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God is goddamn evil
- Thread starter chezzymann
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Religion at it's core is a meme (in the sense of an idea that spreads through the population and self-replicates itself). And it's success largely comes from the fact that in early human socities it definitely had several major advantages that would help the people propogating them survive. Humans are social creatures and religion helps create a group identity which in turn helps us survive, especially when we look at our early hunter gatherer ancestors. Of course that doesn't necessarily mean it's still beneficial. I'd argue humans have reached a point where we have other means of establishing group identities that aren't so inherently exclusionary or inflexible and that we've come to a point where conditions have changed such that at best it's a vestigial feature of our society and at worst actively detrimental
Possibly. Depends on perspective. We have socially acceptable norms.
It's about well-being and proliferation of the species.
gotta say i agree with this sentiment, it always comes down to this for me
at the end of the day, conscious or not, i think this is what people have an undying faith in, that they are relevant
I agree with you that it's not inherently about an Abrahamic god, but when you see people quoting Richard Dawkins and The God Delusion, it's pretty obvious where it's going.
That being said, I'm a Christian. So there's obviously a bias I have towards it. But I still understand that there are massive flaws with the mythology, and it's essentially why I disregard the entire Old Testament as nothing other than Jewish myths handed down and random history bits during the time of the split Kingdoms of Israel and Judea.
Being critical of that is fine, as is being critical of the shit that has happened in the name of religion over the last... Thousands of years. Hell, I'm critical of those same things.
It just sucks that I come to this forum because I'm looking for tolerant conversation, and it seems like every single week, without fail, there's a thread just like this. And it turns into a giant circle jerk. Being critical and belittling someone for believing something isn't the same, however, and doesn't make for a positive conversation from the outset.
I fully agree. Early religion was an explanation tool. Imagination at its finest.
It evolved to become a social construct that separates and divides populations.
I think you also need to understand the amount of personal damage religious adherents have caused to those they love, including those on this forum. For some people here this forum is their safe space where they can talk to others also surrounded by religious zealotry and escape what is, to them, the madness. Christianity gets shit on because it's the dominant religion in areas where a large chunk of people on era live.
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As the wise goddess, Erykah Badu once said:
"Most intellects do not believe in God
But they fear us just the same"
Or as the wise Nastradamus once said:
"Niggas fear what they don't understand.
Hate what they can't conquer,
guess it's just inferior man."
The best thing to do is realize it's all made up garbage, and then think about it at little as possible while trying to be a decent person and build a nice life. And also, of course, contending with the demented weirdos who drink the kool-aid and make important decisions based on superstition and bad information.
It's pretty fun to realize a huge fraction of the people in society are toddling around with magic in their brains, guided by imagined signs or pretend missions.
It's pretty fun to realize a huge fraction of the people in society are toddling around with magic in their brains, guided by imagined signs or pretend missions.
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That's understandable, but at the same time there are those on the other side of the argument who are trying to fight against the bullshit within the religion, yet are still cast in the same light.
I'm not trying to "some good people on both sides" this, but it sucks from this perspective. It also doesn't do anything to help anyone to have it called a mental illness, inferiority complex, etc.
i remember John Goodman once said on Howard Stern that after he watched Room if he ever saw the actor that locked them up he was gonna beat the shit out of him
you think you're better than John Goodman?
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Wait, how can you straight up ignore the entire Old Testament?
How many angry words have you written about show-Jaime, bro
Well usually God is the JRPG villain so OP would be the protagonist.
THis guy agreed with you as well OP. Only difference is he did something about it.
What're you prepared to do OP?
What're you prepared to do OP?
The Leftovers - Kevin Reads The Bible
From Season 1 Episode 10 "The Prodigal Son Returns"
www.youtube.com
As a Christian, it's actually pretty easy. All you essentially have to believe is that God is real and God created Mankind (which in this case is intelligence design, not literally breathing life into a dude made of clay) and... well, that's about it for the Old Testament. The rest, as I said, I believe are Jewish myths and traditions handed down (the stories of Elijah and Elisha, etc.)
The real belief as a Christian comes from the belief that Jesus was the Messiah and came to reconcile the sins of Mankind by sacrificing himself, while also teaching others about kindness and forgiveness.
Jesus even says that "I am the way, the truth, and the life". He, and his teachings, are the main focal point of Christianity. Or should be for anyone who really believes in Christianity.
You talking Purgatory? Because eventually those people go to heaven.
God is the prime mover, the one who set in motion the universe. But is impartial, comprised of all realities and possibly realities, a sum of all consciousness yet the whole is more than the sun of its parts.
We're the ones putting value judgement on things through our limited understanding. Good and evil are our own constructs.
All That Is simply Is.
We're the ones putting value judgement on things through our limited understanding. Good and evil are our own constructs.
All That Is simply Is.
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but kidding aside, many religious folks are lovely people because they view their religion as a philosophy they follow and do good works, while eschewing the tribal vestiges (god doesn't mind if we eat shellfish we have refrigeration, gay people don't make jesus cry, etc) no one has beef with these people. there's only an issue when religion is used as a system of control. if we were designed to be this dang stubborn and ornery then we were built to live free.
but kidding aside, many religious folks are lovely people because they view their religion as a philosophy they follow and do good works, while eschewing the tribal vestiges (god doesn't mind if we eat shellfish we have refrigeration, gay people don't make jesus cry, etc) no one has beef with these people. there's only an issue when religion is used as a system of control. if we were designed to be this dang stubborn and ornery then we were built to live free.
So there is no god, the universe just is and has always been.
Jesus is a literary construction. Nothing in the gospels is true or even based in truth. Pure mythology.
this may be the best post here. It sums up a lot of how I feel, especially with the frustration of trying to get the point across that I'm not here to proselytize. I want to help people, I want to be good to all people.
I'm a part of a Bible study group at my church that's about 10 of us. The class is called Faith and Issues, and it's all young adults-to-middle aged folks. We discuss common issues and how we can put our resources towards helping them.
I'm not going to claim every person who claims to be a Christian is a good person. But every true follower of Jesus' teachings should be a good person that doesn't use it as a system of control.
As a demented weirdo toddling around with magic in his brain, I'd still like to know there's a chance for the two of us to be best pals.
God why did you remind me of that wizards shit on the floor and then magic it away thing. *sigh*
No there is, but probably not what we think in terms of Christianity.
I like to think of a painter or artist who had every conceivable creation inside it but no means to create it. Finally, boom, it created all of it from within, into the physical reality, the Big Bang. But in doing so gave its creations consciousness. they're a part of it still but also their own entities to create.
It doesn't judge the creations, all realities are as valid as the next.
All part of the whole. But since everything is within it, no one knows it's origin.
I mean, if you can be normal and keep faith in its proper place, my description doesn't apply to you.
You said you're part of a Bible study group, do you study where the bible came from? Or do you just take the Bible's word for what it is?
Yeah I lean into this same thought as well. God as a very real stream of consciousness we're a part of. Science to me, is literally studying God itself.
Eh, a little bit it does. I feel compelled by my faith to carry out secret missions all the time. I just accomplished one right now in fact ❤
Yes!
Years ago I was a biochemistry major, then switched to religious studies and philosophy.
I never viewed them as opposing factors, but both trying to explain the same reality in different terms.
Reading the quantum theories of David Bohm and other philosophy and metaphysics made perfect sense. They're the exact same.
By where the Bible came from do you mean the Old Testament or the New? It's pretty firmly established that the New Testament is comprised mainly of letters Paul sent circa 50 CE. And if not Paul, then his later letters were written by his scribes.
the alien asshole who has us trapped in this petri dish is definitely evil but they're no god
seriously the ending to
is more credible than what's in the Bible
seriously the ending to
Men in Black
Paul's letters are the most disputed part of the new testament. Only seven are considered legitimate bu scholars.
Paul only saw a vision of Jesus. It's right there in the writing. He is imagining the whole thing.