Ah sorry, I forgot that I can of course only find my SO cute and couldn't see anyone else as acting cute or adorable at all.
My mistake.
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Ghostwire director Ikumi Nakamura has developed quite the fan art following [see staff posts]
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She seems to be enjoying it from the looks of it and it's great that she is.
Nevertheless, there is still an underlying issue that exists with this in regards to fetishization. Luckily it's not too excessive in this particular case, but there are already examples. It's important to acknowledge that while all of this is in good fun for the most part, it's also important to acknowledge the potential issue at hand. It's especially important not to immediately shoot down that point.
It doesn't come as a surprise how often the weeb avatars on these forums do the latter, and can only be telling of their beliefs on the subject in a larger context. Already seen plenty of them show themselves in previous threads when the subject is brought up.
Nevertheless, there is still an underlying issue that exists with this in regards to fetishization. Luckily it's not too excessive in this particular case, but there are already examples. It's important to acknowledge that while all of this is in good fun for the most part, it's also important to acknowledge the potential issue at hand. It's especially important not to immediately shoot down that point.
It doesn't come as a surprise how often the weeb avatars on these forums do the latter, and can only be telling of their beliefs on the subject in a larger context. Already seen plenty of them show themselves in previous threads when the subject is brought up.
Why is the non-creepy art an example of fetishism? Is there creepy art that isn't being posted?
People treating Asian women like objects and verbs, rather than successful businesspeople and bestselling authors? Yeah.
I think the conversation is too nuanced to have on a forum during peak traffic time, but it's an issue our society will have to grapple with if we want more women in boardrooms.
Hopefully the game is good...women getting chances to be a great part of representation in an overly male dominated industry is only a good thing. And if the game is awesome, that's just infinitely more cred to her name.
Fuck that got mePeople calling her cute when she was clearly there telling us about Bloodborne 2 while making contact
Nothing cute about eldritch horror
You're not interested in how she feels like, are you? Only how you feel like.
She seems to quite appreciate people drawing her.
This logic is how you end up in HR mandated sensitivity training
I don't think anyone in here said that about you, but you've been running around calling people joyless chuds just for going "This is weird" and as a woman, it's pretty shitty seeing people shoot down a discussion about this before it can even start.
Don't get me wrong, I thought she was fun and the fan art she's retweeting is harmless, but this doesn't happen in a vaccum and it doesn't ruin anyone's fun to discuss it.
I don't think we can have that conversation here at any time.
Shush, they enjoy the view from atop their high horse as they cast derision upon us mere mortals.
.The fan arts is mostly from women and some are Asians and Nakamura likes them.
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As long as she's having fun with it, then I think it's fine. She came out with genuine emotion and excitement about her game which we always call for more of at E3 and the like so I don't see any issues with this. When/If it starts getting real creepy and she starts to address that, then it's a problem.
This is great. Love seeing dev relationships like this.
This is great. Love seeing dev relationships like this.
I don't know, but I always assume that answer to such a question is "yes".
I mean this is the same foru where several members openly responded with hostility to videos of people who had depression and found solace in video games because it was from bethesda so I don't think the "celebrate this as a positive moment" holds up very well.
I mean I don't think even a place as progressive as Era is even remotely ready to have this conversation as several members perpetuate the issue and only treat women as a monolith when they agree with them while ignoring things like articles or even your posts about others going through the same thing. Which is why someone says something along the lines of "well my wife loves being called cute." Yea my SO doesn't enjoy being called cute. Some african americans don't mind being called well spoken. That doesn't mean that an issue doesn't exist.
I don't know how to feel about this but at least social media is promoting her as the director of the game more than fucking Bethesda.
The art will certainly be fantastic and she has a lot of the same team as well.
Low key calling out the entire games premise there.
What?
I loved her enthusiasm. She's easily the best presenter to come on stage on any live stream so far.
I ended up finding it... kind of endearing, because it felt like we were really looking at someone very anxious but very excited and passionate, and not someone regurgitating marketing drivel. (edit: Reminds me of the Mario x Rabbids game's director from the expo a couple years ago, that guy got a lot of love too.)
Her presentation had a lot of personality, too. Ironically I think people are calling her adorable and stuff because she actually had a personality and style while presenting.
As for the fan art, I've seen people do fan art of people they don't personally know, like (including male) streamers. Since she's retweeting them, no harm no foul (until a weeb inevitably makes it weird).
That said it's perfectly valid to be uncomfortable with stuff like this too lol
I ended up finding it... kind of endearing, because it felt like we were really looking at someone very anxious but very excited and passionate, and not someone regurgitating marketing drivel. (edit: Reminds me of the Mario x Rabbids game's director from the expo a couple years ago, that guy got a lot of love too.)
Her presentation had a lot of personality, too. Ironically I think people are calling her adorable and stuff because she actually had a personality and style while presenting.
As for the fan art, I've seen people do fan art of people they don't personally know, like (including male) streamers. Since she's retweeting them, no harm no foul (until a weeb inevitably makes it weird).
That said it's perfectly valid to be uncomfortable with stuff like this too lol
Losing my shitPeople calling her cute when she was clearly there telling us about Bloodborne 2 while making contact
Nothing cute about eldritch horror
She started yelling YAAAAAY before she even walked on stage. She said a bunch of silly things and did a bunch of silly poses. If they're acting in a cute way, I think it's reasonable to assume they want to be considered cute. Of course some people are going to take it too far though.
The fan arts is mostly from women and some are Asians and Nakamura likes them.
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I know right? People need to chill lol. All the "yikes" and "this is creepy" posts are just cringe.
No but I'm pretty sure Ono has some fan art out there of him dressed up as Chun-li. Ono is the cutest man not named Keanu Reaves and I say that as a straight dude.
No, the article you posted has much more to do with workplace professionalism and the problem asians deal with with regards to it. Out of that context it's a much harder ball game to play, because there's no one size fits all case and this is a case where I feel the shoe really doesn't fit because she blows up much more because of her enthusiasm and charisma than she just did because people just found her 'cute'. There are some posts like that here and there but taking that as the overwhelming reason just feels like a disservice to her.
Well I get the point you were making now but that's a complete theoretical, devs that stand out due to certain qualities and make great games are a rare combination anyway.
See, that's what I mean! It's Hideki Kamiya 2
It's therefore also part of this cycle that once she gets fed up with all the westerners that keep admiring her she starts to block them and write things like "SHUT UP AND USE YOUR BRAIN, INSECT!"
Exactly. That was my main take away really. I wish we could have more peeps like her on stage, just expressing their joy.
Thanks for letting me laugh like an idiot.
So far, the only ones that made it weird are some people in this thread.
While yes, that kind of shit can easily turn into something problematic and fetishistic, and very likely already is for some, I'd say that the reaction towards her is no different than how people treated Yarn Guy, or the crying MvR Ubisoft dev.
Someone really endearing and passionate about their project, so much so that they express it physically, are celebrated for their infectious enthusiasm and likability.
Gamers are creepy fucks in general, but I don't think this is a notable display of said creep factor.
Someone really endearing and passionate about their project, so much so that they express it physically, are celebrated for their infectious enthusiasm and likability.
Gamers are creepy fucks in general, but I don't think this is a notable display of said creep factor.
Going by this thread I don't think the internet is ready for a Tsundere game dev.
This, it reallt shows the shitty sense of moral superiority people in here are showing because "haha look at these weeb avatars", which is just really toxic.
A woman who appears to be respected for her work in a professional capacity and is in a lead role at a Japanese studio being celebrated by a wider audience for her personality and her subsequent enjoyment of that celebration I cannot personally see as a problem. In fact I would call it the opposite of a problem. We should not be attempting to shut that down by attaching it to an issue of otherwise unsolicited and unwanted fetishism of Asian women. Or other issues of workplace harassment or people being belittled though infantilization.
I understand some see it as perpetuating or otherwise normalizing certain types of behavior but this is a specific scenario involving a specific person not a larger slippery slope. She clearly is enjoying it and any part of that is both directed at her and she is enjoying should not be an issue. That's my 2 cents.
The fan arts is mostly from women and some are Asians and Nakamura likes them.
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She was the best part of an otherwise boring show, how dare she do anything other than read from a script in a monotone voice! Doesn't she know she's not allowed to act cute!
And that means Johanas could direct Evil Within 3 starring Kidman and Oda, right?
RIGHT?!
But seriously, I loved Evil WIthin 2
Not me sir! I'm the wokest, infact I think I saw someone over there doing something not very woke at all.
I have to imagine that's a possibility. If we do get interviews and they say it began development before TEW2's release, I'd take it as pretty much a confirmation.
She spoke in public (really hard), not using her first language (really hard), and she completely sold it and got over with the crowd (really hard).
Mad respect, I hope the temporary bump in public image does wonders for her career. The industry could use a female director whose name is recognized and who is asked to premier games on stage more than once, and she's in a prime position to do just that.
Mad respect, I hope the temporary bump in public image does wonders for her career. The industry could use a female director whose name is recognized and who is asked to premier games on stage more than once, and she's in a prime position to do just that.