This is pretty cool of them, hopefully it will be of benefit. It's definitely a dark part of Scotland's history that is ignored too often.
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Glasgow University's 'bold' move to pay back slave trade profits
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I agree that the English are cunts but it was the British Empire, not the English Empire. All parties are culpable.
This news is fantastic though, need to see it happening more.
Nice to see them do the right thing here, face it head on and put their money where their mouths are. As someone who studied at Glasgow Uni, I sure don't want to feel shitty for getting the filtered down benefit of this stuff, so this is good.
I agree, it is redundant to be asking for reparations from what is essentially a completely different generation of people. Still, the aftermath of what they did are still being felt (Kashmir Conflict).
The street I live in was built by some of the Glasgow cotton barons, it's great to see Glasgow Uni acknowledge this sordid part of our history.
"Author and academic Joanna Williams said: "For me, the number one problem with this is that it suggests people who are alive today bear some historical responsibility for what their ancestors did in the past.
"[These were] truly barbaric and criminal acts, but to suggest that people alive today are responsible for the sins of their ancestors is a step too far."
She added: "It also suggests that other people who are alive today are victims of what happened to their ancestors. There comes a point we all need to move on from that and say that the past is the past.""
Oh great, why don't we hear the thoughts of a transphobe and someone against the me too movement what she thinks of this?
The BBC is fucking awful these days jeez.
"[These were] truly barbaric and criminal acts, but to suggest that people alive today are responsible for the sins of their ancestors is a step too far."
She added: "It also suggests that other people who are alive today are victims of what happened to their ancestors. There comes a point we all need to move on from that and say that the past is the past.""
Oh great, why don't we hear the thoughts of a transphobe and someone against the me too movement what she thinks of this?
The BBC is fucking awful these days jeez.
I mean, she's a privileged piece of trash. There's plenty to go around.
I just hate BBCs insistence to really dig deep in the filth to get an opposing view. Sometimes, don't?
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She's correct. That doesn't mean that Glasgow University shouldn't pay reparations. Moral responsibility isn't transitive.
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Yeah! Try and tell the people who face daily discrimination and racist abuse to 'just move on'.
Fucking retard.
I mean, sure, she is technically correct on the note that people today don't literally bear personal, inter-generational responsibility but is that really all you want to bring to the conversation? Her following passage is worse.
"It also suggests that other people who are alive today are victims of what happened to their ancestors. There comes a point we all need to move on from that and say that the past is the past."
It's such a disingeneous way of framing the discussion and it's tiresome to hear the same trite from white Europeans that 'the past is the past.' I don't even want to give it more thought to be honest and I'm glad the conversation gradually moved/is moving elsewhere in the country I live in.
Right. People don't bear responsibility for their ancestors sins, but people are affected by those sins. We have an obligation to correct those inequaities.
As someone who studied at University of Glasgow for both my mathematics honor's bachelor degree and my masters in finance...this makes me so happy and proud to have spent nearly 7 years there!
Yes the slave trade isn't humanities proudest moment and no I didn't realise UG benefits from it but this could be the first Domino in a very long line.
Yes the slave trade isn't humanities proudest moment and no I didn't realise UG benefits from it but this could be the first Domino in a very long line.
It'd be great if she made that distinction and I don't doubt that she's unaware of it but simply knows her audience. This goes back to my original point - an historian shouldn't be dismissing the relationship between the past and present so callously. It's kind of integral to the discipline really.
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I agree with what most have said here. We can't whitewash this shit or we are no better than Boris, Trump and their pals.
We should also tackle the continuing anti-Irish/Catholic embarrassment that makes it socially acceptable to be in and support the orange order, our own sordid version of the KKK.
We should also tackle the continuing anti-Irish/Catholic embarrassment that makes it socially acceptable to be in and support the orange order, our own sordid version of the KKK.
Glasgow was built on the slave trade and tobacco unfortunately. It's why we have Jamaica Street, Tobago Street and Antigua Street etc, a number of the churches likes St Andrews in the Square were basically the 'Tobacco Lords' showing off their wealth. The Merchant City was another example.
Wikipedia says:
"Reparations for slavery is the idea that some form of compensatory payment needs to be made to the descendants of Africans trafficked to and enslaved in the Americas as a consequence of the Atlantic slave trade. "
Am I missing something, or wouldn't reparations activists prefer direct payments to the descendants of slaves?
"Reparations for slavery is the idea that some form of compensatory payment needs to be made to the descendants of Africans trafficked to and enslaved in the Americas as a consequence of the Atlantic slave trade. "
Am I missing something, or wouldn't reparations activists prefer direct payments to the descendants of slaves?
I think you might be a little confused. Britain and England aren't synonymous; Britain is union of countries that includes England.
Glasgow in the house!
Basically this.
And don't get me started on Rabbie Burns and his 'investments'.
Basically this.
And don't get me started on Rabbie Burns and his 'investments'.
