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Actually fuck it, I suggest to nuke this fucking thread already. Shit already started with a terrible argument right at the title.
that's cool, but it's not a huge drop, 40 to 30%?
also from my experience as a Brazilian it's often the case that when some cost drops people will increase their profit more than giving the benefit to the consumer lol
5+ BRL per USD is killing it anyway,
the good old days of 2 or under are a distant memory I guess, I remember buying 50 USD stuff for around 100 BRL that sounds insane now....
also from my experience as a Brazilian it's often the case that when some cost drops people will increase their profit more than giving the benefit to the consumer lol
5+ BRL per USD is killing it anyway,
the good old days of 2 or under are a distant memory I guess, I remember buying 50 USD stuff for around 100 BRL that sounds insane now....
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I think the prices are alright ok this is to separate us mens from the boys ok
Good night
I love that this alt account must be reading this thread now thinking how funny and awesome he was but he is actually just an coward adult hiding himself behind an alt account making the Bolsonaro's voters looking even more pathetic 😂
Isso é errado de tantas formas diferentes, puta que pariu.
Não sei o que mais me entristece, outra cagada desse seboso ou gente esperando qualquer coisa além de circo desse cara.
E só circo porque pelo andar da carruagem, não vai sobrar pro pão.
Não sei o que mais me entristece, outra cagada desse seboso ou gente esperando qualquer coisa além de circo desse cara.
E só circo porque pelo andar da carruagem, não vai sobrar pro pão.
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I said it before but I hope you guys find their alt account too.
This one was from 2018 and they just posted now? Theyve been lurking for a while and likely posting with another account...
The hilarious thing is that idiot is truly thinking this is some amazing decision that will surely mean lower prices for PS5 and Xbox in Brasil. The stupidity of bolsominions never fails to astound me.
Same. That's why I decided to buy a next-gen console right now instead of waiting.
And when nothing changes next year they will pretend that this never happened.
I remember back when I lived in Brazil some friends would travel to the US to buy electronics because it was cheaper to do that than to import anything. Is that still the case?
With the way the dollar is right now, even travelling to the USA is an issue
I think our currency is so undervalued that doing that doesn't give you that much of a price difference. Dependending on how much you pay for your ticket it can even be slightly more expensive. A quick google tells me tickets to Miami are 2400 reais + 500 USD for the new console (2850 reais) which equals to 5250 reais not including tax.
The price of the console here is 5000 reais.
Just dropping in to say Fuck Bolsonaro, thank you.
Also, no amount of video game tax cuts will make prices drop here because Sony, MS and Nintendo don't give a shit and will continue to scalp us. The prices they're charging for their consoles here make absolutely no sense, yet most of us are dumb enough to suck it up and pay for them anyway.
Also, no amount of video game tax cuts will make prices drop here because Sony, MS and Nintendo don't give a shit and will continue to scalp us. The prices they're charging for their consoles here make absolutely no sense, yet most of us are dumb enough to suck it up and pay for them anyway.
The prices nowadays unfortunately make sense due to the Real now being worth nothing, so obviously games and consoles made by companies from other countries will cost a lot. But what you describe there was the case for more than two decades.
I hate this. All of this.
This is nothing but a grab of the gamer crowd and it will just empower them. Nothing will change because of the state of the economy and an R$200 reduction in regards to next-gen console will just make Sony and Microsoft reap the benefits. If you think this will benefit the population and not the companies, you're just stupid at worst and naive at best.
Let's not mention that this focus could be used better elsewhere like in the, uh I don't know maybe the fucking health public service during a global pandemic and the fact that your population can't even buy groceries anymore thanks to the rise in price of everything, especifically rice.
This is just a grab to get the gamer crowd, just like last year when Bolsonaro called CSGO proplayer FalleN to announce the reduction of IPI and FalleN proceeded to get emotional over that shit.
Thank god I refuse to participate in chats with random people in my games because right now it would be insufferable with the Gamer crowd claiming this as a victory.
This is nothing but a grab of the gamer crowd and it will just empower them. Nothing will change because of the state of the economy and an R$200 reduction in regards to next-gen console will just make Sony and Microsoft reap the benefits. If you think this will benefit the population and not the companies, you're just stupid at worst and naive at best.
Let's not mention that this focus could be used better elsewhere like in the, uh I don't know maybe the fucking health public service during a global pandemic and the fact that your population can't even buy groceries anymore thanks to the rise in price of everything, especifically rice.
This is just a grab to get the gamer crowd, just like last year when Bolsonaro called CSGO proplayer FalleN to announce the reduction of IPI and FalleN proceeded to get emotional over that shit.
Thank god I refuse to participate in chats with random people in my games because right now it would be insufferable with the Gamer crowd claiming this as a victory.
Good old times when I bought my PS4 for 1350 just eight months after the launch...
I also bought a PS4 abroad for a similar price around February/March 2014. I knew it would take a long time for the prices in Brazil to reach that level.
Almost 7 years later.... It never did.
They still don't make sense. They sure are less absurd than they were back in 2013, but they're still abusive. I preordered an Xbox Series X because I really want one, but hell do I feel like a clown for paying 5K for a console I know should, at the very most, cost 4K.
Food prices and unemployment rising and this piece of shit worried in cutting game taxes.
Gtfo bolsobosta
Gtfo bolsobosta
To be honest, I expected the official prices to be a LOT worse than they are now, like above R$ 6K or something. Especially considering that a PS4 Pro costs R$ 3K + after the pandemic hit.
Friends are from Belem, so I think the Belem-Miami flights are slightly cheaper but yeah I can see that the currency issues makes this less of a no brainer than it used to be.
Though I guess if you're thinking of taking a holiday anyway it's still a good idea.
I get the frustration, but if you take the US$ cost and convert it to R$, applying taxes, retail margins and whatnot, both Sony and MS are probably losing money selling the machines at R$ 5K. The same goes for the last gen.
Oh, I had pessimistic predictions as well. Thing is, the fact that it wasn't the worst case scenario didn't necessarily made it good. No matter how we look at it, the numbers don't add up. Companies that pay less taxes than the average citizen are pricing their products according to how much said citizen would pay had they imported their console from Amazon US. Sony, MS and Nintendo are making a lot of money on our lack of alternatives.
Aren't these taxes way lower for companies?
Taxes payed by companies aren't the same citizens pay, you also can't really compare both because whenever you import something, you usually import A product. A company import thousands of products, so the scale is completely different.
Let's assume the Series X costs US$ 549 to make. With the US Dollar at R$ 5,68 today, this means each console costs R$ 3.121,45 to Microsoft. Once you import it, you have to pay the import tax at 20%, which makes the Series X cost go up to R$ 3.745 (as a citizen, you'd pay 60% here, but no other tax). Assuming the new IPI at 40%, we are looking at R$ 5.243 per Xbox and we didn't even took into account retailers cut, logistics, local marketing, and other tributes such as PIS, CONFINS and ICMS which may or may not be applied.
I'm not by any means an specialist at this and what I did was only apply the common quotas and tributes that are usually applicable into imported consumer goods. Some of those taxes may not be aplicable in consoles, but even then the final price would hardly make it even for MS and Sony.
I'm also not saying the prices are fair. I'm just being rational, specailly in the socioeconomic evironment in which we live in.
Oh, fuck you Bolsonaro.
It would be something praisable if 1) we weren't in a pandemic and there weren't other priorities, and 2) his government didn't tank the value of real previously to the pandemic.
I won't even enter on the merit over it being substantial change or not, taking the history of how game taxes are handled in here.
And just to give a rough glimpse of the situation of the BRL to USD ratio, which right now influences a lot more, yesterday 1 USD was 5.62 BRL. Today, 1 USD is 5.71 BRL. That is almost 2% increase in a day. I know this is not the norm, and it will hopefully go down (to go up again), but it is just to put things in perspective.
Another thing is that, while he is doing those taxes moves, he is giving things for free, with nothing to gain back, to his beloved boot owner, Trump.
It would be something praisable if 1) we weren't in a pandemic and there weren't other priorities, and 2) his government didn't tank the value of real previously to the pandemic.
I won't even enter on the merit over it being substantial change or not, taking the history of how game taxes are handled in here.
And just to give a rough glimpse of the situation of the BRL to USD ratio, which right now influences a lot more, yesterday 1 USD was 5.62 BRL. Today, 1 USD is 5.71 BRL. That is almost 2% increase in a day. I know this is not the norm, and it will hopefully go down (to go up again), but it is just to put things in perspective.
Another thing is that, while he is doing those taxes moves, he is giving things for free, with nothing to gain back, to his beloved boot owner, Trump.
Thanks for the explanation. It isn't any easier to swallow, but it does make more sense now.
In April 2019 I bought a 1700 USD TV for 5000 Reais, with 1 Dollar converting to around 3.90 Reais back then. I know consoles are taxed differently than other electronics, but it still feels like too much. I try to love our country but damn.
YES.
I want a PS5 as much as anyone, but what about the damn rice prices? It's crazy, and that's something every brazilian is affected.
it's populism for the "gamer" crowd, and upper middle class in general I guess,
one of his sons is even a successful twitch streamer or something,
it's pretty dumb and irrelevant but yeah...
I was reading every comment so far until I got to this particular hottake and thought "hmm maybe I should skip this one".
I just hope this kid learns a thing or two about LIVING IN A SOCIETY.
Are you saying public health isn't payed with hugs and smiles?
he was banned lol
There are ways to do it right, like taking away the taxation group of slot machines and focusing on small taxes to products made here... and los of tax exempts for companies who help produce brazilian games (like a rouanet law)
but yeah, without fixing the dollar this will also not mean much to the ps5 price anyway.... and Guedes (bolsonaro economy minister) have a boner for a insanely high dollar
This part of The Enemy's article is key to all this:
www.theenemy.com.br
I'm too tired to translate now, but it basically means that Bozo is only reducing one category of taxes. Games are still affected by three to four others. And considering the consoles are not manufactured here, this won't be a big reduction.
There's a huge lobby by other industries (that Bozo relies on) to not do anything on these other categories.
Bolsonaro anuncia redução de impostos acima de consoles e acessórios
Imposto sobre Produtos Importados terá alíquota reduzida em três diferentes categorias
www.theenemy.com.br
I'm too tired to translate now, but it basically means that Bozo is only reducing one category of taxes. Games are still affected by three to four others. And considering the consoles are not manufactured here, this won't be a big reduction.
There's a huge lobby by other industries (that Bozo relies on) to not do anything on these other categories.
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It is almost 3 a.m in Rio, can confirm translating would be tiresome...This part of The Enemy's article is key to all this:
Bolsonaro anuncia redução de impostos acima de consoles e acessórios
Imposto sobre Produtos Importados terá alíquota reduzida em três diferentes categorias
I'm too tired to translate now, but it basically means that Bozo is only reducing one category of taxes. Games are still affected by three to four others. And considering the consoles are not manufactured here, this won't be a big reduction.
There's a huge lobby by other industries (that Bozo relies on) to not do anything on these other categories.
O que vocês querem provar com esse argumento de matemática básica?
Matemática básica é que os produtos ficarão mais baratos e ponto, é redução de impostos. Isso vai dar margem para os vendedores que quiserem aplicar um preço menor e pressionar os demais a fazer o mesmo, é concorrência.
Colocar next-gen no argumento, que é um produto com a demanda alta em qualquer lugar do mundo, também não prova que os preços não cairão.
Em resumo - Com redução de impostos a tendência é de queda e não aumento.
Edit: inclusive os preços dos consoles da nova geração pegaram muita gente de surpresa achando que seriam maiores.
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So we are now talking about a 20% tax cut since August 19 and you guys think it won't matter at all?
Tell me how many were surprised to see PS5, Series X and Series S prices when they were announced here. The majority were expecting the prices to be much higher.
About the Real - the actual devaluation is heavily impacted due to covid. It definitely won't get much better in the future.
Better with this tax cut than without it.
While this seems like good news, I have a few concerns:
Despite the huge drop in value of the real since 2013, the next-gen consoles are priced about the same way as the previous ones when they came out: 10 times the dollar value. PS4 was R$3999 and PS5 is R$4999. The Xbox Series X|S and Nintendo Switch (which just got official distribution in Brazil) are also priced the same way.
So what this means is that, while Sony was selling PS4s for about 1700 USD back in 2013 (when the exchange was about 1 USD = 2.3 BRL), it's now selling PS5s for about 900 USD (now the conversion is around 1 USD = 5.5 BRL).
It's a very strange difference. I don't know Sony's motivations for pricing the PS4 so high back then, but it's clear that for the PS5 they decided to eat more of the cost because they knew that pricing a console at nearly R$10k would be a disaster. However, it is also likely that they were betting on this tax cut in order to increase the margin, or at least decrease the loss, on each console sale.
In reality, the real is so weak right now that even if taxes were extremely low, these consoles would still be expensive in Brazil. The absolute best we could expect would be the PS5 and Series X at R$3000 (which is currently the price for the Series S and Switch). This would still be unrealistic for most Brazilian consumers, but it would at least get us closer to other emerging markets, like India, where these devices are expensive considering the country's economic conditions, but not even more expensive than in Europe or the US.
I think that the core of my argument is: reduction in taxes won't make much of a difference if 1) the currency is down the drain and 2) the economic inequality in the country means that any sort of modern technology is reserved to a very small fraction of the population.
Despite the huge drop in value of the real since 2013, the next-gen consoles are priced about the same way as the previous ones when they came out: 10 times the dollar value. PS4 was R$3999 and PS5 is R$4999. The Xbox Series X|S and Nintendo Switch (which just got official distribution in Brazil) are also priced the same way.
So what this means is that, while Sony was selling PS4s for about 1700 USD back in 2013 (when the exchange was about 1 USD = 2.3 BRL), it's now selling PS5s for about 900 USD (now the conversion is around 1 USD = 5.5 BRL).
It's a very strange difference. I don't know Sony's motivations for pricing the PS4 so high back then, but it's clear that for the PS5 they decided to eat more of the cost because they knew that pricing a console at nearly R$10k would be a disaster. However, it is also likely that they were betting on this tax cut in order to increase the margin, or at least decrease the loss, on each console sale.
In reality, the real is so weak right now that even if taxes were extremely low, these consoles would still be expensive in Brazil. The absolute best we could expect would be the PS5 and Series X at R$3000 (which is currently the price for the Series S and Switch). This would still be unrealistic for most Brazilian consumers, but it would at least get us closer to other emerging markets, like India, where these devices are expensive considering the country's economic conditions, but not even more expensive than in Europe or the US.
I think that the core of my argument is: reduction in taxes won't make much of a difference if 1) the currency is down the drain and 2) the economic inequality in the country means that any sort of modern technology is reserved to a very small fraction of the population.
O velho papo de "Nem de direita e nem de esquerda, sou Brasil para frente!"
The prices won't change guys =[.
I would like to consider something. This is the image Sony used in 2013 to justify the PS4's R$3999 MSRP at launch.
Using the exact same math, we would have the following:
2789 BRL direct conversion price (500 USD to BRL)
8088 BRL taxes (about 290% according to Sony)
2844 BRL retailer and distributer (about 101%)
13712 BRL total price
- 8713 BRL PlayStation Discount
4999 BRL suggested retail price.
Even if that 290% of taxes dropped to just 200%, Sony would still be selling the PS5 for less than half the cost at R$4999.
In summary, what the fuck is going on?
Using the exact same math, we would have the following:
2789 BRL direct conversion price (500 USD to BRL)
8088 BRL taxes (about 290% according to Sony)
2844 BRL retailer and distributer (about 101%)
13712 BRL total price
- 8713 BRL PlayStation Discount
4999 BRL suggested retail price.
Even if that 290% of taxes dropped to just 200%, Sony would still be selling the PS5 for less than half the cost at R$4999.
In summary, what the fuck is going on?