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GI Show | Matt Booty on Halo Infinite: Excited How 343 Is Expanding the World but Wouldn't Go as Far as to Call It a Sandbox (Too Overloaded a Term)
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People really need to stop putting their hopes and dreams into this game. People thinking because of the new engine and next gen hardware, it's gonna have a Ubisoft sized open world or Bad Company 2 style destruction or 100 player multiplayer matches.
Let's see more of the game before we start fantasizing about what it could be.
Let's see more of the game before we start fantasizing about what it could be.
That same "logic" could be used with every PC game that has also been released on consoles.
RE: Cross-gen worries... I've read this on GamingBolt (original source is this video):
This is literally just repeating something that has been said multiple times now. The concern that cross-gen games are being held back by last gen consoles isn't something new. It has been arround forever and I've yet to see an example, where it's clearly evident that that is the case.
"everyone" = a couple people on this and other forums
The general public has nothing but praise for the game.
Zeta Halo is 10.000 km in diameter (30.000 km originally) and it's surface width is like 300+ km.
Good luck with that. :P
This is literally just repeating something that has been said multiple times now. The concern that cross-gen games are being held back by last gen consoles isn't something new. It has been arround forever and I've yet to see an example, where it's clearly evident that that is the case.
"everyone" = a couple people on this and other forums
The general public has nothing but praise for the game.
Zeta Halo is 10.000 km in diameter (30.000 km originally) and it's surface width is like 300+ km.
Good luck with that. :P
Even when it was newly released the competitive scene for it was beyond trash tier.
You... haven't even seen the game....
Also, it's 2019. Things scale....
I'm pretty sure Hyrule is supposed to be more than a few miles across too :P
Idk man. Halo just isn't cool enough anymore to merit a competitive scene unless they change it up completttely or Ninja markets it incredibly successfully
Halo's had a rough but I don't think its performance under less than ideal circumstances would indicate its success under more favourable circumstances.
Halo 4 sold phenomenally well on 360, had a good campaign (despite 343's best efforts to make you jump through hoops to understand it), but the MP was absolutely not what fans wanted and not alluring enough to newcomers.
Halo 5 still sold pretty well and within line of mainline titles, the campaign was outright terrible but the MP was really good. Unfortunately it released in 2015 during a time in which the Xbox brand was still in the dog house.
By the time Infinite is out, it'll have been 5 years since the last mainline Halo game. I think the IP is in a place now where it's nostalgic again, and I don't think Microsoft are going to bungle up the Scarlett reveal or launch. It'll be available on Game Pass day one, and with Halo's presence on PC, including Steam, I expect it to do way better and sustain its success much better to boot.
That number was like 80k at the next worlds event, the money dropped by like a million so it makes sense
During its tenure it was a fairly popular esport given its platform
Anyone claiming otherwise is just trying to downplay for whatever reason
It's so renowned it is easily the most divisive Halo MP game ever. It has a hardcore group albeit a small one that evangelise it but a far greater amount either have no interest of despise it.
Sorry I'm posting a lot. But that's where ninja comes in with all his fortnite friends who all played halo back in the day. there could be a huge resurgence. especially with a 5 year gap w/ infinite
I think the worry is a bit overblown too and I think over time devs will be smarter about how to implement and improve both versions but there are examples. Here's one from Jason Schreier's book blood sweat and pixels talking about dragon age inquisition being cross gen
GTAV is an Xbox 360 game. Breath of the Wild is a Wii U game.
However, there can be some concern for Infinite being held back since it is designed for the XB1, and I think everyone would rather the next Halo, after 5 years and launching with a new system, to not be developed within the constraints of the weakest 8th gen console.
Infinite is going to probably be native 4K 60fps with increased textures, but if there is cross play with the XB1 then those are the only improvements Scarlett will get.
If there is no cross play between both gens, then I think things can be improved. Stuff like more enemies on screen, higher player counts per match, the works. Also they would be able to kill off the XB1 support if RAM starts becoming an issue for updates.
I'm cautiously optimistic on Infinite being big, but I don't want to hear that stuff couldn't be put in the game because of the XB1. I'd much rather have the XB1 version be lacking compared to Scarlett as opposed to both being equal.
However, there can be some concern for Infinite being held back since it is designed for the XB1, and I think everyone would rather the next Halo, after 5 years and launching with a new system, to not be developed within the constraints of the weakest 8th gen console.
Infinite is going to probably be native 4K 60fps with increased textures, but if there is cross play with the XB1 then those are the only improvements Scarlett will get.
If there is no cross play between both gens, then I think things can be improved. Stuff like more enemies on screen, higher player counts per match, the works. Also they would be able to kill off the XB1 support if RAM starts becoming an issue for updates.
I'm cautiously optimistic on Infinite being big, but I don't want to hear that stuff couldn't be put in the game because of the XB1. I'd much rather have the XB1 version be lacking compared to Scarlett as opposed to both being equal.
Halo 4 mp was divisive.
Halo 5 mp was generally praised, apart from those that want Halo to be a reskined Halo 2 mp..
You do understand Halo's about to do GOW4 number's with 40-50 million userbase right?
It has the campaign - check
it has the Multi-player - check
It has Forge (in Multi- player) - check
It has 4 player split-screen/LAN action - check (was missing from the last Halo)
It will have the iconic Halo maps - check
It will move the Masterchief story line forward - check
What are you complaining about???
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Yet that group of people are a big part of the Halo community. Them not playing is one of the reasons it's 30 odd places down the chart.
And yet they are the primary audience for Halo MCC and its still behind Halo 5 (though only by a few places at any time).
That audience left years ago after three really (imo) terrible MP experiences and an absolute cluster of a launch with MCC. The Halo brand has been severely damaged which is why a lot of the old heads have no interest in Infinite or are playing the waiting game.
*Rolls eyes until they bleed*
Yeah, how dare Microsoft put out a game that will have a massive population thanks to it working across multiple platforms.
"Them" not playing you mean those Pros that only play Halo games when there's a 50k + dollar tournament on the horizon?
I don't buy that for a second. It's true the MCC had a horrible launch but it works perfectly now, is included on gamepass and yet the population numbers are barely higher than 5's.
There is such a thing as "momentum". Just like the xbox one itself, having a bad start can kill your chances especially if the competition is on the ball. But that does not mean a fresh start cannot bring the franchise to be successful again.
Halo MCC lost its momentum when they left it to die for 3 years. We'll see if the PC version can change that idea that some people still have of it being a "broken game".
But my point is, the next xbox and the next Halo are very much "a fresh start". Its up to them to not fuck it up. If the game is good, the audience will be there especially if people like Ninja play it on the regular.
The game is 5 years old and was only fixed a year ago. The people that left will either play it on pc or will see how Infinite ends up.
Same could be said of TLOU2 and ps4 to PS5. But I know 343 will make the scarlet version something unbelievable!
Open World isn't necessarily even a good thing. Halo's missions should (IMO) be designed in ways that are similar to the mission Halo or Assault on the Control Room. Large, with multiple ways to get through it, but still linear in the sense that you are working toward a definite 'end' to that particular mission.
Gimme missions like that in H6 and I'll be happy.
Gimme missions like that in H6 and I'll be happy.
The hedge perhaps comes from the idea that some are expecting an open world consisting of a full Halo Ring installation.
The amount of area that would comprise of is massive.
Perhaps the levels will be massive, but not encompass an entire installation.
I had imagined a combination of traditional levels and interstitial open environments, not unlike ODST (or even GOW4).
A contiguously rendered ringworld would be impossible without some crazy proc-gen. I'd never expect that.
Three years is a long time for a fix. We are now in year 5.
I think the worry is a bit overblown too and I think over time devs will be smarter about how to implement and improve both versions but there are examples. Here's one from Jason Schreier's book blood sweat and pixels talking about dragon age inquisition being cross gen
Point taken and thanks for this. People usually don't provide an example like this.
Newer engines and architecture are really scalable, so it's much easier to ramp back and forth between gens.
However, this is dependent on just how ambitious the next gen version is.
There ain't system on Earth or enough man hours to render and design a ringworld to proper scale anyway.
I always find it funny that people talk about holding games back for a new generation comes in when developers never have enough time to even take full advantage of an ever moving target up until launch. If anything holds a game back, it's time developing it nowadays, not necessarily the hardware.
LOL, this is pretty dam true. I mean like outside of PC games there aren't many console games outside CoD, Siege and GTA that have the multiplayer longevity that Halo 5 has had. Some people won't speak what doesn't fit their narrow ass viewpoint of gaming.
There's an odd narrative forming in this thread to imply that Halo 5 was a really successful multiplayer game in its day and only now, four years later, it has slipped down the charts. This really doesn't fit my recollection at all. Halo 5 sold well initially and was moderately popular for a short period, but it's been a long way down the most played charts for a very long time. It wasn't in any sense a big hit like Halo 2 and 3 were. Also worth remembering that you have to buy an Xbox to play it, and yet it's thwomped by all the multiplatform games on the Xbox charts.
Halo 5's quality gets exaggerated a fair bit here. Arena is good, but lacks content and variety in a way which meant I grew bored after a month or so. Halo for me was always defined by the mixup of vehicle and infantry gameplay, and 343i fucked that side of it up royally. Arena which is solely focused on infantry, Big Team Battle late and only shitty forge maps, and Warzone which is designed to make money first and foremost.
Halo 5's quality gets exaggerated a fair bit here. Arena is good, but lacks content and variety in a way which meant I grew bored after a month or so. Halo for me was always defined by the mixup of vehicle and infantry gameplay, and 343i fucked that side of it up royally. Arena which is solely focused on infantry, Big Team Battle late and only shitty forge maps, and Warzone which is designed to make money first and foremost.
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I wish some fighting games were dead like halo 5 is dead. Maybe I'd get a few matches
What? TLoU II will be released way before the PS5, and there is no talk about a PS5 version at all.
Like what you like (though I think that a near-cynical assessment tbh) I didn't suggest the game was a stonking success, but it clearly has an appeal and a quality that has endured despite its problems and the travails of the Xbox One.
Dude.... TLOU2 will be released spring 2020 and PS5 will be released fall 2020. Not sure I would say that is WAY before lol. Given how TLOU1 was released late ps3 gen then immediately had a remaster released on ps4, do you honestly think the samething will not happen here. I bring that up because it puts Sonys flagship IP in the same spot as Infinite, at a late gen/beginning of new gen release. I however don't think it will affect how amazing either will look on the latest platform.
Halo 5 is a 4 year old game at this point. Considering it hasn't had any major content updates in two years and tournament support in over a year I would say it's doing pretty well still. In addition it had the highest player retention rate since Halo 3.
I'd argue despite it's short comings it is a much more varied and quality game over other shooters aswell.
I'm pretty sure both of us were joking. Nobody is expecting a game with ~3,000,000 km² of playing space.