To be fair I dont know why you cant merge consecuitve post or erase em in Era :/OP needs to learn how to use multiquote instead of being a spammer lol.
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God of War is probably the boldest, most radical reimagining of an established series ever
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God of War is amazing and deserves all the superlatives, but let's not be prisonners of the moment...
Resident Evil 4 remains to this day the boldest and most reimagining of a franchise.
Resident Evil 4 remains to this day the boldest and most reimagining of a franchise.
Barely!! It went from one type of action game to another type of action game. It isn't a puzzle game! It's not a strategy game, or a story-driven game that isn't centered around hacking away at enemies.
What would the equivalent shift look like in film? Brosnan-era Bond to Casino Royale, maybe. But who would call that bold and radical? It was a different direction, sure. Maybe hyperbolic critics would call it bold, but I wouldn't....
GoW follows the same structure as before. The gameplay is mechanically different but the core of it's the same - kill enemies to progress. There are countless ways to tell a story and the biggest budget video games all tell it the same way, and I'm not talking cutscenes or the talking while walking, but instead by what you're doing when you're pressing buttons on the controller - slashing things up and cracking skulls. I refuse to use the word bold or radical to describe another iteration on that formula no matter how good that iteration is.
Oh really? What was the old genre, and what's the new?
Fallout actually went from an isometric turn-based RPG to a real-time third/first person shooter RPG, but with the capability to emulate the old system courtesy of V.A.T.S. On top of that, it became an open-world affair instead of the largely linear map-based travel of its predecessors. Yet even with its massive changes, Fallout 3 still had the feel of a Fallout game.
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At the risk of boiling it down to a very reductionist statement, GoW's gone from being a character action game to an action-RPG
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Because while the 2013 game greatly expanded upon the previous games, it didn't completely do away with what the series' makeup was, which is what God of War does.
Yeah, that is true. Very similar levels of reimagining between those two, now that you mention it.
God of War like Nioh makes use of that super meter. Ie making it feel closer to God of War and with Nioh using spirits to make a Souls like game feel like a team ninja action hack n slash game they are mostly known for.
Agreed. I never would have expected God of War would be taking this direction after 3.
It's so different from the other games, yet it feels incredibly good. Exploring the Norse landscapes is a joy.
I have also realised that Kratos "is" God of War. When the game was revealed I rolled my eyes since I wanted a new character after 3.
It's so different from the other games, yet it feels incredibly good. Exploring the Norse landscapes is a joy.
I have also realised that Kratos "is" God of War. When the game was revealed I rolled my eyes since I wanted a new character after 3.
I don't see it? Resident Evil went from a 2.5D adventure game (similar to a point and click game with a different interface, really) about maze exploration to a linear OTS shooter. It was an almost total 180.
Does it really though? Still a combat drive action adventure game with an angry lead who uses canned violent instant kill animations, pushes stuff around, breaks chests with his hand, and fights gods and monsters in over the top scripted cinematic set pieces. I would say most of the DNA is intact. Like Persona 3, Resident Evil 4, Tomb Raider, Metroid Prime, Wolfenstein TNO, and Breath of the Wild it reinvents the wheel while retaining its own DNA. It's very good but hardly the first time a developer tried it with a successful franchise.
They turned GoW into a dadpain Sony AAA game, they did the exact opposite of take a risk.
Yes, without delving into spoiler territory, the villains haven't changed much at all. It's all still very stereotypical
cocky god "You can't beat me, no one has even come close". I still enjoy it though. I'd rather fight an incredibly cocky and boastful god than the villains in Uncharted or TLOU
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While GoW is super fresh in people's minds, Resident Evil 4, was a bit more of a radical reimagining.
It took a lot from Naughty Dog games. It just combined those things with things from the God of War franchise. Which makes this the best game of its kind that Sony has ever released.
What did it take from Naughty Dog exactly? Seriously, just because the game is a little focused on story now it doesn't mean it's a ND game.
Kind of, lol. Instead of making a behind the shoulder character narrative action game.
God of War sucks. Maybe they should have made a game with interesting combat. It's like they looked at Horizon and said, "Hey, we can do the exact opposite of that."
There are a ton of context sensitive actions. Seperate from the QTEs that God of War has always had. Like Uncharted and TLOU, the game regularly slows down (like really slows down) in order to tell its story or to deliver an emotional scene.
None of this is bad in my opinion. I think it's done rather well and, when combined with the traditional GoW stuff (huge, setpiece heavy bosses/combo heavy combat/light puzzles) it all adds up to a great game.
The title of the thread is very strong which brings out the contrarians and those who don't like the new direction. The they turned into Sony game critique is reductionism at it's finest and at this point it's not worth arguing with those people.
Is making a bad decision could be considered to be a risk? because making a traditional God of War game at this point would've been a bad decision imo.
Huge God of War fan and I wouldn't have minded if they made a game with the same formula in a Norse setting. However, this is much better and I love it. every franchise needs to learn from the game.
Yeah when you take literally the only Western attempt at the Character Action genre (even if it was shallow compared to its Japanese contemporaries) and then abandon that to make it a by the numbers Western AAA Game, people will indeed be a little miffed.
Before you die on the sword for this Cory Balrog is on record multiple times citing TLOU as an influence for the game. It wears that influence on it's sleeve just like BOTW wears Skyrim and Far Cry on it's sleeve and AC:O wears Witcher 3 on it's sleeve. Obvious influences aren't a bad thing if anything else it's incredibly easy to see what kinda art influenced later creators.
I'd actually say that it's really not that huge a departure in the character action and depth department.
Action RPGs are huge. I'm curious as to why you think the marginal leap from action to action rpg could be considered bold, especially in light of the latter's present popularity?
Yes, Resident Evil takes the cake for me. I'm not even a fan of that series but RE4 and RE7 made me really interested in it.
I'm only 6-7 hours in but I think the combat is deeper than the previous GoW games.
Read his previous comment "dadpain Sony AAA" dude is nothing but a troll
It's not a bad thing. I don't know how you can even ask a question like that though. The intro to the game clearly wears its inspiration on its sleeve
The thread title is hyperbolic at best and downright wrong at worst. Others have already given far better examples of reimagined games in their series. That's the main reason the whole hyperbolic premise has reached 8 pages when it could have been answered by "lol no" in one.
How did ND invent these things?
I'd like to know some of these by the number games like GoW, it's still an action game as the older titles, again you haven't played the game.
I still don't see what did they take from ND games, because surely they didn't invent story telling, did they? I'm guessing people talking about boosting the kid up to some places and the likes? That's very reductionist of what else the game is doing.
One of? Sure.
The one? No.
RE4 for example was not only a huge departure but sorta-kinda the first of its kind and it spawned copies and mechanics.
Dad of War is awesome but let's not pretend it's doing anything particularly new or revolutionary. It's just...you know, very very good :p
The one? No.
RE4 for example was not only a huge departure but sorta-kinda the first of its kind and it spawned copies and mechanics.
Dad of War is awesome but let's not pretend it's doing anything particularly new or revolutionary. It's just...you know, very very good :p
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