Steam recently got Battlefield 4 which is banned in China because they believe it smears the country's image. Should we expect that to get pulled when Valve realises?
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GoG decides to not publish Devotion after "messages from gamers"
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Steam recently got Battlefield 4 which is banned in China because they believe it smears the country's image. Should we expect that to get pulled when Valve realises?
"We'll also look into porting it on console"
Sony/MS/Nintendo:
lmao
Have you considered reading the article that you yourself posted or is that too much to ask? Or at least the first line?We've been down this road already...
Valve bent the knee a long time ago. And they're not even publicly traded./cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/14228752/Screenshot__757_.png)
Taiwanese horror game Devotion vanishes from Steam after angry Chinese gamers find Winnie the Pooh meme
Developers say the game will return after a quality checkwww.theverge.com
I still don't understand where you are going with the whole rise up comment to be honest.
I was mearly pointing out the hypocrisy that CDPR doesn't get close to the ammount of flak others get for releasing a game in that state.
I agree that it's probably a bad idea to buy anything unseen and you shouldn't trust any companies. But I think it's fair to expect that a product works when you buy it, even CDPR agrees since they ask people to refund it.
I'm basing your stanning on that you're fine that the consumer ends up with a product that is subpar because it's their own fault since they didn't make a informed decision when buying the game.
I think people should make informed decisions, they shouldn't buy things unseen, but at the same time I can fault CDPR and critize them for not giving out last gen versions to outlets, to knowingly releasing a product that is subpar.
I never pre-order games, so this doesn't affect me in the slightest since I have no plans on buying Cyberpunk2077.
But I don't think we are going to agree on anything, and I don't have a computer to post from so I'll leave it at that.
Seems likely, particular with this already being a contentious time for CDPR. If the tweet on the previous page is accurate, saying GOG have no further comment beyond that, I'd lean towards a senior GOG person thinking that or being totally out of the loop and the hammer quickly coming down when they realised it was going to blow up in their face no matter what they did with it.
GOG were probably the only ones willing to put it on their store. The devs probably been wanting to sell their game again since it got pulled, but haven't been succesful. From GOGs side I can only assume negligence and the person who greenlit this probably didn't know about the issues or thought it wouldn't be that big of a deal. CDPR is a master at handling the situation in the most terrible way possible and being very short sighted.
What's your point here?There was a publisher involved.
The Chinese publisher of horror game Devotion has had its business license revoked
Devotion was pulled from sale after drawing ire for an in-game depiction of the Chinese president as Winnie the Pooh.www.pcgamer.com
wonder what the reaction will be when Witcher 4 is announced in a few years....
I never stated that I am "fine that consumers ends up with a product that is subpar because it's their own fault since they didn't make a informed decision when buying the game." I have issue with you continually putting words in my mouth because I'm not 100% praising your initial post when it isn't even relevant to this thread.
I've specifically called out that there are two poignant issues here - CDPR itself obfuscating and misrepresenting that version of the game, and the group of customers who only hold CDPR responsible and don't look towards how they have incredibly made a purchasing decision of not seeing the game they were purchasing. That is NOT in support of companies making "subpar" ie shit games / versions, as should be obvious when I say you shouldn't blindly trust any for profit company as they will do whatever it takes to keep their revenue up, even if that involves misrepresenting / not showing the product that is least desirable.
There are shitty versions of plenty of games, regardless of platform. That is not something you can do much about other than legal challenges / refunds for fundamentally broken products. All people can do is actually look at the product they intend to buy, which you never could do with the old gen version until it released anyway. Folks can go on for years about what CDPR should have done, and indeed that's a conversation of its own
I'm sure many will be happy...
But if you're asking ME? Blizzard's actions have tainted every Blizzard game and announcement since they openly stood against human rights and I have no interest in anything else they announce.
And I imagine I'll feel this way about anything CD Projekt RED shows off.
How infuriating, disappointing, and inexcusably cowardly.
There was a small number of physical copies released in Taiwan that you could try and track down, but realistically, not really.
My point is that the company in "no company will get on the bad side of China" in this case is far more likely to be the Chinese publisher than Valve, especially since the Verge article points out that they wiped their YouTube presence too. If you weren't suggesting that Valve had some kind of behind the scenes hand in this situation then I apologize for quoting you.
itch.io seems to have Hong Kong protest games so that appears to be a viable option for Red Candle.
You know what's the fucked up thing, the devs specifically stated that the physical copies were only meant for Taiwan - and that they didn't want/would not sell to folks outside of the country. I wonder if that was because of the pending GOG deal, and now because of it folks weren't even able to buy the physical copy even if they wanted to?
OK, I am going to say something controversial and yet brave /s.
Corporations do not give a shit about right or wrong, morally or factually.
I am only half serious writing this post but economics is binary, money in and money out.
Businesses only care about maximizing profits and staying in business.
Do not believe anything else. This goes for most bigger companies and especially multinational corporations such as game publishers, auto industry, porn, drugs and so on.
They have no moral compass, they only count profitability. Sure, having a "good standing" counts for more sales and good PR but it is secondary to profit.
No company is your friend.
To a degree companies are also molded by the culture of their originating country. For example CDPR is based in Warsaw Poland. Let me ask you: have you checked recently of how the political climate and opinion is swaying in Poland?
Poland in 2020 restricted abortion for women, they have had a pretty heavy swing towards right wing politics. How would that reflect the cultural output right now? Does not seem very LGBTQ+ friendly to me, see Cyberpunk trans phobia controversies.
Anecdotally Poland is not very progressive when it comes to views of feminism and there is corruption in the country.
Therefore I am not surprised int he least that they would accommodate the wishes of the Chinese government.
This goes not only for CDPR, but for most of the companies that are championed on this site and others.
I am no better by the way owning multiple pieces of electronics and clothing for companies with a pretty bad track record. Ironically though I have never bought a product from CDPR, and I never will.
Corporations do not give a shit about right or wrong, morally or factually.
I am only half serious writing this post but economics is binary, money in and money out.
Businesses only care about maximizing profits and staying in business.
Do not believe anything else. This goes for most bigger companies and especially multinational corporations such as game publishers, auto industry, porn, drugs and so on.
They have no moral compass, they only count profitability. Sure, having a "good standing" counts for more sales and good PR but it is secondary to profit.
No company is your friend.
To a degree companies are also molded by the culture of their originating country. For example CDPR is based in Warsaw Poland. Let me ask you: have you checked recently of how the political climate and opinion is swaying in Poland?
Poland in 2020 restricted abortion for women, they have had a pretty heavy swing towards right wing politics. How would that reflect the cultural output right now? Does not seem very LGBTQ+ friendly to me, see Cyberpunk trans phobia controversies.
Anecdotally Poland is not very progressive when it comes to views of feminism and there is corruption in the country.
Therefore I am not surprised int he least that they would accommodate the wishes of the Chinese government.
This goes not only for CDPR, but for most of the companies that are championed on this site and others.
I am no better by the way owning multiple pieces of electronics and clothing for companies with a pretty bad track record. Ironically though I have never bought a product from CDPR, and I never will.
Yeah, it would be nice if they released the game on itch.io so it could at least be available. I think that releasing exclusively on itch.io is commercial suicide, but it's better than absolutely nothing.
Chinese or not, this is the reason we don't have and will never have games with any serious political discussion or commentary about real issues.
There's always a small publisher willing to go the extra mile for books, or authors self-publish now. But for videogames, you have to be on the popular storefronts to sell.
There's always a small publisher willing to go the extra mile for books, or authors self-publish now. But for videogames, you have to be on the popular storefronts to sell.
I mean, duh? People need to send messages by not buying things made by shitty companies. It's the only thing they care about.
No, that's what I was suggesting. There is no publisher anymore and if they can self publish on GOG then I don't see what would prevent them from self publishing on Steam, except for Valve. Valve is much more sensible and has better due diligence so they wouldn't put themselves in a terrible situation like this and handled it behind the scenes. Valve isn't going to screw themselves over by selling this game for no reason. No company is. You'd have to be compeletly brainless to sell this game on your store if you have any presence in China.
Agreed, but that will not be happening anytime soon if sales of Cyperpunk or other products are an indication.
Selling one copy on itch.io is still selling more than the zero copies they are selling right now.
I was talking about the original takedown. I have no clue wtf the circumstances are with this re-release since it appears to be a complete clusterfuck, but since Valve already bends over backwards for the CCP it would be far simpler to just not sell the game in China. I believe historically there was some kind of exploit that let Chinese users use international Steam, but they've been trying to get a government approved version out for a while which will surely censor a huge percent of games on Steam for other reasons.
I suppose it's possible that someone pushed for it being banned everywhere as some kind of power play, but as of now there's no real evidence to suggest that. Especially when exposing it gives GOG an opportunity to position themselves as the Good Guys.
I am not so mad they caved to the CCP and had to walk back releasing the game to not get blocked in China and lose however much money they make there, but putting the blame on some "unidentified customers" instead of being honest on the reason for the walk back is really bad. We all know why you caved in, CDPR!!
The game released on PC in the past so yeah, but not legally.
Not surprised about the ban - I was more surprised Red Candle were giving it another shot and not expecting "gamers" *cough*CCP*cough* to try to drag it down again.
Really disappointed for them. They're just trying to release a passion project but just can't catch a break. The exposure of Taiwanese culture and history in Detention was awesome to see and, if there is any silver lining, hopefully it also brings the world's attention to the plight of Taiwan's political suppression by the CCP.
Really disappointed for them. They're just trying to release a passion project but just can't catch a break. The exposure of Taiwanese culture and history in Detention was awesome to see and, if there is any silver lining, hopefully it also brings the world's attention to the plight of Taiwan's political suppression by the CCP.
It's probably been mentioned before but if you guys want to support the dev of Devotion they have another game on Steam and Switch (not sure about other platforms but the game is probably there too) called Detention and it's a good 2d horror game.
Are you sure it's because of netizens, or bots? Or just one strongly worded letter?
Honestly with the 5 hour turnaround I think internally someone realized how it might affect their bottom line in regards to Cyberpunk selling.