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Google Stadia Is the Best of PC and the Best of Console, Says Developer
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Google business model is clear so far, they will try to make money out of game sales and subscriptions. Don't see this as a developer making a game that will dedicate 10 server blades on a single user. None of my examples have said that and this is not sustainable. Just think about how there are 100 million PS4 out there and none of them can take advantage of the power that the others have. This changes in a server environment.
The best thing about PC gaming is the massive library and constant sales. The best thing about console gaming is that I can resell the games and hardware. Stadia offers basically the worst of both.
They're all talking about developing games for Stadia, and yeah, it's easy to see how it could be that best of both worlds in that regard. I'm surprised so many people are taking it as "for consumers they're the best of both worlds". Please read the article and sources before crucifying somebody.
Clicking through the links, here were some extended thoughts from the same dev, demonstrating why she felt that way;
Clicking through the links, here were some extended thoughts from the same dev, demonstrating why she felt that way;
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It may take a little of the best of both worlds but man does it give it an unappealing overall package...
Must be great for Devs, meh for me as a consumer.
Must be great for Devs, meh for me as a consumer.
Sorry, but this is just a really novel way to say 'goddamn you are such an idiot' in such an incredibly condescending way that I just have to comment on it, lol.
just think of this launch as a paid beta and treat it accordingly, real launch is next year when the free version is available.
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No, keep reading. I said nothing about being intelligent.
I did read your response to his response.
Doesn't change my impression, but alright man, whatever you say, haha.
Electricity is steady enough that cookers across Europe use the hz pulse to automatically set there time correctly*.
It's stable enough that PAL and NTSC set TV refresh rates based on the local generated electricity clockcycle, timing the electron gun to make 50 or 60 sweeps per second respectively.
Meanwhile the speed of light means unless Google put a centre in every town you're goingto get lag and to hide it various prediction algorithms are going to be used.
(*Except for a recent issue caused due to Serbian and Kosovan powergrids)
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Sure, your first impression is in the past and that cannot be changed, but now you know better. I'm pushing for people to investigate because most of what you want to know about this is only a few Google searches away. This will make the discussion a lot better for everyone.
I wonder how they will set it up.
Nothing set in stone yet, but it's promising that they're thinking about it at least.
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So back when the electricity service started and was not stable, you would have been out there screaming in the street trying to convince everyone how they should push against it and keep using their hand powered utensils, right? You wouldn't have said that the electric service was not perfect for everyone now, but the ones that do get to enjoy it will take advantage of electric appliances, while the service continues to evolve and get better for everyone. On regards to lag, check my post history and you will find post after post with factual information on how you're wrong about latency. Google won't have to build a data center between each house in order to have good or even better than local latency.
Off loading physx to a 2nd gpu worked pretty well, modern game renderers and effects killed sli/xfire. The multi gpu audience just wasn't big enough to make devs spend the amount of time needed to implement a modern solution, anyone except Oxide anyway. If sony or ms pushed out a box with multiple gpu's we would see stuff happen. I can't see stadia stuff using entire racks for 1 game but I could see 4 blades all hitting 1 blade for something like physics simulations and that would give the stadia game a much more impressive look on say cloth or destruction effects than we see on the same game on pc/consoles.
I live on the East Coast of the us on a rural area about 40 miles from the biggest city and about 10 miles outside my local town limits. My isp is spectrum and I get 700/50 with no caps. I play mostly PC but never mod unless it's a must have mod and generally just enjoy games the way they come. I'd love to play more on my beautiful tv but consoles just aren't up to snuff for me this late in the gen (for the most part). I am super down for stadia. I listed all this out to show that while I know I only represent a small subset of gamers there is still a market for it and some people will get tons of usage out of it and for use streaming is the best of both worlds and the future sooner rather than later.
Yeah it kinda is at this point, people find the one thing they specifically dislike and single it out whilst never listing any of the positives or even potential positives. It literally reads like streaming has hurt them somehow.
*checks my 30 day internet usage for comparison*
wut
How did this even happen?????
from a developers perspective
the best of pc is not having to buy a devkit
the best of console is predictable hardware, and a walled garden protecting you from piracy and haxxors
the best of pc is not having to buy a devkit
the best of console is predictable hardware, and a walled garden protecting you from piracy and haxxors
Why would I want to encourage the end of ownership, why would I want to encourage the need to be online at all times, why would I want to encourage the need to connect to a remote server to play locally with my friend by my side.
Why would I think stadia is a service I would want when I can have locally rendered games & streaming with Sony and Microsoft?
Why do you Stan so hard for Google?
I'm a fighting game player, if they created a monopoly and or a future where no one renders locally why would that be good for my future. It's horrific.
Theres no reason why lag would be lower on stadia than console if developers actually cared about it, had realistic render budgets.
Why would I want to encourage the company with a destructive monopoly on Search, Video and thanks to Android, now also Browsing a space here.
Just make sure you don't post any emotes on YouTube streams.
There is no way that Google stadia beats the latency of a game designed around proper render goals on a closed box.
The stadia closed box is much more powerful than PS4 or Xbox for now. Let's compare PS5.
And even if they achieve negative latency, beat the speed of light, how are you going to cope with lost packets, signal degredation etc, traffic shaping etc. Video quality and I guess latency are going to be a variable, like an online multiplayer game but always.
All them gifs and dank memes.*checks my 30 day internet usage for comparison*
wut
How did this even happen?????
Oh yes! :)
That's exactly what the service needed, instead of looking at trailers and listen to haters complaining about latency who has never actually tried the service or has crappy internet we can just try the games ourselves.
It would be cool it you could send a hotlink from a specific segment for a free trial to a friend.
"Hey! You need to try this! *link to awesome boss fight"
I don't know if most of you have tried Shadow PC, but I hope that becomes an option in the future with Stadia/xCloud/whatever comes next.
That would allow modding support, cheat engine on SP games, etc, etc.
To those who don't know, it's more or less a VM on a server. Instead of streaming you the D3D application, you get streamed the PC itself. Seems to be the best of both worlds, IMO.
That would allow modding support, cheat engine on SP games, etc, etc.
To those who don't know, it's more or less a VM on a server. Instead of streaming you the D3D application, you get streamed the PC itself. Seems to be the best of both worlds, IMO.
1TB absolutely isn't an "insane" amount these days full of 4K streaming, 60+ GB game downloads, etc. especially with multiple people in the house.
Hey, that's the exact same thing Sweet Billy said about Xbox One. Guess who didn't keep their job for long.
On the off chance that you're not trolling, the best thing about PC is its flexibility, not its raw power. Stuff like mods, cheatengine, trainers, ini tweaks. Things that basically let you customize games according to your tastes/needs. Stadia does not allow that.
Streaming is a another choice could bring a new audience of gamers but l prefer my pc/console for best image quality.
How the hell did so many people take what the developer said as a consumer view? It's pretty fucking obvious that he meant it from a development point of view.
If you do understand the point he's trying to make I don't see how you could possibly disagree?
My god the instant dismissal and aversion people have towards anything Stadia is just baffling.
If you do understand the point he's trying to make I don't see how you could possibly disagree?
My god the instant dismissal and aversion people have towards anything Stadia is just baffling.
If they want to use developer benefits to advertise their service to the consumer, the misunderstanding is on them.
I mean it's an article about a new games service. I, and many others I'm sure, would appreciate getting developers' thoughts on it.
It doesn't have to just be an advertisement. It can also be a look at how developers feel about Stadia.
I mean they're getting paid to develop Gylt exclusively for Stadia, probably not the best studio to get your impressions from.
If anything it is the worst from PC (not having a way to configure your settings) and console (not having the actual hardware).
If anything it is the worst from PC (not having a way to configure your settings) and console (not having the actual hardware).
Once upon a time there was a handsome prince named Netflix who loaned Blu-rays to all his subject for $8 a month, as many as they fancied. The video was pristine and the audio sublime. At the height of his reign he had 10's of millions of loyal followers and was loved throughout the kindgom. Then one day an evil wizard descended from the internet and made a proposition. He would sell the people digital rentals for $6 each, the audio would be compressed, the image garbled, and some would be taxed higher for their use, but in exchange the people would no longer have to walk to their post or insert a disc. The Lords in their grand Kuro towers laughed at the notion, not even the peasants would fall for such a bargain. But alas, the people were foolish and lazy. Soon the evil wizard conquered nearly every corner of the kingdom, leaving prince Netflix with only a couple million subjects willing to accept his Blu-rays. It is said his crumbling castle will be demolished entirely within the next year or two.
the idea is cool but i just can't afford $50 extra a month to remove my ISP's data cap. i'd rather just like, upgrade my computer...
You see, in order to review a game you need to have spent 100 hours with it otherwise it doesnt count but in order to make a post you just have to read half a thread title and make up the context for yourself.
User warned: driveby posting
I wouldn't expect the people on this forum to have basic reading comprehension.
Beyond bullshit marketing is a pretty good reason to bash them.
If multibillion-dollar company fanboys want to believe in e.g. faster-than-light signals and what have you, they can be my guest, though.
So I want to believe, especially since alucard keeps insisting that ISPs will react accordingly and data caps won't be a problem. But what if Comcast decides not to give a fuck, or starts creating specialized packages or whatever? Does that mean that Stadia just isn't for me because I'm unlucky to only have Comcast as my isp option?
Slightly discounting the Developer quotes (Since they are being paid to develop on Stadia), they are really setting themselves up for a major backlash if their games are not the best of the best ever. Saying you have no limits on what you can use and the backlash for not hitting those numbers could be massive.
Stadia is truly the best example of "Show Don't Tell"
Stadia is truly the best example of "Show Don't Tell"
I can definitely see the argument. A single hardware configuration that isn't limited by the constraints of the console form factor would make developers' lives a whole lot easier and the lack of upfront cost for buying hardware would be very appealing to customers. I also think that it is shortsighted to dismiss the technology based on the current state of internet availability and speeds. You have to start somewhere and I'm sure that the companies operating in the streaming space don't expect it to become mainstream until at least a decade down the line.
That said, for the technology to ever have the chance to become mainstream it will have to provide the fabled "good enough" experience to customers, which means decent performance, decent quality and a completely hassle-free process of buying and playing games. If these services launch prematurely and the experience is bad, word of mouth will set them back another decade.
That said, for the technology to ever have the chance to become mainstream it will have to provide the fabled "good enough" experience to customers, which means decent performance, decent quality and a completely hassle-free process of buying and playing games. If these services launch prematurely and the experience is bad, word of mouth will set them back another decade.
Wake me up when I can use 100GB of Ram in modded Minecraft so it doesn't lag or the power of the cloud makes turns in endgame Aurora 4x bearable.
Oh, you don't have any real-world examples of your super-tech?
