As a developer I thought the presentation was amazing. It all comes down to if it's laggy, if bandwidth caps allow it, and if their business model is good.
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Google formally unveils the "Stadia" launching in 2019
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I'm just saying that the fact that they announced a stadia store doesn't let you predict their business model or monetization with any certainty. It could be a platform like steam or a subscription model, or both. They haven't clarified it.
No, I believe what I see and know about MS. See my above post.
The controller doesn't need to connect to a display? Someone mentioned that they believed the controller was also streaming hardware. If in fact it is, it needs to connect to a display.
I assume it will require a Chromecast for TV streaming. PC/tablet/phone streaming will likely require the Chrome browser or a dedicated app.
Streaming is to owning a console/games as apartment renting is to homeowning. It's convenient if you have a decent landlord (Google + Comcast...?) but you end up not building equity and wasting money.
What? A Netflix 4K stream is about 8mbps. Double or even triple that up for the additional information needed for a game at 60fps and it's doable depending on the compression.
This is closer to leasing/purchasing a new car or smartphone. There is no equity gained from buying games and consoles that are routinely sold for less than what you originally bought it at.
It connects directly to your router and the datacenter, so whatever device you are using (laptop, Chromecast,etc..) does not have to
These Stadia threads have been fun to read at work today. So many people bitter and confused over a GDC announcement to developers. I for one am interested in where the tech goes, should be a fun year and into next.
Not sure where all the doom and gloom comes from. Not like anyone is being forced to do anything here lol.
Not sure where all the doom and gloom comes from. Not like anyone is being forced to do anything here lol.
I mean. I'm hopeful that that is the case, but even with 100mb connection over Ethernet it still dropped in quality pretty often and the lag was noticable for me.
Still optimistic that this will work smoothly. I swear the potential for it to be exactly what I want, just needs a bit more polish.
Interesting, hopefully it provides the benefit as intended.
I'm definitely looking forward to seeing how this all fares once it's in the hands of consumers.
Yes, let's look at the digitization and realize that it shows how what's released in physical form is now a lot more selective than it used to be. It's a perfect example showing the concern of moving to that method of distribution.
You may be misunderstanding the difference between megabit and megabyte. 8 megabits per second translates to 1 megabyte per second. It is not possible to stream 4K content on a 1 megabyte per second internet connection - it just isnt.
25 megabits translates to just over 3 megabytes per second, which is also absurdly low.
And that's just crazy to me. They want to launch the platform this year, but are getting this late a start in building out their first-party game development? Do they really expect people to buy in to play Assassin's Creed: Odyssey like this is some sort of steal?
Seriously. They had nothing to show or demonstrate regarding their own game development.
This all comes down to how it performs and feels. Could be a game changer.
It seems like Google is putting a lot behind this which is good. They're a huge company and could get this right.
It seems like Google is putting a lot behind this which is good. They're a huge company and could get this right.
Jesus. Without knowing the price or how the games are consumed(sub or purchase), how can anyone pass judgement.
I have zero interest until I learn those things.
I dunno, it sounds good; but it's only going to be as good as the internet connection it's working with. I'm skeptical about it.
I understand how the controller works regarding input. Where is the game displayed? If the game pad send the inputs, then why would it even be necessary to have the web based interface for example if that would be doing the exact same thing.
For example using an Xbone One controller on a PC, the web based app would send all the Xbox controller inputs to the servers. Why would we need then for the Stadia controller to be directly sending the inputs if this is what the app itself does?
... what are you trying to say, then? because a quick Google search shows your original premise is incorrect, even if you were talking about megabits. Netflix requires a minimum of 25 megabits for 4K streaming.
I agree and am also looking fw to DF breaking things down game by game. I'd like to see a core test though not linked to a certain title.
More likely future face offs will be Stadia vs xCloud and those could be really interesting. Google is leveraging the size of their network while Microsoft is leaning into new technology like hybrid processing and AI prediction to lower input lag more than simple bandwidth could. [more about that here]
Interesting times ahead.
Phil Spencer has been numerous times on record that he believes game streaming to be a complementary option and not a physical console replacement.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ph...ditional-consoles-anytime-soon-if-ever.80649/
And thankfully so. Internet connectivity will never be 100% guaranteed to be always available, let alone at ideal speeds; with a 3 second delay being all it takes for me to be killed in a Soulsborne game or drop from 1st to 10th in a racing one I definitely would want to have a traditional PC/console alternative waiting in my home as a failsafe.
Everyone is going to tell you this conference was for the game developers and you, as a consumer, shouldn't even have watched this. But I won't tell you that. I'm going to tell you that Google put on this world wide press conference for EVERYONE to see in order to gain hype and excitement for their service. However they absolutely failed to deliver answers to many questions today, and because of this I walked away very disappointed.
I want to see controller impressions
Wish these companies could make paddles standard already
Wish these companies could make paddles standard already
That's a bad analogy. When you use an Xbone controller on a PC the game runs on that PC and the controller needs to send the inputs to the game, so it sends the data to the PC.
For Stadia the game runs on the server and their controller sends the input directly to the server while on the device with the screen it's just a video streaming app practically, like Netflix kind of, which shows the data sent by the server. So you have two separate data transfers and reduced latency compared to the situation in which the app on the device that has the screen would need to process the inputs from the controller and send them to the server.
I'm sure they'd love to do that. I very highly doubt they'd be allowed to though.
This was exactly as whelming as I expected. On paper nothing has changed since OnLive. Google has money but the same physics are at play.
I too had a 100mbps connection when I tried the beta and it crashed twice on me. And I should note I didn't put any more than 5 hours into it. Smooth as silk when it wasn't crashing though
I understand what he said. 5G could possibly easily fix that in the future, won't believe the 5G stuffs until it's widespread and tested by 10s of millions, but 5G looks like it could solve latency and connectivity issues from what I've heard.
Spencer might not be around when the next console or streaming decision is to be made. And again, MS will do what's best for their bottom line. Of course, fans refusing to buy in can play a role in that decision. Also again, why I said may, not a definitive they will.
Did Onlive have datacenters as spread as Google has in a lot of places in the world? I have a 25ms latency with the closest google datacenter.
We don't know if it's going to catch on and we don't know if the business end of it is actually going to work out in the favor of the console manufacturers. Look at Sony with PSNow, who has basically backtracked on it (removed options, added download to encouraeg people to not stream when they have a PS4 for PS4 games, etc.) Sony has also never mentioned anything relating to the profitability of PSNow.
Obviously MS and Google think it will be big, but that's not some guarantee it will be. All kinds of companies bet big on tech that never actually becomes a standard; that includes Google and Microsoft.