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Goku giving Cell the senzu bean was one of the fucking dumbest things imaginable. They were fucked if they lost and not in the normal way either. Like he regrets doing it when everyone is getting their ass beat by the Cell jrs and he was ready to go back in and start fighting again when Piccolo tells him Gohan doesn't like to fight.
That should have been the moment the series stopped having Goku give mercy to these villains when they literallt only desire destruction and stop pursuing a fight purely at the cost of everyone else. He doesn't need to be a hero but holy, a character that doesn't learn lessons at all is dumb. That's why everything after Cell is fucking dumb.
No one learns anything at all. It is unbelievable that Gohan after letting his power get to his head and almost dooming earth against Cell would as an adult fuck around even worse.
That should have been the moment the series stopped having Goku give mercy to these villains when they literallt only desire destruction and stop pursuing a fight purely at the cost of everyone else. He doesn't need to be a hero but holy, a character that doesn't learn lessons at all is dumb. That's why everything after Cell is fucking dumb.
No one learns anything at all. It is unbelievable that Gohan after letting his power get to his head and almost dooming earth against Cell would as an adult fuck around even worse.
GT Goku actually got things done. Hell, he blasted Baby into the sun when he tried to escape. Goku was like "Fuck that! You are NOT coming back". He also mocked and completely restrained Cell and Frieza in hell.
It's hilarious how Goku seemed to be more mature after being turned into a kid.
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That lasted for all of a chapter. Vegeta not only loses but he gives the enemy a power up. He even gets blown away by his own Big Bang Attack.
Honestly, if the anime ended it with Vegeta beating Moro, I wouldn't cry.
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Toriyama: I don't want to be here...
Editor: YOU BETTER KEEP DRAWING. Also no one wants an old man and clown as the antagonists! Make younger, cooler, sexier Androids!
Trolling fans?
They're like "Vegeta has finally surpassed you, Goku," Goku says he's going to catch up, then the villain (shockingly) turns the tables, gets stronger, absorbs Vegeta's abilities and blows him away, and Goku powers up.
If we get full Z plagiarism, though, maybe Gohan powers up.
It's continuing? I don't know how well the manga sells, but I'm still surprised. If the anime ever does come back, let us pray it has no trace of this arc or anything Toyotaro.
They almost talked Buu out of it until someone shot his dog.
Was that arc intact in the manga, though? I honestly don't remember. I think they skipped over it entirely with a few panels of recaps.
Not that Goku would have remembered since he's basically Homer Simpson now.
I disagree
Both during the Future Trunks/Zamasu arc and the ToP arc Goku showed no restrain, no patience with universes he saw as enemies.
His stance towards universe 6 and their Sayans mirrored Vegeta's and he saw them more as allies/kinship than enemies and for good reasons. Universe 6 is the only one Universe 7 helps, several times. But not out of stupidity but out of a real bond
He was fully on board with the restoring Universes wish anyway and it's obvious he would have made that one
Goku seems to be expecting the attack though. He isn't shown surprised at all in the panel with Moro attacking.
Around 200k-300k in Japan (it briefly went above that but then dropped again). Those sales are good overall, although not "the official continuation of Dragonball" good. They're still on a completely different level from anything else published by its magazine though (V-Jump).
It's completely within character, and yet that's why it's so unoriginal. Because it's literally Raditz/Freeza/Cell again.
The only way this turns out alright is if it turns out Goku was testing Moro, and since he failed he wipes the floor with him next chapter.
The only way this turns out alright is if it turns out Goku was testing Moro, and since he failed he wipes the floor with him next chapter.
Battle of the Gods, Return of Frieza and Future Trunks are all better than anything DB GT
Didn't Goku mention that SSJ4 kinda Make him more brutal?
Lol, I'm yet to start reading the manga, but I decided to jump in from the volume where the anime ends, looking forward to this shitshow lol
They just released an interview where they said that page 9 (the very next page after the preview) is a "twist/reveal". That coupled with that final panel of Goku tells me that Goku will absolutely dodge/counter. I'm positive he expected Moro to attack and he knew Moro wouldn't be strong enough to take him down, even after being healed.
The anime was definitely the more popular of the two for Super, I wouldn't be shocked if a lot of people are just waiting for the anime to return rather than read the manga. I also noticed, at least in the west, that a lot of people don't seem to know that the manga has gone beyond the anime.
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Fucker going all Aladdin's Cave on us is way worse than the Senzu Bean thing. 🤣
This is so awful.
This is where DB Super lost me. I'd love for the anime to throw the whole arc out. It really does nothing to advance anything forward.
Moro being an enemy that just absorbs energy is already stupid. He absorbs an absurd amount of energy and then fuses with Seven-Three which is just trash. The reusing of the Senzu bean and Goku going MUI on command is only just a part of how bad this is. Moro is now planet Earth in order to contain the power of Merus that he absorbed. And now his defeat threatens the galaxy/universe. This is so bad. This arc should have been minor and probably ended with Goku and Vegeta beating Moro after the Dai Kaio weakened him and brought him back from outer space.
This is where DB Super lost me. I'd love for the anime to throw the whole arc out. It really does nothing to advance anything forward.
If we ended with Vegeta getting the W, I think the arc would have been fine (or at least I would have forgiven some of the meandering). In fact, that's what I hope the anime does, if they adapt it, because this is just garbage.
I do think there are some decent elements: Dai Kaio/Buu being useful (which seems like years ago at this point), revisiting new Namek, Vegeta reconciling with how he acted on Namek, revisiting Yardrat, the Z Fighters sans Goku and Vegeta having to prepare to protect the Earth, Merus, etc.
So the senzu bean was a nothing burger. My only issue is the MUI and goku seemingly able to use it like any transformation. Though, that is what MUI is, right? The anime literally did nothing to explain it so naturally it gets treated like everything else.
I don't even understand the point of using it like that. Unless they depower him after this, he's basically invincible or at the very least way way way ahead of Vegeta and co (again). It was fine when he couldn't control it except in bursts. Like fusion, there was at least a limitation so they don't just "form Voltron" every time at the beginning, but other than sidelining him or having yet another batch of power escalation to infinity, I don't see where they go from here.
Like even if they introduce Broly he's not going to be as strong as Goku.
If MUI is your body moving on pure instinct, wouldn't Goku still mop the floor with Moro even after Moro's random power up, since Goku has WAYYYY more training and battle experience?
That's kind of what happened. The dilemma now is about the Earth.
Agreed. The anime and the manga missed the mark on this. Same with Trunks power up in the anime. I will give the manga credit for not including an ass pull with no explanation.
MUI itself is stupid. It's a state of mind/being. Why on earth would it be a transformation with such a high boost? I typically praise the manga for its power scaling but the way it handled MUI is bad.
He is literally the only way they get out of this situation without the super dragon balls.
Yeah actually. Vegeta could have gotten the W with the spirit fission and actually kept it interesting while saving MUI for another day. Moro doesn't strike me as important enough to the advancement of the series for Goku to be whipping out MUI like that.
MUI shouldn't have come back for a while, I fucking hate that it seems like Goku is able to use it at will now, MUI at will should be end of the whole series stuff, not something that happens right the next arc...
A Whis heel-turn would be great though, with him finally thinking that Goku himself is the biggest threat to the Universe
I mean he definitely is, but even if he is is it Whis's role to do something about it?
SS MUI is the next obvious step (even if the states contradict one another)
Also UI is a permanent state for angels so it's reasonable to assume that once mastered, one can get into it « at will » and Vegeta will obviously catch up off screen