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Ghost of Tsushima: ending poll (potential spoilers)
- Thread starter Genetrik
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I think they're both good but holy shit the ending where you kill him is so much sadder. I think I ended up liking that one better.
Honour is for the weak. If you find shame in living, then life is the best punishment of them all.
I forget which one counts as "honorable" and which one is "dishonorable."
But I spared my uncle and was happy with the conclusion.
But I spared my uncle and was happy with the conclusion.
Pretty much. It wasn't about honour, it was more about caring about Shimura.
I get that people are arguing that Jin has learned that theres no point in honor which is why the other option is the only one that makes sense, but I honestly didnt even think about that when given the option.
I was thinking about how much would uncle hate himself and suffer (for failling to kill Jin and being left alive, he might as well just die by the order of the mainland in a shameful manner, which would be even worse) in the option of sparing him. To me I chose to respect his desire for honor for himself, rather than the honor of Jin.
Which is why I also dont feel really complete selecting "I choose Honor" in the poll, but rather "I choose to respect his honor, as that is his wish".
Also that ending was far more emotional.
I was thinking about how much would uncle hate himself and suffer (for failling to kill Jin and being left alive, he might as well just die by the order of the mainland in a shameful manner, which would be even worse) in the option of sparing him. To me I chose to respect his desire for honor for himself, rather than the honor of Jin.
Which is why I also dont feel really complete selecting "I choose Honor" in the poll, but rather "I choose to respect his honor, as that is his wish".
Also that ending was far more emotional.
I killed him. For me, it wasn't about honour, but about Jin respecting his surrogate father's wish
not killing him seemed pointlessly vindictive and petty even if his actions were costly, flawed and dumb. jin did the "dishonorable" expedient things to defeat the mongols but i don't feel he'd do that to his uncle imo
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Same for me + the fact that there was this dialog about him still being able to start a new family. If that happens, he would have been glad to be alive.
One thing I loved about this ending is that there was no clear right answer. Its heavily implied that Shimura would be asked to commit suicide in disgrace for his failure anyways, but neither choice is right or wrong. I chose to honor Shimura's request because I felt it fit better with the story. The whole story Jin is sacrificing the personal for others. At the end, it seemed more poetic to have Jin sacrifice a piece of himself to save his uncle's honor. He may not have been bound by the honor code of the Samurai anymore, but his uncle was.
Interestingly enough I also think it's the happy ending. It's the one where both Jin and Shimura finally see themselves as father and son.
I feel that sparing him would have been (for me) a selfish act to avoid feeling bad. Shimura won't have to live with shame, and Jin will have honored his uncle's honor.
Honestly, it would have felt weird to have split from my Uncle specifically because i didn't subscribe to the whole "honor doctrine anymore" only to kill him because it'd be the "honorable" death for him.
Fuck that. Fuck honor. Stealth kills rule, killing your uncle sucks.
Fuck that. Fuck honor. Stealth kills rule, killing your uncle sucks.
This is why I couldnt get myself to pick that option, not only would Shimura likely die either way, this death would have been far more shameful for him, you are doing good to no one by sparing him.
Should make the poll more clear, I don't remember which is which lmao
I spared him, but was convinced through discussion that killing him is better as that's what the uncle wanted. People like to make the counterargument that this would be a continuation of Jin being a slave to the samurai code, but I disagree. The whole point IMO is that Jin has essentially learned to be a lot more flexible. He's not some outright villain that will do whatever he wants, or will fuck over his uncle's wishes out of spite. He now realizes that while he wishes to be an overall good and honorable person, sometimes you have to bend your code when necessary. Just because the samurai code is ass doesn't mean we do the other extreme of saying there's absolutely nothing Jin can take from it. Given the reality of what would've happened if Jin had spared him (uncle is disgraced and forced to commit suicide) I could see him accepting his uncle's final wish out of sympathy for him.
At any rate, I don't like that the game randomly makes you make this important ass choice. The whole game never has you do this multiple choice thing, so it just doesn't fit at all. Just stick to an ending and the story would've been stronger for it.
I spared him, but was convinced through discussion that killing him is better as that's what the uncle wanted. People like to make the counterargument that this would be a continuation of Jin being a slave to the samurai code, but I disagree. The whole point IMO is that Jin has essentially learned to be a lot more flexible. He's not some outright villain that will do whatever he wants, or will fuck over his uncle's wishes out of spite. He now realizes that while he wishes to be an overall good and honorable person, sometimes you have to bend your code when necessary. Just because the samurai code is ass doesn't mean we do the other extreme of saying there's absolutely nothing Jin can take from it. Given the reality of what would've happened if Jin had spared him (uncle is disgraced and forced to commit suicide) I could see him accepting his uncle's final wish out of sympathy for him.
At any rate, I don't like that the game randomly makes you make this important ass choice. The whole game never has you do this multiple choice thing, so it just doesn't fit at all. Just stick to an ending and the story would've been stronger for it.
I was just thinking about this ending last night. One of my favorite endings to a game in a while.
Anyway, No Honor ending is the canon ending IMO. How can it be any other way, based on the entire story of the game and Jin's arc? The way he delivers that line and walks away....just incredible stuff. Raises the hair on the back of your neck.
Anyway, No Honor ending is the canon ending IMO. How can it be any other way, based on the entire story of the game and Jin's arc? The way he delivers that line and walks away....just incredible stuff. Raises the hair on the back of your neck.
Couldn't say it better myself.
Honor died on the beach. I am not a Samurai anymore.
I think this is a really absolutist take. I don't find it crazy that Jin could take a last moment to do what Shimura wanted as a final parting gift to him, and I really don't think it "destroys the entire story arc and character progression" to commit a solitary act like that. That act alone doesn't define how Jin will go on living in the future imo.
Ghost of Tsushima - Spoiler Thread Spoiler
Didn't see a spoiler thread for this, so... Feel free to discuss the game openly. Please do not scroll down beyond the OP and second post if you do not wish to be spoiled on the game.
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My issue with the Ghost of Tsushima ending (open spoiler) Spoiler
So basically it's what I think of the choice ending. I'm just not really a fan of of these in general in games that aren't already structured for it. GoT is a set story with a set character arc. It would mean having to determine what ending to go with after the fact. Except I found out...
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—duplicating my comments from the previous threads—
I disagree that sparing Shimura is the "better" ending. I can get that people will prefer it but I don't agree that it is better (given the circumstances or the scenes themselves):
All the things Jin did in the game were burdens he took on for other people's sake. He abandon's the code and "lowers himself" for the sake of helping/saving others. It just doesn't reconcile with me that in the final moments of the game he would 180 on that trait and choose to lower his uncle (which he know won't save him at all), for the sake of himself. I know a lot of people are dead set on spare though so I'll leave it as agree to disagree.
Pretty much. Jin says that in canon, earlier in the game. So why would he all of the sudden switch back to honor right there when he is already outed regardless?
lmao, this was me as well. Also, I think it's a better ending tbh.
Jin's arc is the realisation of how restricting and obtuse the bushido code is. He got the job done in a different but honorless way. Yes, it got him into trouble, lost approbation and his titles / namesake but he saved his people.
Accepting to take Shimura's life is him accepting to be bound by the code he spent the entire game breaking from, to kill a loved father figure that didn't deserved it.
Sparring Shimura's life is fully embracing Jin's walkaway from the bushido to create his own path, his own way, and granting his father mercy and giving him a second chance.
Where has this been stated? I'd be curious to see that confirmed.
I spared, no honor, fuck it.
What is so brilliant about the ending is that both choices are equally valid/understandable/"right".
I chose to Spare, given it seemed the final culminating act/decision of Jin's personal journey/transformation, realizing that he was beyond now the code and definition of honor he had been raised in and now was free to live his own code/define his own way and meaning of honor. But again both choices make total sense. Apparently, the Spare ending is the canon ending according to an interview with Nate Fox of Sucker Punch.
I chose to Spare, given it seemed the final culminating act/decision of Jin's personal journey/transformation, realizing that he was beyond now the code and definition of honor he had been raised in and now was free to live his own code/define his own way and meaning of honor. But again both choices make total sense. Apparently, the Spare ending is the canon ending according to an interview with Nate Fox of Sucker Punch.
lmao shimura doesn't get a second chance if you spare him. he'd be forced to commit suicide and would have to live the rest of his life up to that point in disgrace