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Granblue Fantasy Versus Ladiva Trailer
- Thread starter KoolAid
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No-one is jumping to conclusions, the game states pretty explicitly that Ladiva is trans. And the localization is strong so it's not a mistake.
It looks like they have General RAAM style stomps? Super sick if that is the case.
Unfortunately none of the characters revealed for this game really do anything for me yet.
Unfortunately none of the characters revealed for this game really do anything for me yet.
As has already been pointed out to you, Draphs have some severe sexual demorphism. So, there's absolutely no ambiguity here. She's trans.
I can read Japanese.
1. Official Source: https://granbluefantasy.jp/pages/?p=5496
2. Definition: https://dic.nicovideo.jp/a/漢女
3. Example of this character archetype: https://danganronpa.fandom.com/wiki/Sakura_Ogami
Interested to hear your replies.
The main game is a mobile phone JRPG, also on PC.
But you wouldn't need to because they're probably going in with the assumption that this is the first time a lot of players in the West have heard of Granblue Fantasy.
Alternatively there is also an Anime adaptation, but by most accounts it's not very good.
Sakura and Ladiva are totally different cases. Ladiva can't be in a female body because there simple can't be a female Draph of that size. Not even close. I don't think they can even be as tall as your average human.
So you are going to disregard everything because you think it's unthinkable that heights can vary?
２ｍ超えの巨漢ではあるが、プレイアブルキャラになっているドラフの男性としては最も小柄であったりする。
They deliberately made the character shorter than every single male Draph in the game.
Not sure what your point is? She is depicted as a straight woman with the heart of a maiden who happens to have traditionally 'masculine' musculature. And she doesn't care to change that.
Also please stop bandying about these English translations.
The character is officially described as 漢女. A word that is in her profile, skill name and her own dialogue.
I have no idea why some people are being stubborn.
I assumed the character was supposed to be a gay man while playing it, but a few seconds in google makes it very plain.
I don't really follow Granblue much but it's nice to see that it looks like they're not limiting themselves to the more popular or recognisable characters for this.
I'm curious how large the full roster will be.
I'm curious how large the full roster will be.
Damn the art in this game is top notch. It looks like a super high quality anime!
I don't get it. You just put a bunch of link and explained nothing. If you are wondering why people are being "stubborn", it's because you just went "look at this!" and expected people to just understand what you're getting at.
That's what DLC characters are for. The base roster is a couple of those, plus chars to round out the archetypes needed for a fighting game.
If you cant read it you should ask. Not continue to peddle your fan theories as fact.
This isn't directed at you but the others who called me out and then disappeared as usual.
Goatee and pecs....yet you're acting as if it's expected to assume those are traits of a female. OKAY
I'm not peddling anything. You seem to be confused why people are not getting you, and I'm simply providing an explanation. It's really up to you if you wanted to be understood or not.
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They can be, they just usually aren't
I think your argument would be better phrased as, without having any knowledge of the series, people would think that the character is male or a gay man. I can see someone assuming female because of the hair but once hearing the character's voice actor, doubt themselves.
I mean, the onus is on you since this is an English forum. I'd argue with you, but I can't make out your thought process - 漢女 is a woman with masculine traits, sure, but Ladiva clearly has the male physical features of her dimorphic species despite identifying and being referred to as a woman. Your interpretation is no more correct than anyone else's.
It would help if you explained or tried to educate on the matter
You just posted links, I can't read japanese
I mean i also wasn't responding to you but still
It isn't often that I agree with you. But this is one of those times.
Yeah this game still looks pretty sick. Still a bit concerned about some of the mechanics, primarily what seems to be the cooldown mechanic. But the characters definitely all look fun and unique.
This is accurate for Ladiva. She's not intended to be a positive portrayal of trans people, she's a bog-standard okama. An extremely common Japanese media trope that tosses together all of a straight writer's ideas of LGBTQ "deviancy" into one archetype that's completely disconnected from real world LGBTQ identities. Sexuality is usually not a major aspect of the characters to make them as nonthreatening as possible (They typically "love everyone") and they show up everywhere, including in children's media.
People are saying she's not the butt of jokes, but that isn't really accurate (And also, like, totally wrong in GBVS? Lowain is clearly pretty grossed out by the pin super in the trailer). A hyper-masculine bodybuilder looking character with a goatee talking in an exaggerated falsetto and presenting as a woman is the joke. It's a very bad joke that subtly suggests the concept of LGBTQ people is absurd and couldn't possibly exist in the real world.
It's great if you find some value in characters like her, but it's either a product of the localization or of viewing them through a different cultural lens. I think okama are pretty terrible, and this makes me a lot less excited about the game!
Cagliostro would be much better as a trans character (Though she's definitely not perfect either), and Ghandagoza would be much better as a big body grappler.
Grossed out? That's the look of someone being knocked the fuck out by a pin super.
Anime characters don't get those purple lines from being knocked out.
It means discomfort... From being pinned by a large body.
There are like 3 male characters in the game so far, 2 of them in the announcement trailer.
also...
If you just want a Rider you should hope Nicholas makes it in the RPG. He is pretty much a Kamen Rider, even has a Rider Kick and a final form where he goes golden.
That seems like an awfully naive read to me. Lowain is an idiot playboy bro and Ladiva is an exaggerated okama wrestler with an outfit that emphasizes her crotch and a passive in the original game that gives her a bonus for each male party member around. And you think Lowain is uncomfortable being on the receiving end of a spread-eagle pin because she's... large? Give me a break.
I expect this to be an expression unique to Lowain, because Arcsys loves doing stuff like that and he's 1000% the type of character to react that way as a cheap gag. There's no doubt in my mind that he'd have a different reaction if it was a different grappler, that would probably more closely resemble the actual "anime character getting fucking KO'd" face he makes for the Rider Kick.
TBH, this is also my take on the situation. Especially with the music cd with Ladiva, Clarrise and Sen, just playing her up as contrast to those two, and a joking contrast.
Even Cagliostro has some issues in that Clarisse will repeatedly call her Oji san (basically old man) and Cagliostro will get violent over it in their event.
Lowain is absolutely not the type of character that would do that. He is very accepting and loving in the original game. Hell, the last event he was featured in had a scene where he read another character's yaoi light novel and he was very supportive of the whole thing, so Arcsys got the wrong read on the character if that's how they made him.
That's fair. I didn't play that event, so I can accept that I might not be reading him completely correctly either.
I guess I'll wait and see how other characters react to it, but it's fine if other people don't see anything wrong with the attack in light of that.
That's pretty low on my list of problems with Ladiva and her archetype in general though.
They are really improving. I was afraid they would give up in trying to improve the resemblance to drawn animated graphics, and deviating in a stile of their own, but I'm happy I was wrong. This sequence it's incredible.
Not only did he read a yaoi light novel and provided criticism with absolutely no judgment, before that his two other bros were scared of a biker gang that's also part of their crew and Lowain had to remind them that you shouldn't judge by looks and stood up for them when he has never even talked to them before. He might be a wannabe playboy but he's a pretty good dude.
I think it's the case of a character's portrayal evolving over time. While it may have been a bit of a gag in her original introduction and fate ep, she's for the most part been played pretty straight, and as people have pointed out her stature is never really the butt of a joke, and there's never (that I can recall) a negative interaction with the crew. Personally I think she's a really fun character, and always enjoy when she shows up. SSR Ladiva when?
Clarisse and Cag's situation is a little more.... complicated....lore wise, and I'm not about to dip into that minefield on this forum.
So good timing, the next monthly event set to start soon is featuring Ladiva. Like everything else with this character it seems like her portrayal will have some... positive and negative aspects.
On the one hand, Ladiva is basically a... magical transgender? there just to help everyone else rather than be an actual character. On the other hand, there was also a leaked picture from a magazine advertisement that suggests maybe Cygames is actually going to address the core issue at the heart of Ladiva's design?
On the one hand, Ladiva is basically a... magical transgender? there just to help everyone else rather than be an actual character. On the other hand, there was also a leaked picture from a magazine advertisement that suggests maybe Cygames is actually going to address the core issue at the heart of Ladiva's design?
I'm glad I'm not the only person thinking of this; I thought I was going insane.