That is a weird criticism though. Of course a developer whose office language is using English as the primary language the game is developed in, because it is what everyone on the team speaks. I am sure the same happens in reverse with Eastern companies developing games set in the West. Calling that an inaccuracy seems far-fetched.
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Ghost of Tsushima Is the Third Western Game to Earn a Famitsu Perfect Score
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That is a weird criticism though. Of course a developer whose office language is using English as the primary language the game is developed in, because it is what everyone on the team speaks. I am sure the same happens in reverse with Eastern companies developing games set in the West. Calling that an inaccuracy seems far-fetched.
I agree, I like XIII-2 a fair bit. They should port the trilogy to modern consoles, I think people would enjoy it more now that it's evident that those games aren't indicative of the future direction of the franchise.
The point is that a score alone tells you very little about whether you will enjoy the game.
There seemed to be a conscious effort to get the Japanese correct based on some of the articles linked in the review thread. We had a thread where people were making fun of the start screen earlier and reading the commentary from Japanese people it seems like it was a non issue.
Sadly there also seems to be some interpretations out there of nationalism that can permeate the narrative. Which as far as I understand it, can be representative of Japan and its struggle to come to terms with its past issues. As an American I can fully understand this. I'd hope there would be some criticism around that which doesn't seem to be the case from what I'm reading? I'll be curious as I play it to see if I see that too.
I'd leave it up to cultural differences but to me I don't see how it's appropriate in any language. You should not value women solely for their looks (duh). It is rather overt though if that is the actual language, hard to say with my ignorance of Japanese.
Oh, I just saw that it was Push Square who called it "Japanese gaming bible Famitsu" (no clue how I missed it the first time).
Now it makes sense.
Now it makes sense.
Good. It's one of the most underrated game in the series, also top tier vilain.
In the real world where games cost 100m to make at a studio where everyone speaks English and most people playing will speak English, no it shouldn't have been. I don't know why anyone would expect this game to be close to 100% accurate, unless they love being disappointed at things on a regular basis and are being disingenuous.
Obviously it would have been nice if they did it for both languages for a game like this.
I think English speakers would be able to stomach English being a dub in a game set in historical Japan.
I'm kinda not that surprised. Japan is very receptive to the idealistic, myth-like depiction of Samurai. I remember The Last Samurai also being massively successful over there, even won "best foreign movie" in their equivalent to the academy awards.
The issue with the dub is unfortunate. Makes me appreciate Square Enix's effort with FFVIIR even more, since they went the extra mile to re-animate all of the lip-syncing for English VA. It didn't look quite as good as the facial motion capture used for the Japanese VA, but it was most definitely much better than the alternative.
The issue with the dub is unfortunate. Makes me appreciate Square Enix's effort with FFVIIR even more, since they went the extra mile to re-animate all of the lip-syncing for English VA. It didn't look quite as good as the facial motion capture used for the Japanese VA, but it was most definitely much better than the alternative.
Well, that's explains that, lol.
BotW isn't a western game.
Edit - okay, I'm late with this! Never mind.
Pretty sure they didn't reanime but used some kind of learning AI. The result is impressive for sure, but the japanese lipsync looks better in that game.
I would like to believe this, but I have friends who just straight-up aren't interested in watching a movie with subtitles, and if the lip-sync was off with the English track on Ghosts, they wouldn't give a damn about "authenticity." They'd think the game is broken.
For the record, it bums me out immensely the Japanese track isn't synced, but I'll live.
That's what they said (and sort of showed) in a BTS video but I'm not 100% sure if it's just an algorithm, it kinda looks too good for that, at least during cutscenes.
This is a crazy statement but I think you're too optimistic about English audiences. We are entitled media gluttons.
If anyone has any deep interest in how critics etc are perceived differently in Japanese markets compared to Western markets (beyond Famitsu! This isn't a gaming only thing), there's a really great chapter about it in the FANTASTIC book 'Quit Your Band! Musical Notes From The Japanese Underground' around how it works in music. Buy the book, it's great (post not paid for by the publisher).
It's a great read (even beyond this chapter, obviously)
It's a great read (even beyond this chapter, obviously)
No, they wouldn't. Even in this forum there's many people that wouldn't.
Honest question: are there games that actually animate characters lip sync in multiple languages?
Sure. Plenty. The most recent example I can think of is FFVII Remake.
As far as this generation goes:
Metro Exodus: Russian and English
The Witcher 3: Polish and English
FFVII: Remake: Japanese and English
I played FF7 Remake in English. There sure was an attempt, but it wasn't great.
Death Stranding is a bit 50/50. It's not fully lip synced but they definitely did some work to match up the mouth movements with the Japanese dub. You can tell that the lips are making different sounds but the timing completely matches up.
Regardless of how many games are actually doing this, this is a Samurai-based title and published/funded by a Japanese corporation, not having a dedicated JP lip sync is...weird?
Not to mention how much they pushed the game as a love letter to Samurai cinema
That's probably the most you can do when you have a game that uses performance capture for the acting
They usually do this when the native (developer) dub language may not be the most used worldwide, so they lipsync for a second language too, often English. Of course that's only for higher profile games, since it's not very cheap.
GoT wouldn't normally need this since you'd expect western games to be played mostly in English worldwide, but it's a very particular case of Japanese being prefered for many (and also advertised by Sucker Punch itself), so there's this disconnect.
Huh I'll add it to the list, seems like this topic will come up again in relation to Ghost of Tsushima :).
Am I wrong to find it suspect that one of the only western games they give a perfect score is rooted deeply in Japanese culture?
I see what you're saying but that's just not realistic. It's still a Western studio primarily targeting a Western market
I agree with this. I don't understand why you'd expect an english native speaking team to not prioritize their own native language in making a game. People expecting 100% accuracy in everything is an impossible and exhausting endeavour. Especially for a fictional game.
Yeah I understand why people want it, they want that full immersion. And the best of both worlds would be English and Japanese lip syncing.
Yeah, the OP should address this and include the actual translation rather than a second-party report on the review.
Well, Devil May Cry and Resident Evil games are lip-synced in English.
That's my point! Even in this forum where people are most likely to stomach no English dub, there's a loud minority decrying it. Imagine everywhere else.
Not to take anything from Ghost of Tsushima, but don't these guys just give high to perfect scores like candy
