Yeah I know been PC gaming 30 years but if the games I play require extra that they don't on a Windows install then the choice is clear for me.
Good thing I have till Q2 2022 to decide which way to go
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Getting a Steam Deck? See how much of your Steam Library will actually run on it at ProtonDB.
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Good thing I have till Q2 2022 to decide which way to go
It's a bit more nuanced just fyi as someone who has been gaming on Linux since long before steam even had a Linux client. Counterintuitively some native ports are not maintained and fall behind as libraries drift. I wouldn't say you are guaranteed for them to run 'like butter' as an early poster said.
The steam Linux runtime did not actually include everything every game would natively build against or assume is there. Obviously with valve controlling the OS and hardware and probably integration testing a billion games every night this is less likely to be the case here, but we'll see. Valve may end up needing to fall back some games to Proton that have native ports (you can already do this manually if you want)
Proton support is great, it's the biggest thing any company has done in gaming to make my life easier but... well every single person who uses it can probably tell you about a different unique quirk/bug in a different game that they have had to deal with. It's usually entirely tolerable, especially for Linux desktop users who are typically tinkerers, but well, it is what it is. It doesn't matter if they're all Gold or Platinum when there's a little weirdness. They need to button it up to make it a viable thing for your average consumer still.
The steam Linux runtime did not actually include everything every game would natively build against or assume is there. Obviously with valve controlling the OS and hardware and probably integration testing a billion games every night this is less likely to be the case here, but we'll see. Valve may end up needing to fall back some games to Proton that have native ports (you can already do this manually if you want)
Proton support is great, it's the biggest thing any company has done in gaming to make my life easier but... well every single person who uses it can probably tell you about a different unique quirk/bug in a different game that they have had to deal with. It's usually entirely tolerable, especially for Linux desktop users who are typically tinkerers, but well, it is what it is. It doesn't matter if they're all Gold or Platinum when there's a little weirdness. They need to button it up to make it a viable thing for your average consumer still.
Will non steam games work as well in SteamOS Without installing Windows. Epic game store games as well, I guess. Does andone have the Steam version of FFXIV? What is it's rating. I have the non Steam version, so it doesn't show on the list. Otherwize, it looks like I'm only out 5 games out of 150.
I know that on the Deck itself ProtonDB will have a different meaning, but after multiple whitelisted and Platinum rated Proton title refused to run for me at all, people should just use ProtonDB as a guideline of what they can expect the best case scenario to be
No, you can add a non-steam executable to steam and force it to launch through proton (and even select which version of proton you want to use).
For games that use installers, however, it is more advised to run the installer through WINE itself, or use lutris to set up the program, then either run the executable through wine or add it as a non-steam game to steam.
No, it runs fine in linux as well.
I have about 670 titles according to Proton. So far the ones that don't work are:
The Typing of the Dead: Overkill,
Darksiders,
Duke Nukem Forever,
Universe Sandbox Legacy,
Aliens: Colonial Marines,
Agents of Mayhem,
Dark Void,
Splinter Cell: Conviction,
Chime,
Homefront,
Dead Pixels,
Kyn,
Shock Troopers,
Twinkle Star Sprites,
Viking: Battle for Asgard,
The Last Blade,
Shock Troopers 2nd Squad,
Kill la Kill -IF,
DJMAX Respect V,
Destiny 2,
Scavengers,
Dirt 3,
Driver San Francisco,
Darksiders II,
Transformers: Fall of Cybertron,
DisplayFusion,
Star Trek,
Deadpool,
Adventure Time: Explore the Dungeon,
Amazing Spider-Man 2,
Spider-Man: Shattered Dimensions,
& Wallpaper Engine.
The only one that MAJORLY bums me out of DJMAX. I was really looking forward to a portable version of that. But at least Groove Coaster is Platinum.
The Typing of the Dead: Overkill,
Darksiders,
Duke Nukem Forever,
Universe Sandbox Legacy,
Aliens: Colonial Marines,
Agents of Mayhem,
Dark Void,
Splinter Cell: Conviction,
Chime,
Homefront,
Dead Pixels,
Kyn,
Shock Troopers,
Twinkle Star Sprites,
Viking: Battle for Asgard,
The Last Blade,
Shock Troopers 2nd Squad,
Kill la Kill -IF,
DJMAX Respect V,
Destiny 2,
Scavengers,
Dirt 3,
Driver San Francisco,
Darksiders II,
Transformers: Fall of Cybertron,
DisplayFusion,
Star Trek,
Deadpool,
Adventure Time: Explore the Dungeon,
Amazing Spider-Man 2,
Spider-Man: Shattered Dimensions,
& Wallpaper Engine.
The only one that MAJORLY bums me out of DJMAX. I was really looking forward to a portable version of that. But at least Groove Coaster is Platinum.
One big thing to note here is that anti-cheat isn't the only major problem Valve is promising to solve by December, the other big one is media playback. Proton has struggled for a while with many games using WMV and other media formats that the user legally can't play on their device without a Windows license in some countries due to patent issues.
As of the last 3 weeks this is a partially solved problem, but the results are still rolling out and haven't impacted Protondb yet. Valve is hijacking the "Media Foundation" windows calls and replacing Microsoft encoded videos with transcoded files that are downloaded from the Steam servers. This is a slow rollout right now, mostly impacting RE8 and a few others, but eventually Valve aims to have all games using WMV and similar codecs transcoded on their end and users will get a VP9 or other free version when they download the game.
As of the last 3 weeks this is a partially solved problem, but the results are still rolling out and haven't impacted Protondb yet. Valve is hijacking the "Media Foundation" windows calls and replacing Microsoft encoded videos with transcoded files that are downloaded from the Steam servers. This is a slow rollout right now, mostly impacting RE8 and a few others, but eventually Valve aims to have all games using WMV and similar codecs transcoded on their end and users will get a VP9 or other free version when they download the game.
Not a huge steam gamer as I dont play many singleplayer games on my computer, I mostly use it for casual multiplayer with my friends so I probably wouldnt use it to play these games on anyway. But those games I do play from time to time, could use some work it seems.
Pubg - borked
Quake Champions - Silver
Fall Guys - borked
Pubg - borked
Quake Champions - Silver
Fall Guys - borked
Digital Foundry were using Destiny 2 as an example in their Deck video so I'm surprised to hear that it's being listed as borked
Quake Champions used to work 100% perfectly after Fossilize was added, a lot of the bad results are from many months/years ago. A big issue with Protondb is that it isn't time sensitive, results from Proton over a year ago are still included in the results.
Unfortunately like 2 weeks ago QC added a new anti-cheat that broke Proton... so yeah now it's basically borked.
Out of 188 games, only like 15 are completely borked and they're all games I didn't know I had so I assume just Humble Bundle stuff I didn't care about so all good here.
My Borked list,
Duke Nukem Forever
Galactic Civilisations I
Darksiders
Aliens Colonial Marines
Homefront
Defy Gravity
Fall of Cybertron
Darksiders 2
Sniper Elite Nazi Zombie Army
Star Trek
Eterium
Nosgoth
There came an Echo
Viking
Metro Exodus
Super Dragonball Heroes World Mission
Black Desert
The interface for the site is less than intuitive though I have to say. I would've thought there would be a filter for showing only games that were classed as Borked, but the only way I could find was to sort by ProtonDB rating, and even then Borked and things lacking reports are somewhat mixed together.
Same for Native. If I enable show Native then they're just mixed up and spread all over the place with the rest of my library rather than a nice easy "Only show native" option.
Duke Nukem Forever
Galactic Civilisations I
Darksiders
Aliens Colonial Marines
Homefront
Defy Gravity
Fall of Cybertron
Darksiders 2
Sniper Elite Nazi Zombie Army
Star Trek
Eterium
Nosgoth
There came an Echo
Viking
Metro Exodus
Super Dragonball Heroes World Mission
Black Desert
The interface for the site is less than intuitive though I have to say. I would've thought there would be a filter for showing only games that were classed as Borked, but the only way I could find was to sort by ProtonDB rating, and even then Borked and things lacking reports are somewhat mixed together.
Same for Native. If I enable show Native then they're just mixed up and spread all over the place with the rest of my library rather than a nice easy "Only show native" option.
PUBG and Fall Guys are borked due to anti-cheat, which is a known issue that Valve claims will be fixed before the Deck launches.
Related: Issues like these being fixed are the main reason why I really think the title at least needs updating. This website gives you an idea of the state of Linux gaming right now, but Valve have confirmed their internal version of Proton is vastly different to the one we get publicly at the moment (and the one Proton DB reports are based on). This website isn't going to tell people what is going to work on the Steam Deck (outside of what works already).
The OP kind of mentions this, but we know a lot of people only read the titles
Darksiders Warmastered works fwiw (Media foundation issues I mentioned earlier, but those are a known issue and fixes being rolled out by Valve). The original does seem to be borked. Darksiders II Deathinitive and 3 both work also, so it seems just the original releases of 1 and 2 have issues.
Metro Exodus doesn't work in Proton but has a native port that works great and even supports ray tracing (not the enhanced version though).
Not sure on the others, those just stuck out at me as being resolved issues.
It doesn't work right now due to anti-cheat.
Valve say this will be fixed before launch. If that's true, you'll get your Destiny 2.
I think it's too soon to be looking at these lists since Valve has been doing a lot work on Proton that isn't public yet. Treat it as an indication, not a definitive list.
For people who are proton users what have been you're experience with "silver" and "gold" games? Cause there's enough games in my library in those categories (e.g. Persona 4, Troubleshooter, Tales of Symphonia, Nonary games, Trails of Sky) that I'd want to play on a steamdeck that makes me concerned about performance
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They'll probably remind you that the proton version we'll be using with the steam deck is going to be a more advanced version of what we're currently checking our libraries against on protondb.
So to everyone with borks and silvers and golds, most of this is going to be resolved by the time the deck comes out. Valve has stated as much.
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Exactly what I'm doing. It gives me alot of confidence in the eventual product!
Valve is working to fix Easy Anti-Cheat and Battleye, Destiny 2 has his own Anti-Cheat. I wouldn't count with it been fixed at launch.
Don't be concerned, because compatibility is going to improve.
However, if we talk about how things are now: Gold I wouldn't be too worried about. Usually gold means the game runs perfectly but you'll need to tinker (usually it's just a launch option or something needs to be installed into your proton prefix first).
Silver is where things just vary wildly. I would look closely at the reviews to see exactly what the problem is. Take Persona 4 - It's rated silver because of multimedia codec issues just completely preventing the game from running. If you install the codecs or switch to a version of proton that includes them out the box (like the -GE versions) suddenly it runs perfectly.
Talking of multimedia codecs, this shouldn't be a problem soon either.
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Is there no way to sort by just borked? I have way too many Steam games to go 1-by-1 through the entire list.
Hopefully they do, otherwise I won't be following through with my order. Literally the only reason I reserved a deck was to play D2 in bed.
I mean, you could still do a Windows install in that case. All this advice only applies to SteamOS.
Not really interested in doing that… if I were a betting man I'd bet that the battery life in steamOS mode is significantly better than if booted into windows.
Assuming you already have a PC, even if they don't get it fixed you can just Steam Link to the Steam Deck and stream D2 using LAN to the Deck.
Yeah I can do that on my phone or iPad already… point of the deck is native performance.
Just don't take protondb at face value.
After all it's user generated, and people often don't update their ratings after the game got better.
It's a decent approximation though.
Proton got so much better just this year alone.
After all it's user generated, and people often don't update their ratings after the game got better.
It's a decent approximation though.
Proton got so much better just this year alone.
I wonder how the steam deck is going to handle games that have other launchers like ea origin or uplay?
