Oh, no worries, I understand that much!Jin's arc is the realisation of how restricting and obtuse the bushido code is. He got the job done in a different but honorless way. Yes, it got him into trouble, lost approbation and his titles / namesake but he saved his people.
Accepting to take Shimura's life is him accepting to be bound by the code he spent the entire game breaking from, to kill a loved father figure that didn't deserved it.
Sparring Shimura's life is fully embracing Jin's walkaway from the bushido to create his own path, his own way, and granting his father mercy and giving him a second chance.
Ghost of Tsushima - Spoiler Thread Spoiler
Didn't see a spoiler thread for this, so... Feel free to discuss the game openly. Please do not scroll down beyond the OP and second post if you do not wish to be spoiled on the game.www.resetera.com
My issue with the Ghost of Tsushima ending (open spoiler) Spoiler
So basically it's what I think of the choice ending. I'm just not really a fan of of these in general in games that aren't already structured for it. GoT is a set story with a set character arc. It would mean having to determine what ending to go with after the fact. Except I found out...www.resetera.com
—duplicating my comments from the previous threads—
I disagree that sparing Shimura is the "better" ending. I can get that people will prefer it but I don't agree that it is better (given the circumstances or the scenes themselves):
All the things Jin did in the game were burdens he took on for other people's sake. He abandon's the code and "lowers himself" for the sake of helping/saving others. It just doesn't reconcile with me that in the final moments of the game he would 180 on that trait and choose to lower his uncle (which he know won't save him at all), for the sake of himself. I know a lot of people are dead set on spare though so I'll leave it as agree to disagree.
I think this is a really absolutist take. I don't find it crazy that Jin could take a last moment to do what Shimura wanted as a final parting gift to him, and I really don't think it "destroys the entire story arc and character progression" to commit a solitary act like that. That act alone doesn't define how Jin will go on living in the future imo.
I think you're ignoring the uncle factor in this. Shimura is a piece of shit, but he also raised Jin and cared for him as a father for this entire life. Jin loves him. Jin is also aware what sparing him will mean for his uncle. He will be dishonored and stripped of everything. He'd be a living husk without his honor. Jin's own honor shouldn't really factor in, killing him is sparing Shimura from a fate worst than death for him.Jin's arc is the realisation of how restricting and obtuse the bushido code is. He got the job done in a different but honorless way. Yes, it got him into trouble, lost approbation and his titles / namesake but he saved his people.
Accepting to take Shimura's life is him accepting to be bound by the code he spent the entire game breaking from, to kill a loved father figure that didn't deserved it.
Sparring Shimura's life is fully embracing Jin's walkaway from the bushido to create his own path, his own way, and granting his father mercy and giving him a second chance.
I agree it seems to the canon Ending as I feel Jin would not do what shimura asks.See the simple question above.
i myself have no honor and I was happy with the ending
But who's fault is that? Not Jin's that's for sure. Shimura blindly followed the Samurai code. He got himself into that mess. It's not on Jin to reconcile his uncle's problems.This is why I couldnt get myself to pick that option, not only would Shimura likely die either way, this death would have been far more shameful for him, you are doing good to no one by sparing him.
I don't disagree with the notion about their code being incredibly restrictive and frankly just all-around not great for the majority of those involved with it, just to be clear. I understand the messages of the game.No, they're right. The whole game is about Jin realising that Bushido is a load of crap. All this talk of pride and honour cost many people their lives and would've cost many more if Jin hadn't abandoned Bushido and done what was necessary.
Besides, since when is killing someone a "parting gift"? Jin's uncle wanted to die because of a ridiculous belief in death before dishonour. You can't get a more petty reason than that for throwing your life away.
Jin was no longer samurai. Honor meant nothing anymore, if he wanted to die he could do it himself.
I think they're both good but holy shit the ending where you kill him is so much sadder. I think I ended up liking that one better.
Well said. In addition I also feel that based on the dialog of his uncle still being able to start a new family, he would for sure be happy to be alive in hindsight once his new child is born.Well said. I would just qualify the idea that Jin had no honor anymore/honor meant nothing....more that Jin no longer attached any importance to the samurai traditional definition of honor. Jin has his own personal sense of honor and is now free to define his own code in my view.
I chose the 'Honor' option.
Honor is just another form of morality at the end of the day, so believing that the specific morality/honour of the Samurai is wrong doesn't mean one has to completely throw away any semblance of morality. In this case Jin letting Shimura live would just be killing him in a longer, more drawn-out, and more shameful way for practically no reason other than spite; it's not like Jin sparing him would suddenly change the culture that would lead to any semblance of a 'good' outcome for Shimura.
I killed the uncle. Didn't do it for honor, did it because it's what he wanted.
Eyes that saw my painHands that shaped the world
A bond broken forever
I fight without hope