The "rape of a 17 year old" was actually him handing a business card to a 17 year old waitress with the words "you're gorgeous" on it. The 17 year old in question testified to this in court.
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Gov. Bill Haslam grants full clemency to Cyntoia Brown, sets Aug. 7 release from prison
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she killed him on his sleep when she just could have left, but the truth is she was afraid of coming back to his pimp with nothing.
she was afraid of the pimp most likely
Where does it come from? The girl was 16 years old! He also made a pass at a 17 year old. The guy was 43. Yes, it's factually the case.
Which is it? You said he raped the 17 year old earlier.
"do you have RECEIPTS that the man partaking in the rape of a child sex slave was a pedophile tho"
Well it's kind of important if that is your primary argument, no? I mean I can't just start accusing you of being a pedophile, can I?
Do you think he knew how old Cyntoia was? I don't.
And yes, it would be factually wrong to call him a pedophile even if he did. Pedophiles experience sexual attraction to prepubescent children.
(I feel gross even having to state this, but JFC at the lengths some of you will go to vilify someone who is murdered based on hearsay alone)
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The prosecution also had one witness who testified she asked him to go back to the victims house again to steal more stuff, and another witness who claims she told her that she killed Allen because "she wanted to watch him die". Ultimately none of this is important right now, because she's not being released because she's innocent. She admits as much that she's guilty of the crime. She's being released because the sentence she was given was outrageous.
She shouldn't have served a day and gotten some rehabilitation.
I know plenty of lawyers who would've at the very minimum, made sure she wasn't tried as an adult and create one of the most important self defense cases in history.
She was destroyed by the system. She has fetal alcohol syndrome from her mother. It's really impressive how far she's come now. Once she's out, I hope she sues in civil court for time lost.
I know plenty of lawyers who would've at the very minimum, made sure she wasn't tried as an adult and create one of the most important self defense cases in history.
She was destroyed by the system. She has fetal alcohol syndrome from her mother. It's really impressive how far she's come now. Once she's out, I hope she sues in civil court for time lost.
Yeah where the fuck are the bans
Everyone giving her shit knowing the circumstances are fucked up.
idk man maybe the fact that he was partaking in the rape of a child sex slave is proof in itself??????????
I read the article wrong. He apparently made a pass at a 17 year old. Thanks for pointing it out.
But Persephone, the poor guy was just a paying customer after all.
nobody is giving her shit, the first sentence was outrageous and out of fucking hand.
that doesnt mean that she shouldn;'t have served any time
Do you think that's a defense that would hold up anywhere? "I thought she was older"? In your opinion, who is the impetus on to not have sex with minors?
Ban this filth saying murder should have consequences!
The dude isn't on trial here, he's already dead. Soliticiting a prostitute is already illegal, an underage one more so.
But that's not really relevant here.
Her sentence wasn't right but that doesn't mean her murder was okay. Are you suggesting posters should be banned if they don't believe she should have been acquitted?
Just feels weird to try to justify the killing of man in his sleep by trying to prove 'he was no angel.' Her sentence was commuted due to her circumstances, so a wrong was righted. And some laws were changed, but there still needs to be more done to protect underage minors from life sentences. I don't think we should be trying to tar and feather posters that think there wasn't a problem with some initial jail time for the murder?
I think Persephone you should take a breath and try to remember that nobody here is arguing that child sex trafficking is in any way acceptable... however:
You are being devil's advocate here for no reason, this isn't a court of law and it's reasonable to assume that a 43 year old dude searching out young prostitutes is likely a pedophile. That does not mean he deserved extrajudicial murder, but try not to antagonize people with pedantic arguments that ultimately lead to nothing. The entire "ephebophile vs pedophile" garbage is best left elsewhere. This 43 year old man took advantage of what would clearly be child sex slaves, we don't need to ponder the details much beyond that.
You are being devil's advocate here for no reason, this isn't a court of law and it's reasonable to assume that a 43 year old dude searching out young prostitutes is likely a pedophile. That does not mean he deserved extrajudicial murder, but try not to antagonize people with pedantic arguments that ultimately lead to nothing. The entire "ephebophile vs pedophile" garbage is best left elsewhere. This 43 year old man took advantage of what would clearly be child sex slaves, we don't need to ponder the details much beyond that.
I dunno, but I can say with 100% certainty that the consequence shouldn't be getting shot in the back of the head.
Who is giving her shit? If any bans are deserved, it's for promulgating lies like "he previously raped a 17 year old". A thread about a case this murky doesn't need extra layers of complete horseshit thrown on top of it.
He did not deserve extrajudicial murder, Brown did not deserve to be sex trafficked.
He likely knew what he was getting into, even if he didn't know her exact age.
It's possible to not be ok with murder and the death of human beings, AND be furious at the injustice of the case and how it was handled.
The user was attempting to make a defense of how the guy wasn't a pedophile.
She's got an iron fucking will to do as much as she's done while incarcerated unjustly and I hope she's able to make a great life for herself as a free woman.
Yea he was totally prepared to get his head blown off in his sleep.
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Agreed. I only wish her the best. She's had to overcome a lot. And will continue to have to overcome even more. Hopefully the people that helped get her out remain by her side. At least initially when she'll need the most assistance and encouragement.
She wasn't unjustly incarcerated though. She murdered someone. The sentence, however, was most definitely unjust.
And I am A-Okay with this response.
The "shouldn't have gotten any jail time" or the hyperbolic "child rapist pedophile blah blah blah" nonsense is what I have a problem with.
I hope she will be provided the support system needed to effectively live her life outside of prison. I wish the best of luck to her.
Not surprised you would take issue with me at all, but equating an honest mistake (that has since been edited) to "promulgating lies", yeah, okay dude.
He was prepared to buy and have sex with a child prostitute. Don't intentionally misread my responses in service of some misguided quest for justice that's already been served.
This sums it up nicely then. It was shit a situation, made worse by an overly punishing sentence from the courts that is now commuted. I wish her the best, and hope that she continues to improve and help her community.
If you read about case, she turned down his advances and they never actually had sex before she shot him.
Child rapist pedophile isn't hyperbolic, it's an assumptive description of what he was based on the circumstances of Browns trafficking, you may take issue with the literal definition of "pedophile" in this specific instance but arguing those details right now is largely irrelevant because we all agree that her incarceration for life was grossly unjust.
A fair and just sentence for a 16 year old sex slave would have been an actual and meaningful attemp at rehabilitation, whether that takes months or years, but that doesn't happen because our system is broken and fueled on vengeance and punishment. Foolish people see "10 years" or "15 years" or "life" and it makes them feel better about themselves, like something has been accomplished, like we've made society safer.
And he should have gotten jail time for it (assuming they actually had sex). Instead he was murdered.
If he was killed by a drunk driver on the way home instead of by Cyntonia would you be arguing that they should get off because the person they killed was bad?
User Banned (permanent): Excusing sexual assault of a minor; rationalizing statutory rape
I disagree.
If someone solicits sex for money (although people want to argue otherwise...he was a random John, he picked her up in his truck with no prior contact/background knowledge) is it really rape? (I'm definitely getting my search ready to call out any mother fucker that has shown any semblence of being okay with prostitution...because obviously that makes you a rapist). Not knowing her age, does that make him a pedophile (however you want to define it)? She would have long since reached physical maturity and something tells me these guys aren't out carding hookers just to make sure, and that could be said for any encounter similar to this.
At the most I would call it a shit situation that shouldn't happen. But anything beyond that would be left to assumption
Leaving some things to assumption is fine in this case, I don't want to litigate the nitty gritty details of his motivations because they're largely irrelevant. Brown's situation was abhorrent and while it doesn't justify her murdering the man, it does significantly change the circumstances and should have affected how the prosecution tried the case.
I think this, like NinjaScooter said above, is an example of just how broken our justice system is. We don't need to argue back and forth about the sexual preferences of a dead-John. We need to look carefully at how Brown was able to be tried as an adult and sentenced to life considering her life circumstances up to that point. I understand your desire for factual accuracy but in this specific instance is unnecessary and can be seen as antagonistic.
You do know that having sex with someone underage is called statutory *rape*, right? Because having sex with someone that can't consent is rape. That's simply what it is.
That's just not true though. He wasn't her captor, he was asleep in a bed. She shot him, robbed him and returned the bounty to her actual captor.
I thought she killed a customer not her slave master. She actually brought the stuff back to her master.
Well this is just blatantly false. Her captor would be her pimp, and she killed the guy while he was sleeping for money to give to her pimp....
Having sex with a minor is rape, and ignorance if their age is not a defense.
She didn't kill her captor, though. She killed a guy in his sleep, stole his shit, and gave it to her captor.
Per all the articles I've read, they never had any sexual relations. Is there more to this story that isn't being reported?
To be clear, they did not have sex, so that label is not really relevant here. He probably was a scumbag, but that's not really relevant to this case.
I didn't think it was necessary either until people crawled out of the woodwork using it as a justification for murder and/or walking away scott free.