They don't have to, but for a game that looks like it was going to ground and unpack its hero it did very little of the latter in this regard.
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Giant Bomb |GOTY 2018| Cowboys vs. Gods
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I love animals and got 5 cats
I if was to dismiss every game in which you can kills animals, i'd have missed a lot of great experiences. Sometimes people take things too serious and end ip missing the point: it's a videogame
Couldn't care less if Kratos ao Arthur Morgan killed men, women, cats, dogs. It's a game. Not real life, which already gives me enough real problems to think of.
I disagree that the game painting Freya as a flawed mother is meant to be some sort of specific commentary or viewpoint on motherhood since the father characters such as Kratos, Thor, Zeus, and Odin are all painted as even worse than Freya.
And those old games rightfully deserve to get criticized, but using them to criticize the new one just doesn't make sense to me, the best thing the writers can do to address the problems people have with the old games is to not do the same mistakes again and actually have awesome female characters. (Which I think they've done a good job so far).
I understand, everyone's entitled to their opinions. I respectfully disagree with some of your comments, the game resembling german tv shows which I have no idea of doesn't detract from the fact that out of all games produced by this studio, this is still their best work. Also just because one of the dialogue options is an Android saying " I have a dream " doesn't mean I'll automatically qualify everything in the game as lazy writing either.
I don't really understand where the Kratos being violent against women thing is coming from. He (mistakenly) killed his wife and daughter, and tries to kill himself for it, and he killed that woman in a gear in GoW 3. Besides that I don't remember him doing anything anymore violent to women that he didn't do to anything else in existence in those games.
On the Octopath Traveler segment. Ben is wrong about no interaction between party members as they have optional bantar segments where they do talk to each other. But they definitely don't interact that much outside of the bantars and I can see for JRPG fans they would rather have a party where the characters bond and have some chemistry. Also yes some of the path actions such as Inquire and Scrutinize are effectively the same as Inquire is the noble info collector while Scrutinize is the rogue one. Though Challenge and Provoke are different as Olberic fights an NPC with his weapons and skills while H'iaant provokes people with her animals and her beasts can only fight (not her). I mean, I'd love to see how it fairs in Best Style and Best Music, but I knew this game has no chance at the top ten. Its still one of my favorites though.
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Im pretty sure the whole thing is about him percieving women as objects and nothing more of a "save point" sequence mini game
My thing is that the game is clearly about legacy and redemption though, that's pretty much what I was sold on despite actively disliking early God of War games.
They also mess up the very simple premise of a father and son going to a place by spending 10 hours (!!!!) walking in circles doing inconsequential bullshit, but that might be an argument for another day.
Florence was great so I was happy to hear it get talked about. Unless others play it though, they won't be convinced. It was an easy 45 mins and very deeply affecting. Thanks for talking about it Abby.
Glad they called out Battle for Azeroth for its soundtrack. Best thing about an otherwise underwhelming expansion.
You can't just move forward without reflection, and it doesn't seem to be completely linear A to B ever onwards because you're going back to your house and going back to your original weapons, etc. And again it's not a I'm going to force them to write and code this story; it's a this story you're trying to tell doesn't seem coherent knowing the past stories you told. You can tell it but it doesn't make sense knowing what I know, and I'm going to think it's not well thought out and I strongly advise against it, but sure, go ahead and tell it I guess.
The game definitely is not about redemption, it's about Kratos learning to live with what he have done in the past and stop blaming others, the Athena scene and the ending clearly show that.
I can admit that the game features good actors but when i know what the creator is actually about i can happily ignore this game and not spend money on it. Others on the internet do make good fan-art about it, it brought some good into the world by people not called David Cage. You don't want to engage in that problematic stuff that's your thing to deal with, but it's also not praise-worthy.
I can understand that, it's just the violence against women criticism I don't understand.
What even is this argument? The difference is that you are not a fucking cat. It's a lot different when we're discussing a game aimed at teens/young adults where the few women involved are almost all entirely treated like shit, especially when domestic violence against women is very much a real thing. It is totally understandable for Abby to have issues with how this game portrays women when it promotes a real shitty, cliched view of women in media.
Do PoC celebrate every annoying trope used against them in media? What about when the black person dies first?
Alright, up to the Detroit section. I'm glad after day 1, Abby has stopped nominating everything she played for best game- her not putting that house flipping game on the list was a shock.
I'm still worried about how this all ends up- last years combo of Best World and GOTY list was so awful I ended up canceling my premium sub for close to 6 months- and seeing the runtimes for this week makes me scared, but I'm glad they changed stuff up
I'm still worried about how this all ends up- last years combo of Best World and GOTY list was so awful I ended up canceling my premium sub for close to 6 months- and seeing the runtimes for this week makes me scared, but I'm glad they changed stuff up
Yoku ain't gonna be on GB's top 10, but good to see it will be discussed for Best Debut, Best Music and best Moment or Sequence. Deserves to be in those categories. Best Style too since it has a nice painted art style.
Redemption in as much as It's about making the player care about Kratos and see him change so his sins don't pass on to his son.
Timestamps for the free version of the podcast:
00:00:00 - A message from Jeff
00:00:54 - Podcast starts
03:52:48 - The second day ends!
00:00:00 - A message from Jeff
00:00:54 - Podcast starts
- 00:04:42 - God of War (2018)
- 00:34:29 - Ni No Kuni II: Revenant Kingdom
- 00:41:34 - Frostpunk
- 00:48:48 - Nintendo Labo
- 01:01:35 - First break
- 01:02:31 - Northgard
- 01:05:06 - Bad North
- 01:05:55 - House Flipper
- 01:10:54 - FAR: Lone Sails
- 01:14:05 - Quarantine Circular
- 01:17:37 - State of Decay 2
- 01:27:45 - Detroit: Become Human
- 01:48:15 - Yoku's Island Express
- 01:52:59 - Second break
- 01:53:10 - BlazBlue: Cross Tag Battle
- 02:00:46 - ONRUSH
- 02:06:36 - Shape of the World
- 02:08:31 - Wreckfest
- 02:16:03 - Mario Tennis Aces
- 02:20:43 - The Sims 4: Seasons
- 02:24:43 - FIGHTING EX LAYER
- 02:31:50 - The Crew 2
- 02:40:13 - Unravel Two
- 02:45:16 - Third break
- 02:45:39 - Octopath Traveler
- 02:51:35 - Semblance
- 02:53:56 - holedown
- 02:56:47 - WarioWare Gold
- 03:00:12 - Dead Cells
- 03:10:45 - Overcooked! 2
- 03:13:19 - We Happy Few
- 03:19:17 - Donut County
- 03:24:36 - Yakuza Kiwami 2
- 03:28:29 - The Messenger
- 03:38:08 - Destiny 2
03:52:48 - The second day ends!
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I thought Abby wanted to voice her discomfort about the female characters in GoW so much that it came out a little rushed and not very well argumented for what I believe could be solid points. I assume she will return to this further down the road when they actually discuss the game's GOTY placement.
Alex just tearing A Way Out apart was completely deserved. What a complete disappointment after Brothers. I cannot believe the last sequence of the story was presented the way it was.
Alex just tearing A Way Out apart was completely deserved. What a complete disappointment after Brothers. I cannot believe the last sequence of the story was presented the way it was.
User banned (5 days): Being dismissive of and attempting to shut down discussions of serious issues.
"when we're discussing a game aimed at teens/young adults "
I believe the game has a rating system? Plus, people need to learn how to separate a game from reality. If they' can't, then there's something wrong with them..
Gosh, i really fear for TLOU 2 when it comes out. I can alreay imagine the drama that will surround that game
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I'm very excited for these the sims videos :D
That's not redemption though, and there is nothing wrong with Kratos changing and being more likeable, I'm not gonna with this argument any further.
Ha, I'm loving this Detroit bit on the deliberations. Alex destroying it while Abby admits its flawed but still really enjoyed its moments despite how cliché Detroit's moments are.
Art and entertainment don't exist in a vacuum. If a game reflects toxic values it should be criticized. "It's just a game brah" is intellectually lazy, disingenuous and flippant.
Young adults (ages 18-35 years). There's nothing wrong with taking issues with poor representation/wishing for better representation in games.
Also specifically about Abby's point: She even said she'd have less issues with how women were treated in this game if there was either a larger representation of women (that all weren't used as awfully), or the few they had were used better. Again, there's nothing wrong with that opinion.
Also, you are correct in that something is likely wrong with a person if they can't separate game from reality. Doesn't mean that some people (especially younger) cant. Is it the games fault? Not necessarily but then again, the game shouldn't promote those kinds of values in the first place.
to me it sounded like she was just going to give a quick little overview of her perspective on the game before moving into the larger discussion with everyone else but it got immediately challenged by Vinny and then she was in "oh ok, guess we're doing this right now" mode for the rest of it.
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Thought ultimately GoW is a father son game. I don't agree with this notion that there's some kind of error that it didn't have representation Abby called for as if it's some requirement beforehand you can't go against. It could have zero, partial or fully fleshed out female character(s).
This is a straw-man, it's how unconvincing and milquetoast it is that's the problem.
When Abby ends her arguement with 'sure whatever I don't fucking care', its really hard to take on board what she's saying.
Its basically the same as last year where she did the same thing. Its rude and childish.
Its basically the same as last year where she did the same thing. Its rude and childish.
Y'all overhyped the Abby GoW talk, it wasn't so bad. I largely disagree, especially with the Valkyries part feeling like a reach, but ultimately she didn't go that deep into it (yet) and the I don't Fucking Care moment wasn't the "oh shit" moment I thought it would be.
I also think we shouldn't jump to judge people who have a problem with her arguments on these podcasts. Half of the staff is annoying when it comes to GotY. Brad, always an issue, has really stepped it up this year by not finishing anything and then making awful assumptions. But at the end of the day a couple weeks in January I will get over this temporary annoyance.
I can't believe GoW Pro modes is somehow a deal breaker for the game.
Only Ben, Alex, and Vinny can be trusted on these pods.
Edit: And as mentioned below, props to Abby for playing games. Im glad she's at GB.
I also think we shouldn't jump to judge people who have a problem with her arguments on these podcasts. Half of the staff is annoying when it comes to GotY. Brad, always an issue, has really stepped it up this year by not finishing anything and then making awful assumptions. But at the end of the day a couple weeks in January I will get over this temporary annoyance.
I can't believe GoW Pro modes is somehow a deal breaker for the game.
Only Ben, Alex, and Vinny can be trusted on these pods.
Edit: And as mentioned below, props to Abby for playing games. Im glad she's at GB.
that wasn't really the end of her argument tho, that was later on in the discussion when Vinny brought it back up again