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Google: Stadia exclusives to have features “not possible” on home hardware
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If you are asking for one example of features that can be done, there is Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Breakpoint, which is using Stream Connect. I don't understand enough about hardware to say something is or isn't possible in current local hardware vs what Stadia is proposing, but that article makes it seems like it is at least a lot easier than doing it in a local hardware environment.
I just watched GDC 2019 Developer Session: First Light - Bringing DOOM to Stadia and I recommend to watch if you want to see a developer point of view. People from id Software talk about: problems they had, solutions created, partnership with Google/Stadia, features that they saw they could implement, and even hinted that they were already working on "ways to differentiate the title (DOOM Eternal) on the platform in ways not possible before" (quote from the video at 37:11~37:27).
As I said, I don't have the technical knowledge to know what is possible on current hardware vs what Stadia is proposing. So I plan to keep watching their other GDC talks.
I just watched GDC 2019 Developer Session: First Light - Bringing DOOM to Stadia and I recommend to watch if you want to see a developer point of view. People from id Software talk about: problems they had, solutions created, partnership with Google/Stadia, features that they saw they could implement, and even hinted that they were already working on "ways to differentiate the title (DOOM Eternal) on the platform in ways not possible before" (quote from the video at 37:11~37:27).
As I said, I don't have the technical knowledge to know what is possible on current hardware vs what Stadia is proposing. So I plan to keep watching their other GDC talks.
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If anyone has the money and audacity to do something like this, it's Google.
Indeed. I'm willing to give this thing a shot at least to see what becomes of it.
Yeah cool, this is what was exciting about the initial reveal of the service. At this point show, don't tell.
As I understand it when you link multiple GPUs in a SLI or similar configuration there are inefficiencies. What sort of inefficiencies are we expecting with 2 Stadia sessions linked together? Do we know that 2 linked together gives you over 20 TF or is this an assumption?
Everyone gets that they were answering questions in an interview right!
This. I mean the technical feasibility is there. It's like if suddenly all players and the servers were connected in LAN with infinite bandwidth. Games will no longer have to care and be limited by the amounts of info they need to transport between the client and server, because it's going to be essentially unlimited. The kinds of wacky crazy destructible environments that MS was touting with Crackdown 3 are going to be able to be cranked up to 11. Multiplayer games will be able to have all the interactive stuff that was previously limited to single player games. That said, there's always going to be other constraints like rendering and memory, game design, and budget that's going to make producing said games really hard or improbable. Will it even be fun? Will it even matter? (Cue Crackdown 3). This is the Sega CD situation all over again: sure, now you got all that extra storage space to work with and make amazing games with, so give us your best sho... oh.. oh.... ...FMV point and click games... okay. So until they actually show something worthwhile, it's all just cheap talk. I've been sold empty dreams too many times before to get my hopes up.
I can certainly imagine the possibilities. I've been doing so for years. At this point, I'd like to go beyond merely "imagining" and have those concepts become reality.
Yes. It's still a valid criticism. The humdrum game lineup they've announced so far isn't stirring the imagination. When Stadia begins to offer novel games that utilize the unique abilities of their cloud-based structure, then you might see some enthusiasm from the peanut gallery. Until then, don't be surprised if the criticism continues.
It does but that's kind of a unique situation. It works because they're using existing satellite data to recreate the actual real world. No developer is going to have the resources to build an original world this big and detailed.
What i meant is i don't believe them until i see it. I still remember "the power of the cloud" talk
And stadia pro will release next month, they could prepare at least a small demo to show the potential of the cloud, not just some cheap talk...
Stadia and Xbox's approaches were fairly different, but following through with that was never going to work once they had to roll back the "always online" part of their platform.
At least they are already showing it is possible with the demo that another person posted and Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Breakpoint.
Stadia should have prepared a big exclusive that shows off the potential of the hardware for launch, rather than fill their library with games already on other platforms and a handful of timed-exclusive indies.
Edit: Actually, PS4 and XB1 launches were rougher than I remembered from a software perspective. Stadia is about on par, then.
Edit: Actually, PS4 and XB1 launches were rougher than I remembered from a software perspective. Stadia is about on par, then.
Well the industry dug up its own hole with empty promises and outright lies one too many times. Seems fair to me. We've been Molyneux'd enough times. I'm glad to see so many people wising up. It's still not enough!
Seriously, it's mind boggling. Even Ouya had better exclusive support than this. Google really seemed to think all they had to do was release Stadia with some decent third party support and people would flock to it solely because you didn't need to buy an expensive piece of hardware.
Even showing isn't good enough IMO because it's easy enough to fake shit in a controlled environment, just look at all those Crackdown 3 cloud physics demos.
There can be but they're still going to be quite powerful. And there's no law that says you have to stop at 2, you could go to ... 3.
In say 2 years Google can also use more advanced GPUs period, things that smoke the PS5/XB2 GPUs down 1 vs 1 fairly easily (like say a forthcoming Nvidia 3080).
Massive or extremely complex worlds that would otherwise be very difficult to synchronize between locally executed clients is totally a benefit of a concept like stadia, how developers actually manage to utilize that and how the technology actually holds up remains to be seen.
I suspect it won't be more than a cool gimmick used sparingly, but there's just as much chance I'll be wrong and it'll revolutionize how we think of multiplayer or something. The future is hard to predict.
Either way, they aren't making stuff up here or anything, but there isn't any proof yet this stuff is going to be meaningful.
I suspect it won't be more than a cool gimmick used sparingly, but there's just as much chance I'll be wrong and it'll revolutionize how we think of multiplayer or something. The future is hard to predict.
Either way, they aren't making stuff up here or anything, but there isn't any proof yet this stuff is going to be meaningful.
Games have been able to do that for decades. What are they doing that is new in that area?
RAGE exists, so Stadia is late already. :P
But you would still have to synchronize between google datacenters though. Or limit players to single datacenter or increase lag to some players. (Though I guess it's still easier to sync datacenters than all the players).
Yeah you'd have to treat it like a server selector, mmo or old school game style, which is a big limitation, but it's still interesting.
As I said my best guess is cool gimmick with limited real world use cases, but who knows for sure.
This is definitely the most exciting aspect of cloud gaming for me and I can't wait to see what capable developers will do when they can make a game for a supercomputer. This is a much more interesting promise to me than 'console gaming everywhere' that is currently being used to sell cloud gaming. But you need to install base first so it's a little chicken and egg at the moment.
Stadia could be awesome for simulation games I guess. I'm trying to build a megabase in Factorio right now, and at some point in this game maintaining your PCs updates per second becomes the most difficult part.
I'm guessing for now though most 'Stadia exclusive features' will be along the lines of throwing shit loads of enemies / characters on the screen at once, which is fair enough.
I'm guessing for now though most 'Stadia exclusive features' will be along the lines of throwing shit loads of enemies / characters on the screen at once, which is fair enough.
There is stuff you can do with multiplayer when all the game clients are in the same cloud datacenter as each other, that just isn't possible when the game clients are remote in people's homes.
You could use this to bemoan and decry any future announcement in games. I get the outline of what you're saying and I'm not saying Stadia is above criticism, but this is a weak baseline for it imo.
They keep talking about YouTube videos or twitch streams with links to play
- but you still have to pay or sign up for an account. And you'll need a controller. This won't be anywhere near as seamless as they make it sound
- and you could do exactly that with PC games (and with a little more effort, console games) - just a steam:// url with a token that gives enough info to point to an area or even save game could auto run that game. Stadia should be faster because it's streaming but still doable.
- but you still have to pay or sign up for an account. And you'll need a controller. This won't be anywhere near as seamless as they make it sound
- and you could do exactly that with PC games (and with a little more effort, console games) - just a steam:// url with a token that gives enough info to point to an area or even save game could auto run that game. Stadia should be faster because it's streaming but still doable.
Yeah that would be a killer app for me, there are a lot of simulation games that slow down a lot.
