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God of War is probably the boldest, most radical reimagining of an established series ever
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I haven't bought the game yet, but it's hard to imagine it being any more notable than the numerous other series out there that have gone through the same process(some multiple times over, some creating their own genres, etc.). It's certainly a very successful turn for the series though obviously.
I know I'm being a bit dismissive, but how is making a radical change from what was a pretty great beat em up style action game into another Sony third person cinematic action setpiece game with some Witcher inspirations that bold?
The game's good, but let's not claim it's this amazing departure from other games other Sony studios have given us.
I thought so too but after ten hours in I find the melee combat to be horrible. I hate the controls for it and the camera was not built for this kind of combat. I have resorted to exclusively throwing my axe bexause I don't find anything else about the combat fun. And this is a darn shame because everything else about the game is amazing.
Hyperbole reaching new highs.
Hella new highs.
For an established franchise. Why are you leaving the bolded out? Do you think I can only read what you bold?
He's saying as a series, it's had one of the most radical shifts
OP even commented later on saying as such
I feel like this was said by one tweet and people are running with it.
I'm not trying to dismiss your opinion but I honestly feel like people are really honeymooning hard over this game.
Mario 64 wasn't the natural evolution of Super Mario World. They are completely different games under the same "Mario" franchise label.
That's a fair callout lol and I'm as cynical as they come around these parts, but the game really is that good. It is. Coming from someone who couldn't make it through any of the prior installments and doesn't think Sony is the second coming.
It always makes me sad when people scream about their precious bayonetta or DMC. It was the same thing two years ago and it's the same thing now
I remember when I first starting reading the old forum (around 2012), I would see a lot of people stating that they didn't trust reviewers and that they'd 'wait for forum impressions because they trusted the users' thoughts'. NO, don't do that! I love enthusiasts' forums but the hyperbole is often... a bit much. Lots of people are very invested in their chosen black box. I remember those initial The Order impressions on the old forum before the review embargo was up. Seesh. I feel for anyone that pre-ordered based on those glowing, excited impressions.
Yeah, I won't lie to you, I'm conflicted about it. On one hand, it adds to the challenge to have to have that extra level of spacial awareness.
On the other, you do feel like you get hit with alot of cheap stuff and if you compare it even to it' predecessors it does feel frustrating.
It's especially as the game is filled with Ninja gaiden style boss fights with multiple enemies throwing projectiles at you off screen as you fight.
Comparing it horizon though, I feel kratos has enough AOE, parry and evasion techniques (and attacks) that make things feel alot less annoying than that game.
Horizon felt about as generic as you could get, this game is plays half decent. I don't think it's absolutely incredible like people say, but the combat does open up after a rocky opening. The main weakness to me is the basic attacks don't flow all that well and sometimes the camera.
But there's attack cancelling into evasion, just guard and parries, witch time, brutal instant kills w/ a stun meter, juggling plus your AI partner is actually useful and can do ranged attacks with status effects on your command that also float. As far as weapons go the Leviathan Axe is essentially Thor's hammer and you can use it as both melee and ranged and throw and return it to you on command which is super satisfying. So you can throw the axe at one enemy, wail on another, call the axe back and it flies through enemies hitting them on the way back. Also a weapon from past games is available. Also you can customize a build with stats and perks, although I thought it was pretty meekly implemented.
That being said, I also don't think it's a 95MC game and as a single player title there's really no reason to rush out and play. It'll be discounted soon enough.
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How is the combat better than DD? I mean just the sheer amount of viable build variety and how all of them feel good in that game compared to this one makes it one of if not the GOAT combat systems in an RPG.
"It took me 12 hours to beat The Order!"
Haha. After that whole debacle I literally sat with a timer next to me to time my playthrough. Took me five and a half hours to finish the game. I mopped up the last trophy and got the platinum within... six hours?
Just found the hilarious OP quote from the initial 'The Order Impressions thread' before the reviews went out.
Wow.
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What makes it a God of War game other than the name and main character's name and design?
Because that's what they believe and you can't stop them from thinking that even if you don't like it.
Totally agree.
When I got the Blades again I was so psyched
Same reason people make threads with titles like this one. It's how the OP feels about the topic at hand and both sides usually exaggerate to extremes.
I get what you're saying, I'm just adding that the completion of the quote opens up the conversation, as now we're talking in comparison to other series. It's the difference between "one of the most" (vague) as opposed to "the most overall" (specific).
It's nitpicking, but it's a nit worth picking. ;)
Kratos is way less of a reprehensible madman and the cutscenes are a little longer but its a God of War game through and through.
This post reminded me that we live in the darkest timeline.
I'm only 3 hours in, so I can't fully judge yet, but right now it's not even close.
Bayo>DMC>GoW
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I imagine it's literally just a thought made on the spot or during a conversation.
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My argument was still series specific. I'm saying it's a bold new direction for the series, I'm not saying it's done things no game has ever done before. That's not what I'm saying at all.
Because it's a departure for the series, not for video games as a medium.
As another user said in this thread, I guess the core of the series' identity has always been brutal, satisfying, crunchy combat that's also very stylish and excellent to look at, and that much is still very much part of this game, if only in a very different way. Also, in spite of the change in camera, the series hasn't lost its jaw-dropping sense of scale and epic moments. That's why it's such a good reinvention, because in spite of all the changes, it doesn't alienate fans of the series.
While the game is a radical departure and is fucking amazing, I don't really feel that its bold in terms of its change. As others have said, they just went in the same direction that a lot of other Sony Studios went with their games. Horizon, The Last of Us, Uncharted, The Order(although that one failed to stick the landing), they all go for the same direction which is over the shoulder action adventure game that delivers an awesome(and usually emotional) narrative with amazing looking environments and great combat. The setting and combat differs but the structure is still there. These games don't really do anything new that other games haven't already done before, but they do what they do so well that they knock it out of the park with the entire package. And while I do see a lot of Sony's studios going this direction, I'm glad that they do. I love that they do these kind of experiences in their games, I hope they do more with different kinds of protagonist like maybe more women, people of color, and LGBT protagonist.
Well anyway, that's why I feel the game isn't so bold. At least within the context of the entire industry.
Well anyway, that's why I feel the game isn't so bold. At least within the context of the entire industry.
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Again, I'm saying it's bold for the series. I'm not saying it's the kind of game we haven't ever seen before. I'm saying it's the kind of God of War game we have never seen before.
I mean, they used an established franchise that sold not that well the last time, and made a sequel in the popular genre at the time, which is nothing new, really.
Look at the jump from Duke Nukem to Duke 3D.
Bomberman to Act Zero is the same.
Heretic to Heretic 2.
Even BotW is guilty of this, although they at least advanced the genre.
Prince of Persia too advanced it's genre.
Bold moves to me are this:
Warcraft to WoW
SMW to Mario 64
Banjo Tooie to Nuts n Bolts
Look at the jump from Duke Nukem to Duke 3D.
Bomberman to Act Zero is the same.
Heretic to Heretic 2.
Even BotW is guilty of this, although they at least advanced the genre.
Prince of Persia too advanced it's genre.
Bold moves to me are this:
Warcraft to WoW
SMW to Mario 64
Banjo Tooie to Nuts n Bolts
It's really not. It's an amazing game, but the structure is still very faithful to the older games. The game is still very combat heavy, and that combat still revolves around combos and larger than life boss battles. Those boss battles are still very cinematic. Without going into spoilers, those bosses also share a lot of similarities (in terms of what they are) with past games. The game's also filled with light puzzle solving
The game has more heart, and is much more cinematic in an Uncharted or TLOU sort of way, but it still shares a lot with past games.
BOTW is a much bigger departure. You can finish that game right after the tutorial, skipping everything else the game has to offer in the process.
The game has more heart, and is much more cinematic in an Uncharted or TLOU sort of way, but it still shares a lot with past games.
BOTW is a much bigger departure. You can finish that game right after the tutorial, skipping everything else the game has to offer in the process.
Yeah WoW is a great example of a bold move
Taking an old character action game and updating to what it means to be a character action game in 2018 isn't that bold
I agree with this, part of the reason Days Gone looks so uninteresting is because it has the most typical looking AAA video game protagonist ever. Meanwhile TLOU2 has Ellie as the main character instead of Joel. Lost Legacy as well, was way more interesting because Chloe is way more interesting than Nathan Drake.
I feel so bad for Sam Witwer. He seems like such a nice, genuine dude and he's saddled with playing Beardy McMotorcycle, one of the dullest protags I've ever seen.
As for Uncharted, I would totally play a hypothetical Lost Legacy 2 in a heartbeat, but I would not be upset if they dropped Nadine from it and gave Chloe a new partner.
Persona 2 -> Persona 3 was huge.
Addition of Life Sim stuff
Major visual style & music changes
Combat changes (All-Out Attacks & all that go with them)
And unlike a lot of these other examples, it's a numbered entry, not a re-imagining or spin-off.
Addition of Life Sim stuff
Major visual style & music changes
Combat changes (All-Out Attacks & all that go with them)
And unlike a lot of these other examples, it's a numbered entry, not a re-imagining or spin-off.
I agree, I haven't even finished it but it's fucking amazing. Haven't had an experience like this for a very long time
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