This isn't "criticism". This is guilt by association, where said association happens to be one of the most popular people in their particular industry, who few associate with white supremacy or what have you.
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Girlfriend Reviews : Here We Are! (Read Staff Post)
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What the fuck has this thread turned into? This shit seriously needs to stop.
now that this is out of the way, they're such a cute couple and their channel is really entertaining. Wish them nothing but success.
now that this is out of the way, they're such a cute couple and their channel is really entertaining. Wish them nothing but success.
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This is pretty stupid and emblematic of how much of a bubble the more extreme social justice communities exist in. The people you mention are some of the largest personalities in gaming YouTube/content creation, and it's not at all settled that they are white supremacists among the wider audience of people who consume that type of media.
This is a tangent, but he isn't though.
I honestly dislike this GIF because it misrepresents Boogie as being someone who is innocently trying to make a bunch of disagreeing groups get along while ignoring the incompatibility of their stances. That's the smokescreen that he uses to keep from alienating his audience.
The thing is that he isn't innocent at all, and he isn't really in the middle at all, he's actively taking abhorrent positions and just using this to support those positions without acknowledging what he's doing. But he does occasionally laugh at his ex-girlfriends dying of cancer and stuff like that
or openly stating his support for known harassers, which is harder to demonstrate if you don't know the history of the relevant people.
They supported someone who hugged JonTron, so they're canceled by proxy? Are you serious with this shit?
I'm not sure why criticism is in quotation marks here. I don't want to put words in your mouth, but are you saying that you don't agree that Pewdiepie is a white supremacy sympathizer?
Isn't the issue there more the timing than anything else? Also, again, no one is canceling anyone, simply calling out behavior they disagree with is not canceling.
I think Pewdiepie absolutely holds some white supremacist views, but I also think that "criticizing" an up and coming third party channel for doing nothing but dropping his name when few people not directly plugged into the specific intersection of games media and social justice recognize Pewdiepie as being problematic is dumb as hell.
Why shouldn't I be?
It pretty openly advertised his support for JonTron, who has some repugnant views.
This caused quite a bit of controversy, fairly well known at the time, that I imagine would've damaged NakeyJakeys reputation.
To have given him a shoutout within a short period of time after that incident seems to have shown what side they supported in this argument.
So. This whole dog-whistling business is hard to discern at times. I get that. It pisses people off, especially without 100% evidence of said accusations. Burden of proof and all that.
But, I also somehow manage to subscribe to gaming YouTubers that manage to easily avoid ALL this.
So, that all these incidents could be purely coincidental seems..fairly unlikely.
Just replied more in full to this - but please respond to my latter points in my post.
It's not these seemingly trivial things alone. It's the fact that they only seem to be mentioning these people in particular, instead of many, MANY other, less controversial YouTubers that makes me skeptical.
Even if guilt by association does not make you a white supremist. It is pretty bad behaviour to not care about what the people they recommend represent. In todays landscape it is silly to feign or pretend ignorance on certain issues. Fine you do not care because you are in a privileged position and it does not affect you. Which makes sense why they keep recommending these "awesome" gamerz with horrible morals and ethics.
I will say that GF reviews haven't said things that are remotely bad in their reviews other than promoting bad people. They do of course play a lot with some negative stereotypes of women as gamers, which can be questionable at times.
I will say that GF reviews haven't said things that are remotely bad in their reviews other than promoting bad people. They do of course play a lot with some negative stereotypes of women as gamers, which can be questionable at times.
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they're just a couple of typical redditors that repeat established popular opinion on popular things in a very well-produced format with little regard for the associations they have with other popular figures, negative or positive. they just like popular shit and will do what they think they need to do to be popular, including embracing and broadcasting reactionary sentiments and negativity campaigns aimed at attacking developers or creatives, like pokemon or star wars. it's entertaining but also entirely valueless at its core
By "quite a bit", I assume you mean "not really much at all", as the most I can find on it is a Resetera thread and a reddit one.
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Except they mention lesser known people. They even streamed with them.
Well there are quite a few other things they've done that I don't condone. It isn't just this Pewdiepie business. I'm not a person who believes that ignorance is an excuse, because good people, when receiving new information, will contextualize.
Ok - that's my bad then. I stopped watching the channel after the NakeyJakey situation.
Sorry for the misinformation. I'm not really helping out anything, then.
But, out of curiosity, who are these other YouTubers?
Where else should have been posted to be considered quite a bit?
I would say those two forums are...pretty influential?
But they mentioned someone that hugged someone that said something offensive a few years ago. Don't you see how awful they are?
I can't even with this stuff. Some of these people are just out of their damn minds.
I'm fairly sure this is the only video that actually featured another youtuber.
Not really? Reddit might be as a whole, but any given subreddits much less so (like where said thread was), and using Resetera smacks of citogenesis. "Quite a bit" is an article on a notable enthusiast news site, like, bare minimum, or a twitter trend, or whatever. Not two forum threads.
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Unfortunately they're everything this thread and many other seemingly positive threads here are not.
Mods, feel free to close this dumpster fire of a thread. Another victory for the super woke.
I'm not sure any of these YouTubers are big enough to make any news sites write an article on them.
Which is one reason why I assume more news articles weren't written on it.
The other being, it's a lot more difficult to write an article based on a picture of said somewhat well know YouTuber than an article based on words - which is exactly what many news sites did when JonTron decided to say what he did.
Jontron is big enough. PDP is big enough. Heck, even Girlfriend Reviews got a USGamer article. NakeyJakey hugging Jontron absolutely did not get "quite a bit" of attention from anyone.
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Everyone interacts with everyone online
Are you living in this century?
I guess I'm not sure what the appropriate reaction is to the multiple small, yet oddly specific incidents that have been pointed out.
If all these were purely coincidental, then sure, I am willing to believe they are just following popular media trends.
As someone just pointed out to me, they don't advertise all people with a controversial past - which is what I would think you'd want to do, as a YouTuber.
But, these specific incidences still occurred, and many people are clearly upset by it, and would like better evidence that these are isolated, unintentional incidents.
From my current perspective, mentioning the people pointed out before are too specific to be coincidence.
For others, it's not enough evidence.
That's all.
Edit: The best solution at this point, is just create an OT for this YouTube channel. That way, folks can discuss their videos in a more contained environment.
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Why on earth would they want to spend any time here, a place where a mod refers to them as "complete shitheels"?
Yeah I think that might have been the last straw for me. I'll find a Reddit or something that can fill the era void. I'll try.
It is settled that PewDiePie and JonTron have had racist views and that Boogie2988 has been a racist sympathiser, believes Anita Sarkeesian was somehow responsible for Charlottesville ("I'm bringing people from the far right to the logical sane middle...battling in the courts, battling in the polls, not in the fucking streets, the way you're doing it, people are getting fucking killed in Charlottesville!"), and said same sex marriage should wait until homophobes are less violent.
These aren't opinions. These are the simple facts.
Unless I missed something that wasn't a mod that said that, just an industry "professional ".
It's hard to come up with something new and fresh, and while the idea is simple they executed it really well. I haven't watched all their vids but the ones I did were entertaining.
... OK, that's too much toxicity for me.
I like their videos, and frankly this whole discussion is completely overblown.
I like their videos, and frankly this whole discussion is completely overblown.
It's also guilt by para-social association since people are made to feel like shit if they enjoy watching their content.
Personally, I think cancel culture and being the arbiter of moral consumption is how a lot of people get their jollies and I that's no different on Era.
This is truly nothing.
Too many degrees of removal from actually doing anything objectionable. This is the kind of shit Fox News tries to pull on Dems all the time. Also like Fox News's BS, it's sorely lacking context.
a word of advice: never look up the working relationships of the people behind your favorite movies, tv shows, etc
Come on, dude.
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Lol Era, great job.
I'm out if this shit show of a thread.
In the end, social justice people can be just as toxic as Trump school boys.
I just don't have patience anymore, too old for this.
Gf review is a great channel, the best luck in the world for them.
I'm out if this shit show of a thread.
In the end, social justice people can be just as toxic as Trump school boys.
I just don't have patience anymore, too old for this.
Gf review is a great channel, the best luck in the world for them.
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There have been a number of threads both in gaming and etc that show people get very confused by others liking things they don't like.
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The video is good and I get the message but it's not the whole picture.
all of his examples are valid. I didn't see any examples in his video like the situation with the youtubers in the OP, where the guilt is by faint association and not actual actions.
I think this thread was the straw that broke the camels back. They've been getting shit on here from the very first video "is that really a girl though?" and every thread since has had at least some bullshit. I'm sure future threads will still bring it all up again though.
As someone else said, at least it's good for the ignore list.
And I do get that.
Again, for me, there is enough connection between these incidences for me to become skeptical of their overall views. Does that mean they are what I think they are? Nope.
As for me, I just would rather not support them.
Again, my main argument is that these are oddly specific individual YouTubers to be mentioning when there are SO many other YouTubers without baggage they could've mentioned instead.
To me, it just seems like they could've made a better effort to avoid mentioning the ones many of us are upset about.
But, yeah...it's just a sign of the political times. Everything is much more sensitive and loaded, and it will be for the foreseeable future.
Could we just have someone create an OT? I think every time a fresh thread gets created, it just revitalizes this argument.
Or maybe it wouldn't help...I don't know.
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