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Nov 5, 2017
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I have a chronic condition that I see specialists for, and last year because of this, my doctor wanted me to get a shingles vaccine, because I'm far more likely to get the virus than your average person. So I went to get it last year, and it wasn't approved by my insurance company. So I had to talk to them on the phone, talk to my doctors, explained everything, it still wasn't approved. So eventually I had to file a grievance, but I had to get my doctor to file it on my behalf, and that was a whole process in its own, because the receptionists were pretty incompetent and either forgot to do it, or didn't file it correctly. I had 2 appeals rejected. Fast forward 2 months from my very first call to that insurance company, and I'm on my 3rd and final appeal. I had to go on a conference call with a team of higher ups from the company and they would only approve it if I got a written letter from my doctor, which I did. So it was finally approved.

The vaccine is a series of two shots. You have to get both. I was told by my insurance company that it covers both. They even told me "of course it covers both" because you need both for it to work. So I got my first shot last summer. I saw my specialist a couple months ago and he reminded me to get my 2nd shot, it's really important, but I couldn't because there's a massive manufacturer's shortage and there's long waiting lists across the country. You're not supposed to get it longer than 6 months out from your first shot, but there's nothing I could do, I had to wait, I'm 7 months removed now. They finally got the 2nd shot for me in this week, and I went to get it and.... not approved. My pharmacist called the insurance company with me there and they refused to approve it and let me get the shot. The pharmacist told me he did all he could do, I have to come in within a week or he has to give my shot to the next person on the waiting list, it's a massive list of almost 100.

So I get home and call the insurance company myself and they told me I have to go through the whole grievance and appeals process all over again... which like I said originally took 2 MONTHS! I don't have that kinda time, my doctor has been bugging me to get this shot, and I have a week before he gives it to someone else, and then I have to wait until the next shipment, which per my pharmacist is usually 2-3 months. By then it'll be too late.

Now here's the shady part. The person on the phone at the insurance company told me they have no record of my original appeal being approved. "Coincidentally" their systems have everything BUT that. I feel that is no coincidence. She read to me everything they have in their systems, and hilariously, it stops right before it got approved. She said they have no record of it, all they have is it being rejected. I told her, miss, I have the approval letter right here in my hands. YOU HAVE BEEN APPROVED. Do you want me to read it to you? She said it doesn't matter, she needs documentation in their system for it to actually work.

So here I am basically. I have to get this all sorted out through appeals by next Friday or I can't get it. My doctor was annoyed the first time that I had to go through all this, I know he's going to be livid(at them) when I tell him if I have to go through it again. If I can't get it sorted by the end of next week, I'm thinking about filing some kind of a lawsuit if that's the best course of action. What a joke.
 

Ziltoidia 9

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,141
I hate insurance companies. We need to make them extinct.

Maybe look around to see if you can find advocates for this type of thing. Prep all the communication you had with them in writing, etc, that way you can have it ready if you want to try and get legal help.
 

jchap

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,772
What is the cost to you if the insurance doesn't approve it? Sadly you must weigh the cost as it will not be cheap or a small amount of time to fight this in court.
 

Zoe

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,266
Your best bet is to pay for it out of pocket and then seek retroactive coverage.
 

Umbrella Carp

Banned
Jan 16, 2019
3,265
The usual warnings apply; if you haven't read the small print, they very likely have you by the balls, but if you have, and you still feel like you have claws to bring into the fight, then hit the ring bell.
 

Chrome Hyena

Member
Oct 30, 2017
8,769
I'll see if I can find out, I know it isn't going to be cheap at all.
If you have the means and you have to have it, best to eat the cost, then fight for them to repay you, as Zoe said. because insurance companies are shady as hell and by time they "Find" the original approval, you'll have to start all over. Also if you have one of those "Problem Solver" squads at your local TV New station, you can try them as well.
 

Sheepinator

Member
Jul 25, 2018
28,018
I sympathize. The first responders suggestion of an advocate is probably a great idea. What a nightmare system. It's like, if the US healthcare system was designed by Lucifer himself, this is what he'd come up with. We pay insurers to fund armies of lawyers to deny us care, and wait the patients out in the some cases, and to pad their pockets. Hospitals and drug companies charge outrageous amounts with little transparency. Price fixing. And one major political party gets its rocks off at denying millions of people healthcare.
 
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TrustTheProcess
Nov 5, 2017
316
If you have the means and you have to have it, best to eat the cost, then fight for them to repay you, as Zoe said. because insurance companies are shady as hell and by time they "Find" the original approval, you'll have to start all over. Also if you have one of those "Problem Solver" squads at your local TV New station, you can try them as well.

Gonna call the pharmacy tomorrow ask for the cost. Then see what my doctor says on Monday and see if he can offer any extra advice since he helped me get it approved originally. If I have to eat the cost(if I can afford it) and then try to get reimbursed I will.
 

Linkura

Member
Oct 25, 2017
19,943
It's probably a few hundred dollars at most without insurance. Not sure if you can eat that or not, but there it is.

I just googled it and Consumer Reports says it's around $200.
https://www.consumerreports.org/health/why-the-shingles-vaccine-cost-so-much/

I wasn't sure if my health insurance would cover a pneumonia shot I got last year, and was ready to pay out of pocket, but they did. I did check the rack rate first though and it was only a few hundred, so I decided to do it even if they didn't cover it.
 
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TrustTheProcess
Nov 5, 2017
316
I can afford $200 if that's what it costs. The whole thing is insane. Everyone I talked to including my doctors kinda snarked when I asked if the approval would cover both like it was such an obvious question. Of course, right? It has to. You need both otherwise it wouldn't cover both. It wasn't even a question, wasn't even going to be a problem. There's always something that goes wrong with these companies.
 

Ziltoidia 9

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,141
I can afford $200 if that's what it costs. The whole thing is insane. Everyone I talked to including my doctors kinda snarked when I asked if the approval would cover both like it was such an obvious question. Of course, right? It has to. You need both otherwise it wouldn't cover both. It wasn't even a question, wasn't even going to be a problem. There's always something that goes wrong with these companies.

Just wondering, and it's a personal question, but how much a month is your "premium".

Sidenote: I love the Orwellian term "premium".
 
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TrustTheProcess
Nov 5, 2017
316
Just wondering, and it's a personal question, but how much a month is your "premium".

Sidenote: I love the Orwellian term "premium".

I'm on medicaid right now because of my illness. So no premium, but the coverage sucks. Few doctors take medicaid. It's a nightmare. One time I had to drive out of my city to see a doctor, because no specialists for that specific issue in my area would take Medicaid. I'd say it's a 50/50 toss up as to whether or not my insurance covers my medications. I have several ongoing issues, and one of them requires a bevy of meds, and they simply won't cover one of them. I even had my doctor call them and tell them it was medically necessary, which usually does the trick, but they wouldn't budge on that one. So I need to drive to my doctor's office once every few weeks and get a bunch of samples. That's literally how I get my medication. Samples.

It's awful.
 

davepoobond

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'd say you might have a case technically but for a 200 dollar shot it isn't going to be worth it to you unless you have an axe to grind.

Not sure about the hubbub or not having it on file
 

FF Seraphim

Member
Oct 26, 2017
13,736
Tokyo
So you have a letter from them saying it is approved and they say they do not have said letter? Well I would definitely post on r/legaladvice because to me that sounds like you have a case. Either someone in the insurance company sent a letter saying you were approved and deleted the approval from the system, or they sent a letter to get you to stop bothering them and have you pay out of pocket anyway saying something was lost in the system. Hopefully you kept all your documents from the doctor and the appeal process.
 
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TrustTheProcess
Nov 5, 2017
316
So you have a letter from them saying it is approved and they say they do not have said letter? Well I would definitely post on r/legaladvice because to me that sounds like you have a case. Either someone in the insurance company sent a letter saying you were approved and deleted the approval from the system, or they sent a letter to get you to stop bothering them and have you pay out of pocket anyway saying something was lost in the system. Hopefully you kept all your documents from the doctor and the appeal process.

Yes, I had the letter in my hand when I was on the phone. I said mam I have the letter right here, I'll read it to you if you want. I said I'll even snap a picture of it and send it to an email if that option is available. She interrupted me and said "SIR... SIR... listen to me. I'm trying to help you now, so I need you to listen." And then went on about my having to contact the grievance department and start the whole process over. And said she "doesn't feel comfortable" about doing an override to approve the medication unless she had documented proof in the system.

So they could literally get me my shot with one simple override click of a button, but refuse to do it. I'm literally one computer click away.
 

FF Seraphim

Member
Oct 26, 2017
13,736
Tokyo
Yes, I had the letter in my hand when I was on the phone. I said mam I have the letter right here, I'll read it to you if you want. I said I'll even snap a picture of it and send it to an email if that option is available. She interrupted me and said "SIR... SIR... listen to me. I'm trying to help you now, so I need you to listen." And then went on about my having to contact the grievance department and start the whole process over. And said she "doesn't feel comfortable" about doing an override to approve the medication unless she had documented proof in the system.

So they could literally get me my shot with one simple override click of a button, but refuse to do it. I'm literally one computer click away.

Seriously? Call again, talk to someone higher up if you can. You literally have an approval letter from said company so they are doing something dodgy for sure.
 

Sandstar

Member
Oct 28, 2017
7,744
It's kind of ridiculous they're putting him through the ringer for such a low cost. They've easily spent 100x this on their employee salaries dealing with this issue.

I'm curious which insurance company this is.

Earlier in the thread, they said medicaid, but that's probably administered by a local insurance company that bid on it. For instance, I'm on medicaid, but my insurance is handled by united healthcare.
 

ZackieChan

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
8,056
I'd say you might have a case technically but for a 200 dollar shot it isn't going to be worth it to you unless you have an axe to grind.

Not sure about the hubbub or not having it on file
What's amazing to me is that this has cost probably thousands of dollars in bureaucracy (between the time involved with everyone) just to avoid paying a couple hundred for a shot. Fucking unreal.
 

Koo

Member
Dec 10, 2017
1,863
So they don't have your approval letter in the system; but they most definitely have 'Paid X amount for Shingles Vaccine on Y-date for [Your Name]' in their system. If they don't have that they are fucking lying to you. It's medicaid, a gov't organization, they most definitely are keeping track of where the money is going. They may not have put approval status in their file on you, but they should see that they've already paid for this before.

They may have also sent you a different letter where they talk about 'We've covered XYZ medications for you for the past month/6-months/year, blah blah blah.' That should also be in their system if they do things similarly to Medicare (they are always sending my mom these letters of what they've covered for her recently).

I'd call back and talk to a different person and escalate as much as possible till you get someone with enough authority to lay eyes on these things in your file. And if you're approved again, get the person's name and call back extension just in case some fuckery happens. I'm basically my mom's sole advocate when it comes to Medicare and I learned a long time ago to keep a log book of every call I make on her behalf; who I've spoken with, what was discussed, call back numbers, the works.
 
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TrustTheProcess
Nov 5, 2017
316
Called back the insurance company Monday morning, after several arguments and having to keep my cool, and being transferred several times I finally got transferred to a higher up and then they transferred me to the person who handled my original appeal and then that person finally got it approved. So I got my vaccine, yay me.

Now watch me end up getting shingles anyway after all this madness 😂😂😂
 

BobbeMalle

Banned
Dec 5, 2017
2,019
It's really a fucked up system, i'm so sorry for you. I'm glad it turned out ok in the end, but i guess you lost a decade of life for the stress! :)
 

JSoup

Member
Oct 27, 2017
545
I'm curious which insurance company this is.

Looks like the so-called "Obamacare".
I've dealt with them over shit like this too, the system is designed to get you to not use the insurance and pay out of pocket.
I've actually gotten a few free doctors visits and meds over the same crap. That's not a brag, it shouldn't be free and is bad for the system when that happens.
 
Oct 27, 2017
15,052
Send them a copy of your approval letter and tell them if they do not approve the second shot then they will be getting a letter from your lawyer next.

Edit - oh, it's sorted now. Well done, never mind the undue stress this has caused!
 

Waveset

Member
Oct 30, 2017
832
Don't you have ombudsman or regulators that you can raise this with? Sounds like you've exhausted all avenues with the company itself, natural next step is to engage with industry watchdogs.
 

ParityBit

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,618
I had shingles when I was going for my masters. My body couldn't take the stress I put myself under. Thankfully it was a single spot (size of a half dollar) on the back of my neck.
 

CrankyJay

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
11,318
If you ever have to pay retail because your insurance doesn't cover it, check goodrx.com for coupons.
 

Zoe

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,266
Looks like the so-called "Obamacare".
I've dealt with them over shit like this too, the system is designed to get you to not use the insurance and pay out of pocket.
I've actually gotten a few free doctors visits and meds over the same crap. That's not a brag, it shouldn't be free and is bad for the system when that happens.
Obamacare is still run through actual insurance companies.
 

JSoup

Member
Oct 27, 2017
545
Sort of is in the context asked.

It's not Obamacare that gave OP the run-around. It was BCBS, United, Humana, or whoever else OP has.

Sort of isn't in the context asked.
Call any of those companies directly and OP will be redirected back to the policy handler.
Cause that's how poor people insurance works. 'Obamacare', medicaid, all the same process.
 

namlook

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
132
But socialized medicine is evil right? If you lived in any other modern democracy, you would get those shots for "free".

The US system is inhumane.
 

FeliciaFelix

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,778
Glad you got that sorted. Anyway I'm gonna suggest the Goodrx app for manufacturer discounts and shopping around for drugs. At least one time the GoodRx price was better than the out of pocket price of the drug even though it was "covered".

Edit: and also check the manufacturer's website, sometimes they have Coupons and it turns out to be cheaper than letting insurance handle it.
 
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devSin

Member
Oct 27, 2017
6,196
Cause that's how poor people insurance works. 'Obamacare', medicaid, all the same process.
Insurance policy varies widely by state (especially for Medicaid, which is administered by the state).

It has nothing to do with "Obamacare". The only thing here is that the OP has insurance, where they otherwise would not.

Whatever point you're trying to make, you're failing.
 
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SugarNoodles

Member
Nov 3, 2017
8,625
Portland, OR
Zero accountability. People running insurance companies don't care when things like this happen and there is no system in place to punish them.

Threaten to fire executives over shit like this and watch what happens.
 

JSoup

Member
Oct 27, 2017
545
User Banned (1 Day): Concern Trolling / Fear-mongering over a series of posts.
Insurance policy varies widely by state (especially for Medicaid, which is administered by the state).

It has nothing to do with "Obamacare". The only thing here is that the OP has insurance, where they otherwise would not.

Whatever point you're trying to make, you're failing.

I made my point just fine, you lot just don't understand how middle man programs work. Not really your fault, most people don't.