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Godzilla vs Kong Spoiler Thread
- Thread starter Star-Lord
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Really? Didn´t they literally use the Fukushima nuclear tragedy as a plot point in the first film :D
yeah, but Shin Godzilla isn´t from Legendary Pictures. I think it´s somehow more appropriate if a japanese studio does it to themselves than an american one :D
Same really not a fan of the whole conspiracy theorist had things right thing.
Yeah, it made me uncomfortable, especially after the Capitol riots.
"Dude, you need a Tic-tac."
It did, but there's other places in the world you can have Kaiju blow up that won't risk upsetting people :)
I do remember some push back at the time of Godzilla's 2014 release over the Fukushima stuff.
Before then you had/have birther psychos and 9/11 truthers and so on. That seems like a huge difference from like Roswell/Area 51/etc. conspiracy nut
Character paranoid over monsters or aliens or demons or secret agency or MIB discovering monsters, aliens, demons, etc. are real isn't a QANON thing
The difference between 2014 Godzilla and Shin Godzilla is subtext. Which is to say: the American movie doesn't understand the concept, given that it literally opens with a Japanese nuclear plant getting hit by an earthquake. Whereas Shin Godzilla's satirical bureaucratic fumbling echoes the events of 2011 rather than copy the inciting incident literally.
I do wish we got some more info regarding Kong worshippers and Godzilla worshippers and what happened.
I'd love to see a sequel with flashbacks showing an alien race coming and mostly wiping out the hollow Earth civilization with Ghidorah and Megalon and make Gigan from MechaGodzilla parts (in the present). All this triggered by Kong/Monarch/Apex opening their tomb/unlocking access to the outer Earth yadda yadda.
Would also be nice to see Godzilla's evolution post hollow Earth exodus showing how mankind's wars and nuclear weapons created the Earth protector he became.
Flesh out the star, dang it!
I'd love to see a sequel with flashbacks showing an alien race coming and mostly wiping out the hollow Earth civilization with Ghidorah and Megalon and make Gigan from MechaGodzilla parts (in the present). All this triggered by Kong/Monarch/Apex opening their tomb/unlocking access to the outer Earth yadda yadda.
Would also be nice to see Godzilla's evolution post hollow Earth exodus showing how mankind's wars and nuclear weapons created the Earth protector he became.
Flesh out the star, dang it!
Ya know, the hollow earth shit bugs the hell out of me, and it's entirely because it's called "hollow earth" and not some random sci fi shit. It feels like it's giving credence to IRL wackjobs going on about flat earth hollow earth lizard people etc. Remove that framing and I'd be into it, to a point. It kinda needed its own movie tbh, "the land of monsters," instead of just being a waypoint in a larger plot. Let "where are these monsters coming from" be a question mark and finally discovered, not this "hollow earth hollow earth" conspiracy theory stuff woven through the last three flicks.
Cast definitely needed some slimming, bloated script when it came to characters. If they condensed some of them down, the remaining characters probably would have made greater individual impacts. As they are, they're mostly equally bland across the board. Characterization and utility spread too thin.
Eiza González's cringy CEO daughter should have been cut, completely unnecessary character. Plot changes zero percent if you just have the Apex miltia do their job without her dumb commentary.
Julian Dennison's bayformers-esque sidekick should have been cut, completely unnecessary character. Plot changes zero percent if Brian Tyree Henry and Millie are working together without him. And I do not appreciate those characters existing to legitimize conspiracy bullshit like government fluoride and the Illuminati.
Skarsgård's entire role could have been handled by Rebecca Hall's character with only minor tweaks to the plot. Or the other way around.
What even was Ren Serizawa? That character could have probably replaced/absorbed Demián Bichir's Apex CEO character.
The only character that seems both relevant, utilized and likable in this movie is Kaylee Hottle's Jia. She's the audience conduit with which the movie humanizes Kong to allow a monster to more easily be a protagonist. And she's cute & unique.
Eiza González's cringy CEO daughter should have been cut, completely unnecessary character. Plot changes zero percent if you just have the Apex miltia do their job without her dumb commentary.
Julian Dennison's bayformers-esque sidekick should have been cut, completely unnecessary character. Plot changes zero percent if Brian Tyree Henry and Millie are working together without him. And I do not appreciate those characters existing to legitimize conspiracy bullshit like government fluoride and the Illuminati.
Skarsgård's entire role could have been handled by Rebecca Hall's character with only minor tweaks to the plot. Or the other way around.
What even was Ren Serizawa? That character could have probably replaced/absorbed Demián Bichir's Apex CEO character.
The only character that seems both relevant, utilized and likable in this movie is Kaylee Hottle's Jia. She's the audience conduit with which the movie humanizes Kong to allow a monster to more easily be a protagonist. And she's cute & unique.
They coulda scrapped the entire hollow earth plot and just had Kong find that chamber and ax on Skull island.
My vote for most cringy lines in the entire movie:
It's like a robot godzilla!
No...it's MECHA godzilla!
thanks?
It's like a robot godzilla!
No...it's MECHA godzilla!
thanks?
If anything the movie should spent more time there so we could get some crazy ass fights.
Worked for me, reminded me of the English dub of the original Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla. "You could call it a Mechagodzilla."
Actually really glad they dropped his name, there's a lot of people unfamiliar with Godzilla characters.
So are going into another dark age of no Kaiju films. Man 2014 was a glorious time. Pacific Rim, Godzilla, Shin.
Afaik Toho has been planning the next live action Godzilla movies for a bit, but COVID obviously delayed things.
Tho from what I read they want it to be their MCU, so hopefully they don't take the wrong lessons.
Well we do have the Godzilla anime soon, and Toho might reboot Godzilla again at some point. They announced something called "World of Godzilla" a few years ago, not sure if they still plan on doing it or not.
Outside of that we just have to hope this films success leads to more films in the Monsterverse.
I really love chunky thicc boy lifter G. Sad to think this the last we will see of him.
I was expecting a dumb movie but this was even dumber than I expected. Lol. But I guess it's somewhat entertaining. I think KOTM had the cooler monsters but this has better fights. Not too happy with Godzilla basically being sidelined though. I wish they'd finish off mecha Godzilla with a tag team move or something.
Feels more like an assist to me. Should have been a full blown tag team finisher or something stupid. Lol.
I hope Toho and Legendary work out a deal thats a little more mutually benefitial. I'd also like to see the Monsterverse continue.
I wonder if Legendary and WB are thinking the same thing since it sounds like GvK is gonna have a solid box office.
Thicc G is best G. He's built like a fucking tank.
Love that part where he's down on all fours going after Kong like a fucking Komodo.
Totally as someone who loves his deadlifts, I appreciate G attention to leg day. 😍
If by some miracle we get another installment, they better bring Wingard back. Dude watched every single Godzilla and Kong film and it showed.
Im curious what Toho movie would look like post Shin, Legendary.
And lose Kong's castle? No way.
I can imagine an ancient society of Kong's ruling hollow earth always on lookout for Godzilla.
Naw if you really want the best you bring Jordan Vogt-Roberts back. He also had the good visible action, but also maintained the sense of scale, kept the story relatively unconvoluted, and made the human characters tolerable.
Wingard only managed one out of those four things. One and a half at best.
Considering that GvK kind of introduced the idea of man fucking around with kaiju biology a little, Biollante seems like a logical next step.
I also just want another Biollante movie because Biollante is fucking awesome and one of the most intimidating looking monsters.
When you're out here making Godzilla look small in comparison, you mean business.
Exactly. Biollante and Hedorah with a Hollywood budget would be fucking terrifying.Considering that GvK kind of introduced the idea of man fucking around with kaiju biology a little, Biollante seems like a logical next step.
I also just want another Biollante movie because Biollante is fucking awesome and one of the most intimidating looking monsters.
When you're out here making Godzilla look small in comparison, you mean business.
They kind of screwed up, and cut all of Godzilla's original subtext for the Monsterverse, opting to make being some ancient monster where's a nuclear sub woke him up instead of him being a man made accident created from the atomic bomb.
It's not as bad as Zilla 98, but American films are still scared to use his original atomic origins as his backstory and really delve into it. That choice definitely hurt his American films in the long run considering he can't even be a good guy anymore since Kong exists now. I really wish they would have went all in of the anti hero/villain Godzilla in the 2014 film.
Pacific Rim was in 2013 was it not?
I do suspect that it was the film that kickstarted the Western kaiju movies though. Guillermo Del Toro very openly talked about having ideas for having a potential crossover with Godzilla, both of which were being produced by Legendary.
As clunky as it's execution may have been, I really like the idea of the Hollow Earth. They honestly could have made a film out of that plot point alone. It also opens up some more possibilities if they decide to continue the franchise with Kong.
So far the only hint is the shit ton of money this is raking in and that it's resurrecting the box offices.
That's a good enough sign for me! I imagine the Godzilla rights might be difficult to maintain but maybe at least a Kong sequel?
I liked the monsters fighting. Hollow Earth was neat. The human stuff with the scientists was okay. The Demian Bechir / Mechagodzilla setup was okay. The MBB/BTH plot was pretty bad though and the movie would have been better off without it. Why was Kyle Chandler in this.
I love the Hollow Earth thing because it's just about the dumbest thing I've ever heard and that enhances the giant ape fighting a radioactive dinosaur to me. It just fits the vibe so well I love it.
Given all the weird ancient civilizations and alien civilizations that show up in Godzilla films the Hollow Earth stuff is tame to me.
If you removed everything with Eleven, Ricky Baker, and low-key copy of the guy who goes "I ate the whole plate!" in Transformers, then I might feel like rewatching this movie some day. With them in, I don't think I will ever watch it a second time.
I thought hollow earth land was neat but underutilized
the finally arrive at their destination and then they turn around like 30 seconds later, wished they had a good reason to spend more time down there since it's more interesting that most of what's going on at the surface with millie
the finally arrive at their destination and then they turn around like 30 seconds later, wished they had a good reason to spend more time down there since it's more interesting that most of what's going on at the surface with millie
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