Those people don't think it's amazing.
At least I think that's how it works.
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Godzilla: King of the Monsters Reviews - Long Live the King
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Those people don't think it's amazing.
At least I think that's how it works.
I feel the same way as you, though I don't know if we agree on specifics.
I enjoyed it.
Kong > King Of The Monsters > Godzilla
I thought this was pretty damn good. I liked 2014, so YMMV. There's tons of monster action, and some is hard to see for sure, but a ton of it is perfectly visible. Sure, there's no long take of two guys in CGI rubber suits just throwing down for ten minutes, but if you expected that you definitely had the wrong idea. I thought the middle was a little slow but overall didn't mind the plot or characters either.
Look at the critics score vs the audience. People are loving this movie and ultimately that's what matters. I just got back from watching it and people were cheering/clapping A LOT.
This movie will have good wom and it'll put a lot of people on seats. I enjoyed it more than Godzilla 2014 but I feel G14's cinematography was way better.
This movie will be fine.
This movie will have good wom and it'll put a lot of people on seats. I enjoyed it more than Godzilla 2014 but I feel G14's cinematography was way better.
This movie will be fine.
I don't know how much weight you can put into an audience score after a day or two. You are probably getting a lot of the most hyped/die hards seeing it by that point. It's like 1000 reviews. Not inconsequential, but Godzilla 2014 (which has a lower audience score than critic score) has like 175,000 reviews. We'll see if that kind of number holds for King of the Monsters.
I didn't know it was possible to write dialogue this consistently bad line to line unless your name was Tommy Wiseau. God damn. Makes John. P Quicksilver from the last movie look like a well developed character.
And it was like they were so busy coming up with fan masturbation from old godzilla movies that they could cram into this movie that they forgot to include an original movie in here too. It was just some nerd's greatest hits. They had one original thought in this movie and it was my favorite part.
For some reason the monarch organization is star trek now? I guess because that's what happened in some of the older japanese ones, and for no other reason. Flying around in make believe superjets with glowing futuristic hallways of rock compartments. Not to mention their mothra force fields. Just completely lost touch with any semblance of reality.
And glasses jokes guy is just the intolerable jurassic world shithead all over again.
At least the monster fights were cool. When you could see them. They obscured them so much it made me wonder if they were doing it to hide rushed cgi which usually looked worse than 2014 and lacked the same weight.
Just amature hour all around. No tension. Made me wonder which high school kid they found to write the movie. I would say at least 85% of the dialogue is cringy cliche bullshit only a teenager could think is adequate. That "oh my god...zilla" from the commercial was the biggest clue that I didn't want to believe. I want to preemptively fire Dougherty from his next project and send him to his room to think about what he's done.
I'm an enormous godzilla fan and I usually enjoy the cheese. But this had the cheese without the same charm.
My main positive takeaway is that when humans keep their mouths shut things are allowed to get kinda cool. My boy Rodan back on the big screen. Mothra lookin fine. Ghidorah looking monstrous. See it for the monster fights if you're into that, the artists put in work. As a fan of this stuff I don't regret it, but they sure tried to make me. Made me miss Gareth.
Music was pretty cool too.
Oh but skip the 3D for sure. I went 3D because I was hoping it would take advantage of the sense of scale with the monsters. Half the time I could hardly even tell it was in 3D. Poor post conversion.
I'm glad Godzilla vs Kong has a different director and writers. I'll be back, supporting my boys again.
And it was like they were so busy coming up with fan masturbation from old godzilla movies that they could cram into this movie that they forgot to include an original movie in here too. It was just some nerd's greatest hits. They had one original thought in this movie and it was my favorite part.
For some reason the monarch organization is star trek now? I guess because that's what happened in some of the older japanese ones, and for no other reason. Flying around in make believe superjets with glowing futuristic hallways of rock compartments. Not to mention their mothra force fields. Just completely lost touch with any semblance of reality.
And glasses jokes guy is just the intolerable jurassic world shithead all over again.
At least the monster fights were cool. When you could see them. They obscured them so much it made me wonder if they were doing it to hide rushed cgi which usually looked worse than 2014 and lacked the same weight.
Just amature hour all around. No tension. Made me wonder which high school kid they found to write the movie. I would say at least 85% of the dialogue is cringy cliche bullshit only a teenager could think is adequate. That "oh my god...zilla" from the commercial was the biggest clue that I didn't want to believe. I want to preemptively fire Dougherty from his next project and send him to his room to think about what he's done.
I'm an enormous godzilla fan and I usually enjoy the cheese. But this had the cheese without the same charm.
My main positive takeaway is that when humans keep their mouths shut things are allowed to get kinda cool. My boy Rodan back on the big screen. Mothra lookin fine. Ghidorah looking monstrous. See it for the monster fights if you're into that, the artists put in work. As a fan of this stuff I don't regret it, but they sure tried to make me. Made me miss Gareth.
Music was pretty cool too.
Oh but skip the 3D for sure. I went 3D because I was hoping it would take advantage of the sense of scale with the monsters. Half the time I could hardly even tell it was in 3D. Poor post conversion.
I'm glad Godzilla vs Kong has a different director and writers. I'll be back, supporting my boys again.
I legitimately might burn an A-List reservation this week just so I can give this a negative review on Rotten Tomatoes. (I saw it at a theater that doesn't ticket through Fandango) It's that bad. A black mark on Godzilla 2014 and Skull Island (two legitimately spectacular movies).
you need to be verified now for audience score, so I don't imagine we'll get that many reviews for KotM. Should wait till few days for sure tho.
I wish I could vote it (watched it in Indonesia), I'd give it positive review to balance out Mushroomer25's XD
I feel like the audience score for franchises with a dedicated fanbase are always a bit inflated.
If we go by personal experience, me and my whole group were extremely disappointed and it was the first time in my life that I heard booing in a cinema.
I am happy for everyone that enjoyed the film, but I fell like it's not a venom-level of critics/audience dissonance.
such is the folly of democracy
Jokes aside, I am curious to see what the Cinemascore/Audience score on this is. My audience seemed fairly bored by it, without much of a reaction at the biggest action beats. Can't imagine it does that well.
It will never be not funny to me that when a movie is reviewed positively, but audience scores are low the comments are "LOOK AT THOSE TROLLS HATING ON A GREAT MOVIE". Yet whenever the opposite happens it's the critics that are wrong.
This had Transformers disease, the overemphasis on human characters when I came to see some monsters throw down. The writing was just pitiful and Vera Farmiga phoned it in hard.
When the action went down, it was mostly good, just never delivered on the promises that the marketing seemed to be making. In any case, Kong vs. Godzilla is the main event so roll on with that.
When the action went down, it was mostly good, just never delivered on the promises that the marketing seemed to be making. In any case, Kong vs. Godzilla is the main event so roll on with that.
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You realize between then and now they implemented verified user reviews
1000 user reviews is very low, aladdin is at 25k for reference
The characters in Shin were abysmal. Were they even characters? Just interchangeable talking heads at incessant meetings.
All of them? Because there were A LOT, and they all served a purpose for the shared goal of human preservation to an actual imposing and unstoppable threat. It wasn't just a blend of one note quip junk or lame Thanos inspired villains. The movie had focus. The cast of Shin Gojira was intelligently broke into buckets, each with several standouts, and all set to reach the primary objective in different ways that wasn't completely unrealistic and insane.
Those buckets included political/ministry/admin (the prime minister), science and environmental divisions (each with representatives and some goofy standouts, especially in the science department), representatives of foreign and domestic affairs (with two characters especially sharing some great chemistry), journalism, military, and civilian. I can see that you might be "abysmally disappointed" that they might not be designed in a way that you personally find enjoyable. There's no distinct lead, but It wasn't designed in that way, which to me made it much more interesting and unique. The Prime Minister maybe could be your "Conan," as he's the character you get inside his head for a good part of the first act, but the director was explicitly simulating a larger scale event, and well, you remember what happened to the prime minister...At least he didn't get the Sally Hawkins treatment though, right?
What we got in KOTM was two things: an airplane chock full of plot synopsis and wasteful expository dialog, and then Eleven from Stranger Things running away from mustache twirling British man with a mind control McGuffin. Shin created a diverse network of characters, instead of a heavy reduction and oversimplification to race to the credits.
I would say it requires some attention, which may cause some to have a harder time following but saying the characters are "all the same" in Shin is pretty disingenuous. I wouldn't want to imply that you think all Asians look the same to you, but the cast was far FAR more complex than you give it credit for, and designed in such an elaborate and intricate fashion. They didn't need to be action heroes. Talking is fine and the quality of that dialog is what makes good Godzilla movies good (like Shin Godzilla), and bad Godzilla movies bad (like KOTM).
I get where you're coming from, I just disagree with the premise.
My wife and I enjoyed it for what it was, but we both agreed that the human plots were very paper thin. The downside is that, compared to GODZILLA (2014), I think this is a downgrade. Say what you will about the first film, but it had a sense of scale and awe that KotM just couldn't replicate. The cinematography in the first film was breathtaking, whereas it wasn't anything special in this film. Admittedly, I had really high hopes going into this film - and ultimately, I had a good time with it - but there's a nagging feeling in the back of my head that this could have been even cooler with a better director.
Looking at the director for GODZILLA VS KONG, I'm worried the same thing will happen there. Not sure how Adam Wingard landed that job, especially after directing the atrocious DEATH NOTE film.
Looking at the director for GODZILLA VS KONG, I'm worried the same thing will happen there. Not sure how Adam Wingard landed that job, especially after directing the atrocious DEATH NOTE film.
2014 felt a bit more weighty in terms of the human drama but this straight up feels like the 80s/90s style cheesy Zilla movies with a western cast and a bigger budget. Dumb but I still had fun.
Watched it last night. This movie delivers on the action, in fact it goes straight to it within the first twenty minutes probably. Such a huge contrast compared to the 2014 film. It is true that the human side of the movie doesn't really shine. You have a basic plot, and they make some questionable decisions too. Still, I came in to watch monsters fight and it delivered. I was surprised to see more than one show up though, did not expect that.
Probably the same weight you can put on critic reviews. They mean nothing really, either someone enjoys it or they don't because we all like different things.
Very rare I agree with critics these days and critic reviews make no difference to if I see a movie or not, I like to make my own mind up. I certainly don't agree with the critic reviews on this one, I really enjoyed the movie and well worth the trip to the local IMAX. It has some minor issues but nothing that ever came close to stopping me being really entertained. I cannot wait to see it again this weekend, that's how much I liked it.
Plan on seeing it in 4DX as well, as I hear it's a blast for this one and makes the most of the 4DX experience.
My audience was pretty cold and disperse, but even not liking it I hope this movie makes money. I need this franchise to keep going
Loved it. Big dumb loud fun. Huge step up from the last one that tried to be gritty realistic crap.
This reminded me a bunch of Independence Day 2. Everyone was everywhere all over the world at all turns and it was just so boring in between spots of good. You could have sliced 40 minutes out and it would h e been pretty solid but it was a big let down. The monsters were cool but I can't watch this again. 2014 was way better even having less.
Great movie, a lot of crowd pops at certain scenes.
Actually having enjoyable people and not boring Aaron Taylor Johnson made the film much better than 2014.
Easily the best version of the big 4 to ever hit the screen. First time in 35 years I actually enjoyed Mothra
Actually having enjoyable people and not boring Aaron Taylor Johnson made the film much better than 2014.
Easily the best version of the big 4 to ever hit the screen. First time in 35 years I actually enjoyed Mothra
Shin was filled with pitical nonsense, cool that you enjoy sitting through bureaucracy but that shit couldn't be more unappealing. Wasting time on a bunch of yes men and legal mumble jumbo.
I get it's poking at what happened in Japan with the reactor but as someone watching a Godzilla film, that shit could have either been heavily trimmed or just fast forwarded past.
The story/characters were nonsense in this flick, which only bothered me because the monster stuff also wasn't that great. Part of what I loved about Godzilla 2014 was its majestic scope, how the camera treated Godzilla as something to be feared and respected, a true force of nature, a god among us. There's very little of that here, it's way more campy and traditional kaiju. Which is fine, I guess, but a huge source of my disappointment was the radical shift in tone, and the way the creatures suddenly just became toys to toss around a sandbox.
It was a Godzilla film in the sense of being a "Godzilla (1954)" film, updating that narrative from commentary on nuclear arms fears and aftermath of Hiroshima/Nagasaki to commentary on the Fukushima disaster.
Man I wonder how much would the film be remembred for, if Walter White hadn't dumped an oscar worthy performance in a broom closet.
This is more or less my take as well. Big let down compared to 'zilla '14.
I dunno what else to tell you, other than that's what Godzilla movies are when they are considered "good." Hubris, the inability to act, the moment of reflection on ones own actions or inactions...you know, a story. A reason to exist outside of, "wow he punched the monster and now I will clap."
These are core principles and messages from the franchise that could easily slide into Hollywood schlock if done poorly (see: KOTM).
These are great even if the average joe kind of has to squint more to really see them haha
I thought Godzilla '14 was decent but man, seeing the reviews / RT go from that to this is pretty disheartening. I've also read a lot of comments online of people taking glee about the bigger emphasis on monster fights (especially people who were vocal in their dislike of GZ '14) but based on what I've read about its projected opening weekend, it seems that won't matter much if audiences aren't interested in this movie. Honestly hurts too, given the incredible trailers.
Between this, PR: Uprising, and JW: Fallen Kingdom, it feels like Legendary doesn't understand how to make good sequels to their recent spate of monster / Kaiju movies. While Fallen Kingdom was able to gross a billion regardless, it seems like it's going to eventually catch up with them. At least Godzilla vs. Kong seems to have a different director and writer on board, so maybe that might buck the trend. I dunno. :[
Between this, PR: Uprising, and JW: Fallen Kingdom, it feels like Legendary doesn't understand how to make good sequels to their recent spate of monster / Kaiju movies. While Fallen Kingdom was able to gross a billion regardless, it seems like it's going to eventually catch up with them. At least Godzilla vs. Kong seems to have a different director and writer on board, so maybe that might buck the trend. I dunno. :[
The humor was very strange, too. All the jokes fell utterly flat. Even attempting humor felt in contrast to the world Edwards set up? It made sense in Kong because it was so purposely going for a different tone/approach, idk.
wait .. no ... come on .. :(
I saw a youtube non-spoiler review where the guy said there's a lot of fights.
Is the camera treating Godzilla something to be feared just a way of justifying why we don't see a lot of Godzilla in the 2014 movie?
The fights really only make up 20% of the film
Yeah there's more monster action than in G'14, but it is also constantly interrupted by nonsense
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Look at the bridge scene from that movie. There is a terror to that scene that isn't ANYWHERE in King of the Monsters, which is basically a post ID4-Emmerich movie. I say post ID4 because part of what makes ID4 work, besides the spectacular visuals, is how fun it is to root for all the different characters. People don't give that movie enough credit for that being such a huge part of why it holds up. King of the Monsters is really lacking that.
I actually don't have a problem with the amount/lack of Godzilla in the 2014 movie, but even if I grant that...
Look at the bridge scene from that movie. There is a terror to that scene that isn't ANYWHERE in King of the Monsters, which is basically a post ID4-Emmerich movie. I say post ID4 because part of what makes ID4 work, besides the spectacular visuals, is how fun it is to root for all the different characters. People don't give that movie enough credit for that being such a huge part of why it holds up. King of the Monsters is really lacking that.
i genuinely enjoy Zilla 14 but yeah, he set the bar. I can't see the series going back that going off of KOTM. I know people are divided on what they want from a Kaiju flick but I've always felt that the best ones really sell the level of destruction and weight of it all through the human drama.
My only other friend who is a kaiju friend said how he LOVED the showing tonight, with the familiar take on how it felt like a Showa movie. He usually gets pretty hyped for these things but was absolutely floored by it....
Guess I will have to wait till tonight to see how I feel!
Guess I will have to wait till tonight to see how I feel!
