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Good news for Brazilians regarding next gen prices!

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Thiago

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Fora Bolsonaro!

Let's see if Sony, MS and Nintendo cut the prices in the coming months. Bad timing, though.
 
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Marano

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Thiago said:
Fora Bolsonaro!

Let's see if Sony, MS and Nintendo cut the prices in the coming months. Bad timing, though.
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Yeah, they shouldve cut taxes before, especially since he promissed it in his campaign.

Oh man it would be sweet seeing a booming gaming industry in Brazil with tons of AAA devs.

Que cortem pelo menos uns 1500 reais ai...

Nunca sera, infelizmente, uruguaiana vai ta mais barato mas sem garantia...

Pro pessoal de SP, santa efigenia mesma coisa.
 
TubaZef

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If there's a cut, it should be very small and the biggest problem right now is the currency, the brazilian real has devalued a lot this year and things don't seem to be getting better.

Also, this is a ridiculous political maneuver being done to get some votes in the mayor elections next month, there are so much more important things to be done right now. Meanwhile, food prices are going up. Fuck Bolsonaro
 
Platy

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IPI is for consoles made here. There are no next gen consoles made here.
So .. it is more of a good news for weird master system fans.
The actual taxes for imported consoles is minimal and looks like it will more increase the profit than decrease the price

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Also, in brazil, videogame taxes are tied to ... slot machines.
And bolsonaro famously want to turn protected florest into a "brazilian cancun" with cassinos
https://www.dw.com/es/el-cancún-de-brasil-frente-al-jardín-de-bolsonaro/a-50332441

Bolsonaros dream of a tourist Paradise | AllInfo

President Jair Bolsonaro wants to transform the nature reserve of Tamoios, South of Rio de Janeiro into a tourist Paradise. However, not all residents can enjoy, Casinos, and party beaches. The Mambucaba beach, a Hand fully enjoys a holiday, the warm rays of the sun of the Brazilian winter. "We...
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Brazil

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Good news my ass. Prices won't change, the margin is virtually nothing.

This move has two purposes:

1 - Give companies more money
2 - Make people say things like "Good news for Brazilians regarding next-gen prices!" with literally no basis in reality
 
Tezu

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Marano said:
Que cortem pelo menos uns 1500 reais ai...
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You do realize that they only reduced 10% of one of the taxes (IPI) and that should cut around R$200,00 at most, right?

Expecting a R$1500 price cut is completely bonkers.

Btw, considering the rise of the dollar to real ratio AND console availability here, there's no way they will cut the PS5 price.
 
kaputt

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Fuck Bolsonaro!

The IPI over consoles was always ludicrous. This should have changed before, but I guess no one cared. Shame this will help Bolsonaro be even more popular with the gamer community, dude knows how to cater to his terrible electorate.

Still not sure if companies will reduce the prices, unfortunately. They might just say that the reduction only diminishes their losses etc
 
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Revolver Oshawott

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Nothing will change.
It's well known that those tax cuts only help to boost the profits of the companies.

EDIT: Also I don't think that cutting the IPI will help on anything since those consoles are not manufactured here.
 
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Marano

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Tezu said:
You do realize that they only reduced 10% of one of the taxes (IPI) and that should cut around R$200,00 at most, right?

Expecting a R$1500 price cut is completely bonkers.

Btw, considering the rise of the dollar to real ratio AND console availability here, there's no way they will cut the PS5 price.
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Agreed, I said nunca sera following that...

Just a dream but oh well what can you do...
 
Belthazar90

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Good news my ass, it will only improve their margins (if at all). Games are already sold at basically the exchange rate so they won't pass the savings to us on that front. As for consoles, 10% IPI is nothing. The thing is, gaming is more expensive than ever here and that's due to that asshole making the our currency the weakest in the entire fucking planet. Fuck Bolsonaro.
 
NeonZ

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Yeah, this is coming too late, considering how devalued our currency is. They'd need to basically end taxes over consoles if they wanted any significant impact at this point and even so we'd still be worse off than a few years ago with higher taxes but a stronger currency.

Following the new rules, the console taxes fall from 40% to 30%. For parts and accessories, taxes fall from 32% to 22%. Arcade machines, equipment that include screens, had taxes reduced from 16% to 6%.
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Maybe if everything had been changed to the new Arcade taxes it would have some impact, but as it stands, this doesn't really improve anything.
 
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Marano

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Brazil said:
Good news my ass. Prices won't change, the margin is virtually nothing.

This move has two purposes:

1 - Give companies more money
2 - Make people say things like "Good news for Brazilians regarding next-gen prices!" with literally no basis in reality
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I dont think this will change prices for launch, but it may be good news going forward if the dollar drops to a more reasonable value, 2021 and beyond.

If not, this will just offset the rising dollar costs...

Hoping for the best.
 
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Marano

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NeonZ said:
Yeah, this is coming too late, considering how devalued our currency is. They'd need to basically end taxes over consoles if they wanted any significant impact at this point and even so we'd still be worse off than a few years ago with higher taxes but a stronger currency.



Maybe if everything had been changed to the new Arcade taxes it would have some impact, but as it stands, this doesn't really improve anything.
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I also believe prices going forward will hinge more on the dollar to real ratio than taxes breaks.

As I said in my last post, hoping for the best.
 
JJD

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Duvido que o preço vai mudar. Bookmark esse post.

O mais hilário é que nosso país tá praticamente quebrado, covid piorou absolutamente tudo (fiscalmente) e Bolsonaro tá renunciando receita para fazer média. Para ter uma idéia do quanto ele é preparado.
 
Honome

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Lol, fucking ridiculous! What's the point of this with the dollar getting close to R$ 6,00??? If the dollar was still R$ 3,00 like it was before "the golpe" we could have a next-gen with a good price at least on the grey market.
 
Yuntu

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Do you guys in Brazil atleast have GamePass (I think atleast its not everywhere yet). I really hope you do.
 
nolifebr

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If the dollar were not so high, I believe that we would see some change in prices (~ R$200 as happened last year).

The fact that still there is a 60% tax to "protect" the national console market when there is none, is a fucking joke.
 
HeRinger

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Brazil said:
Good news my ass. Prices won't change, the margin is virtually nothing.

This move has two purposes:

1 - Give companies more money
2 - Make people say things like "Good news for Brazilians regarding next-gen prices!" with literally no basis in reality
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I'm a little confused here. So the exorbitant taxes shouldn't drop because companies will make more money?

Last year Sony dropped PS4's price less than two weeks after a tax drop. So there is SOME basis in reality.

I mean, it's a terrible government but that doesn't mean we should lament taxes dropping when they are clearly extremely high in Brazil.
 
Chiaroscuro

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Marano said:
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PS5, Xbox Series X e PC com menos imposto: entenda o que pode mudar no preço

Decreto publicado pelo presidente Jair Bolsonaro nesta terça-feira diminui alíquota de IPI sobre consoles e acessórios para games
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Article in portuguese, basically Bolsonaro cut taxes but pricing changes are still dependant on the high dollar to real ratio right now.

Hoping for a cheaper series x...
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Just because his son is into the e-sports business. And at the same time he removing the tax exception for books, which can raise their prices 30%-40%. Way to go, fuck Bolsonaro.
 
Jakartalado

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First of all..... Fora Bolsonaro.

Second..... o que a Michele fez com 89 mil reais?

And third.... this won't change a single digit on the final price. All companies are concerned with the terrible value of the real against the US Dollar.

So don't expect any real cuts in the final price.... at least not for a while. By the way... the stock market just melted today with the third quarter results from the majority of the local companies. Another reason to see another spike in the value of the USD.

Fuck Bolsonaro and this facist government. We can't catch a single break from this moron.
 
Brazil

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HeRinger said:
I'm a little confused here. So the exorbitant taxes shouldn't drop because companies will make more money?

Last year Sony dropped PS4's price less than two weeks after a tax drop. So there is SOME basis in reality.

I mean, it's a terrible government but that doesn't mean we should lament taxes dropping when they are clearly extremely high in Brazil.
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Videogame taxes should absolutely not drop when over half the country is having a lot of trouble buying groceries, no.

Hopefully that clears up any confusion.
 
gabegabe

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Government only cut taxes when they fear they might not get reelect here. When the iPad launched, the government cut, if I'm not mistaken, all taxes of all of the tablets so it could be more popular here. Do you know what happened? The price never got a reduction. That's how things roll here.
 
HeRinger

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Brazil said:
Videogame taxes should absolutely not drop when over half the country is having a lot of trouble buying groceries, no.

Hopefully that clears up any confusion.
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Well, I'm not going to go into an economics discussion because I can already tell we have very different stances on the matter.

What I can say is that there absolutely are basis in reality to expect prices dropping, even if slightly, so none of your two points undermine the thread.
 
riq

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HeRinger said:
I'm a little confused here. So the exorbitant taxes shouldn't drop because companies will make more money?

Last year Sony dropped PS4's price less than two weeks after a tax drop. So there is SOME basis in reality.

I mean, it's a terrible government but that doesn't mean we should lament taxes dropping when they are clearly extremely high in Brazil.
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The tax reduction isn't enough change XSX and PS5 price from luxury item to impulse buy. Sony wouldn't see a significant increase in sales buy cutting R$200 since upper middle class would still be the only ones able to afford it. I don't think even a R$1000 cut would.
Yes, Brazil is absolutely fucked (the country not the person).
 

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Lmao if you think that will make prices drop.

US$ close to 6 R$, food prices skyrocketing and this is the bullshit he's pulling.
 
maouvin

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Platy said:
IPI is for consoles made here. There are no next gen consoles made here.
So .. it is more of a good news for weird master system fans.
The actual taxes for imported consoles is minimal and looks like it will more increase the profit than decrease the price
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IPI goes for imported goods too (unless you import as an individual, which isn't the case for console companies), but even so the bolded above still stands :D

For some context to foreigners: cutting 10% from a tax which represents less than 30% (not 100% sure about this number but shouldn't be too far off) of the final price isn't all the rage, but could (haha) allow companies to maintain the current price while our currency strongly fluctuates (but they already account that in their pricing).
 
t0rment

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The only thing that this reduction will make is to stop the increase of the prices.

The USD/BRL has already increased ~8% since the PS5 price was announced and the outlook is quite poor as well.

What would help with the prices is a decent economic plan, with appropriate fiscal changes so that the rate would decrease in the future, but that's asking too much from our current government.
 
TripaSeca

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10% cut of a $400 import is $40 cut in taxes. In reais: 200. So it'd bring the price from 5k reais to 4.800 reais. Same discount a purchase in cash would give you.

BUT retailers NEVER cut prices at a 1:1 ratio to tax cuts: they always pocket some. So this ridiculous move will take R$100 (US$20) from a price that has jacked up more than $300 because our currency has the worst devaluation in the world BECAUSE of Bolsonaro.

So he fucked us with the literal duplication of the price and now he chips off a small part to be a populist.

And that means LESS revenue for the federal government, already grasping at straws.

Also this:
Brazil said:
Good news my ass. Prices won't change, the margin is virtually nothing.

This move has two purposes:

1 - Give companies more money
2 - Make people say things like "Good news for Brazilians regarding next-gen prices!" with literally no basis in reality
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Edit: to give some perspective to our fellow non-brazilians:

PS4 at launch cost
4x monthly min. wage - official stores
2x monthly min. wage - grey mkt

- PS5 at launch (with 2 tax cuts) cost
5x min wage - official price
4x min. wage - grey mkt

I'd pay R$ 150 for a pre-order on PS4. Now R$ 350.

Wage is the same.
 
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Chaos Sphoenix

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First, nothing good will ever come out from him.

Second, this has ZERO impact on pricing of next gen consoles, as members here already explained why. This move is just a poor excuse to making up "good news" (and people fall for it, unfortunately).

Third, pretty much this:
Jakartalado said:
Fuck Bolsonaro and this fascist government. We can't catch a single break from this moron.
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ZugZug123

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Well, I'm not going to go into an economics discussion because I can already tell we have very different stances on the matter.

What I can say is that there absolutely are basis in reality to expect prices dropping, even if slightly, so none of your two points undermine the thread.
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No, there is no basis in reality at all. Any company will take a reduction in taxes/BOM cost etc... as an opportunity TO INCREASE THEIR MARGINS. Specially on an item that will sell out anyways, so there is no inherent need to decrease price to increase volume sold.
 
IzzyRX

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There's no tax cut that can save us with the dolar sitting at almost 6 reais. This is nothing but a small thing for a headline.

And fuck Bolsonaro and his fascist agenda.
 
itamarfranco

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The title should actually be: "Brazilian economy: LMFAO; pile of hot garbage president try to cater for the Gamer™ audience"

Also: Bolsonaro, vai tomar no cu!
 
ultraluna

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This won't drop prices, and videogames are the last thing this fascist pig should be worrying about. While he pretends that he's reducing taxes on videogames, commodities like rice and soy are doubling in price at supermarkets, all thanks to his shitty economic team. Fuck them all, facada mal dada do caralho.
 
Custódio

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IzzyRX

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ZugZug123 said:
No, there is no basis in reality at all. Any company will take a reduction in taxes/BOM cost etc... as an opportunity TO INCREASE THEIR MARGINS. Specially on an item that will sell out anyways, so there is no inherent need to decrease price to increase volume sold.
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I'm having flasbacks of Dilma and iPad tax cut.
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Only break we will ever catch is electing someone else.

And hopefully not someone worse.
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And the way things going, we're going to have four more years of this fuckery.
Someone save us.
 
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