen games to see what these console are capable of.
woah this gen looks amazing .> next gen will look like current games but at XXXXp and XXfps > oh shit this looks amazing
Seriously, this my last answer. Just follow the posts, because you clearly do not understand the discussion we had. It wasnt about how next-gen games look like or if new consoles are powerful, but what is the differences in gpu power within last few generations.
Why dont you quote that then?
Your taking two different posts making different points and trying to lump them together, thats weird.
I don't think we'll quite reach these level of visuals, but we'll probably get fairly close. The geometric density and texture resolution are just to high I think.Realtime
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Yeah it's best to keep your expectations in check for cross-gen games.
I really do hope Microsoft has some suprise next-gen exclusive reveals lined up for Thursday.
Yep, maybe even 30 second of halo infinite gameplay, i'm okay with that :-)
That's amazing. Maybe we'll get half that level of simulation with 16 core / 32 thread Zen 5 CPUs in PS6 and Xbox Series X successor.
If we get it in future, it will be offloaded to GPU, but not in next-next gen. Probably we'll have to use new hardware ala Tensor Cores to make it performant.
This sim solver is also amazing :)
1.3tflops on XB1S to 12tflops (closer to 16tflops of XB1S GPU performance) on Series X is much more than a traditional generational leap in terms of paper specs.
If you're being pedantic and using the X to Series X (6 vs 16) it's still a significant leap on paper. The leap will be far greater on screen in real World performance due to a number of factors.
Stop being a baby with the personal insults.
No one is saying its not significant, but its not 6-7x like in previous gens for cross-gen titles.
Of course if we'll count RT performance we'll get closer to previous generation ratios, but thats not what discussion was about.
And what personal insults? ...