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Getting 100% in Nintendo games doesn't seem fun (Super Mario Odyssey)
- Thread starter Gemüsepizza
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I stopped after "beating" the game. How ever many moons that was. My kids on the other hand, they are all about getting every last moon. So, different strokes for different folks.
I've gotten 100% on every 3D Mario aside from Odyssey. Odd mix of random stars with zero effort and tedious ones like the jump rope that I simply didn't want to waste my time.
Kind of weird to argue that Nintendo discourages a completionist mindset or that the moons aren't supposed to be rewarding when the Moon Get jingle, moon checklists, and actual rewards for 100% completion exist.
I really enjoyed getting all of the moons in Odyssey, especially the more challenging parts they added post story. There is no reason to get all the Korok seeds in BotW, that would not be a fun experience (for me at least). Think I ended with around 330-350 seeds?
Odyssey was the first Mario game I haven't 100% in awhile, I liked it but didn't find it that fun once I beat it.
Took me 325 hours to 100% BotW and loved every second of it but with mario I think I stopped in the like 600+ moons at some point felt it was not worth it anymore to me at least.
But there is nothing in Odyssey for "100%" completion outside of just enjoying the game. There's no achievements, no in game reward for 999 moons (and you can get higher than 999 moons the game just stops counting), and the last bit of moon related content you can unlock is simply the darker side at 500.
A list of moons in an area is the exact opposite of an exploitative mechanic its a basic QOL feature.
You get a harder Bowser fight after obtaining all 880 unique moons and a hat for Peach's Castle after 999.
Just saying that your original argument that an achievement list somehow "compels" a player to go for 100% completion, but a moon list and/or in-game rewards for 100% completion don't also compel the same thing, is very, very strange.
The only games that I'm guaranteed to 100% most of the time are Kirby games because they actually unlock the complete story and has the completion percentage on the save file.
If I really like a game, I'll 100% it. I just so happen to really like most 3D Mario games, so yeah, I collected all the moons in Mario Odyssey. It was worth it.
If I really like a game, I'll 100% it. I just so happen to really like most 3D Mario games, so yeah, I collected all the moons in Mario Odyssey. It was worth it.
I played through the main campaign, and was bored out of my skull at the end. It looks great and all, but I vastly prefer the obstacle course approach to Mario to the exploration based approach. Getting all the moons sounds more like torture than fun to be honest.
I wanted Odyssey to end because it made me realize that I don't really like those types of Mario games anymore. I greatly prefer the 2D or 3D Land/World series.
Odyssey, if you aren't gonna beat Dark Side of the Moon then just quit, the game's pretty much over.
Zelda, do all the shrines and beat it. That's pretty much it for most people.
Me? I utterly enjoyed being in both of those games' worlds that I got 999 moons and all 900 Korok seeds. I combed Hyrule myself and found around 720 before needing to consult an online map. I was sad when there was no content left in either game for me to enjoy.
However if you don't enjoy the games THAT much there's no reason to feel obligated to hit either of those goals. Time is precious. Just pick up another game.
Zelda, do all the shrines and beat it. That's pretty much it for most people.
Me? I utterly enjoyed being in both of those games' worlds that I got 999 moons and all 900 Korok seeds. I combed Hyrule myself and found around 720 before needing to consult an online map. I was sad when there was no content left in either game for me to enjoy.
However if you don't enjoy the games THAT much there's no reason to feel obligated to hit either of those goals. Time is precious. Just pick up another game.
I 100%'d BotW and Odyssey and I don't think I've ever 100%'d a Metroidvania. They usually have goals beyond my skill to complete, like Hollow Knight (Grimme Troupe final boss and Godmaster), or feel like an absolute worthless chore to 100% (leveling to max in a Castlevania/Metroid game or finding all the upgrades when you've already beat all bosses).
Achievements compel completion well past the point of actual enjoyment. Playing a game and collecting things because you enjoy playing it is not the same.
Banjo-Kazooie... because getting to the end requires like 95% anyway.
Umm, how about to enjoy the gameplay along the way to collecting them? Why play games if you just see them as one big checklist on the way to 100%ing/Platinuming them?
All the extra moons beyond the story aren't a meaningless experience just because you don't 100% the game.
Sometimes you just play a game until you don't enjoy it anymore and move on to the next one. Maybe pick it up later and try again?
The whole purpose of the hobby is to have fun after all.
Sometimes you just play a game until you don't enjoy it anymore and move on to the next one. Maybe pick it up later and try again?
The whole purpose of the hobby is to have fun after all.
Not only did I get all the overworld moons (863) and then buy my way to the complete 999, I also got enough coins to buy 99 moons in every shop, which is recorded on the per-world moon checklists in the 'map' menu.
I'm still only level 48 in balloon world. I have to find a lot more balloons...
I'm still only level 48 in balloon world. I have to find a lot more balloons...
And vice versa... I'm sure some people complaining about how boring these things are wouldn't bat an eye if it'd get them a plat.
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Thanks for all the replies! The poll result makes me feel a bit better about possibly "missing out". I guess I just have to take it easy with this stuff. Also, the time that I have available for gaming in the future will very likely rather decrease than increase, so I won't even have the time to 100% that many games.
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I agree with this. I feel like Mario Odyssey could have been paced better but the game is still great.
The problem people run into with Odyssey is trying to get every single moon. Odyssey wasn't really designed with that mentality like previous 3D Mario games. Odyssey was a sandbox 3d Mario game that had to be adapted to the handheld nature of the Switch. Players can quickly boot up the game find a moon or two and call it quits before their bus ride ends. This was not how previous 3D sandbox Mario games worked. Getting everything in those games was necessary to see all the content. In Odyssey you basically need to get 250 moons to see all the major content and 500 to see the final hard level. So 500 is the requirement and is a sort of "100% lite"
It was stated by the games director that the games has so many moons because of that reason and i doubt Nintendo really expected many people to go for them all, that's why the final level is unlocked much earlier. So getting everything past the 500 mark is like going after all the korok seeds in BOTW. Sure you could do it but don't expect any reward.
It was stated by the games director that the games has so many moons because of that reason and i doubt Nintendo really expected many people to go for them all, that's why the final level is unlocked much earlier. So getting everything past the 500 mark is like going after all the korok seeds in BOTW. Sure you could do it but don't expect any reward.
Mario Odyssey is not fun to collect 999
I did it... but it felt like a chore
However I wouldnt say that Nintendo games in general are not fun to 100%
Mario 3D land I thought was a Joy to complete
Ireally think it's this whole game design thing where they just shove a bunch of crap in there so if you aren't good at games you can still progress... I thibk it kills the joy of it
**hint: I bought like 150 moons just so the number would say 999... and left all the other things for a day when I felt like going back to the game**
I did it... but it felt like a chore
However I wouldnt say that Nintendo games in general are not fun to 100%
Mario 3D land I thought was a Joy to complete
Ireally think it's this whole game design thing where they just shove a bunch of crap in there so if you aren't good at games you can still progress... I thibk it kills the joy of it
**hint: I bought like 150 moons just so the number would say 999... and left all the other things for a day when I felt like going back to the game**
I'm the type of person where my friends mock me for being a completionist, and I don't consider most platformers done till you 100% (well, at least for a good long while now. Generally feels like that process is where a lot of the challenge and enjoyment comes from, personally, even if you run into some bad bits now and again), and have done so with all the main Mario platformers at least.
And I did complete my moons, but frankly... there's a reason the true final level unlocks so much earlier than that. Like, I loved the game, and enjoyed probably like 90% of the moons... but there was still plenty of filler, and a few that were straight up like pulling teeth (that damn jump rope!) So yeah, it joins Sunshine as the one other 3D Mario I wouldn't aim for 100% when replaying.
I'll also sometimes 100% Zeldas, and frankly even doing all the shrines isn't worth it in BotW. Way too many tests of strength, if nothing else. (Didn't bother 100%ing seeds).
It's just the way they approached content in those games. Getting a lot of it can be fun, but I personally wouldn't recommend aiming for all.
For what it's worth, I felt the exact same about Spider-man. Way too many "beat up the same damn generic enemies" content, and getting 100% there absolutely hurt my enjoyment.
And I did complete my moons, but frankly... there's a reason the true final level unlocks so much earlier than that. Like, I loved the game, and enjoyed probably like 90% of the moons... but there was still plenty of filler, and a few that were straight up like pulling teeth (that damn jump rope!) So yeah, it joins Sunshine as the one other 3D Mario I wouldn't aim for 100% when replaying.
I'll also sometimes 100% Zeldas, and frankly even doing all the shrines isn't worth it in BotW. Way too many tests of strength, if nothing else. (Didn't bother 100%ing seeds).
It's just the way they approached content in those games. Getting a lot of it can be fun, but I personally wouldn't recommend aiming for all.
For what it's worth, I felt the exact same about Spider-man. Way too many "beat up the same damn generic enemies" content, and getting 100% there absolutely hurt my enjoyment.
Not sure on Odyessy, but I collected all the stars (I think it was stars) to get Super Mario 3D World's extra levels and wow was it worth it. Those last levels were the best in the game and the final one was so challenging it took me almost 2 weeks to finish it. Totally 100% worth that last section of super awesome content and the practice you get along the way is cool. Is Odyessy's extra content that bad?
It's not so much that it's bad, but that the game is extremely padded to the point where getting 100% completion comes off as a bigger chore than it was in previous games.
You also don't need 100% completion to unlock Odyssey's final challenge. You don't even need 60%. Like I said before, this implies that even Nintendo doesn't feel like you "should" be going for 100%.
I think going for 100% in a lot of Nintendo games is often quite fun, but Super Mario Odyssey had a particularly and surprisingly poor postgame (other than the Mushroom Kingdom) which really made me regret going for 999 Moons. Brilliant campaign and everything leading up to the ending and Mushroom Kingdom postgame is just fantastic, but it really goes downhill fast after that -- unlike, say, the excellent postgame content in Galaxy, Galaxy 2, and 64.
Yea that's why part of me doesn't really care to get a lot of Nintendo games to 100%. If they had an achievement equivalent it would drive me to actually care about that sort of stuff. I think its an OCD thing with me but when I 100% a game and get the trophy/achievement for it then it sort of lets me retire it and know that I did everything possible in the game.
Which is something I appreciate as a concept. I love an overflow of objectives not meant to all be completed. So these obscene amounts of collectibles sound good idea on paper, but after a point they stop mattering whatsoever to the gameplay, so maybe a better approach is more dynamic content? Randomized events and such. That's something that for sure would have been at home in BotW, considering the criticism of variety in the game. Could be every blood moon brings a few strong enemies randomly appearing in areas with special loot. That's the direction I really hope they go in the sequel.
Odyssey was a good game but a disappointment for me personally.
If they had given special rewards for completing even 120 of the missions then the rest were all meaningless moons it would have been far better. As is it all feels a bit pointless, especially as you can just buy them with coins later on lol.
The game really was designed around small bursts of play. There's also not enough pure platforming challenges in it either.
If they had given special rewards for completing even 120 of the missions then the rest were all meaningless moons it would have been far better. As is it all feels a bit pointless, especially as you can just buy them with coins later on lol.
The game really was designed around small bursts of play. There's also not enough pure platforming challenges in it either.
I don't get it. Is playing a game not fun for you unless you collect all collectibles? I mean, if that's the case, then probably not...
Most people don't even finish games let alone getting absolutely everything. Mario Odyssey having "filler moons" is a non-issue outside of enthusiast circles.
2 Years ago I would have agreed, but then I discovered this beautiful game.
I see a lot of people complain about the blue coins in Super Mario Sunshine, and it's a very strange complaint to me. They're obviously placed in a way that rewards you for exploring, going out of your way, or doing odd things. One example is
If you could easily come across all of them just by playing normally, it would kind of defeat the purpose of them. And replacing the super-well-hidden blue coins with something that didn't help you progress in any way would make all of those hidden little secrets pointless. It's not necessarily intended that you should get them all unless you really want to, and I don't understand why you would complain about something that you're making yourself do. And I say this as a person who does enjoy getting 100% in collectathon games-- I just don't think it makes sense to complain about it being difficult or tedious when they're designed that way.
I feel like Odyssey is kind of the same way. The game is trying to reward you for going further than you have to, and allow you to make progress in the game in various ways, rather than specifically tasking you with doing every one of those things.
Eating blue butterflies as Yoshi. It's not something you would normally think to do, but it's a great surprise when you do it and a blue coin pops out.
If you could easily come across all of them just by playing normally, it would kind of defeat the purpose of them. And replacing the super-well-hidden blue coins with something that didn't help you progress in any way would make all of those hidden little secrets pointless. It's not necessarily intended that you should get them all unless you really want to, and I don't understand why you would complain about something that you're making yourself do. And I say this as a person who does enjoy getting 100% in collectathon games-- I just don't think it makes sense to complain about it being difficult or tedious when they're designed that way.
I feel like Odyssey is kind of the same way. The game is trying to reward you for going further than you have to, and allow you to make progress in the game in various ways, rather than specifically tasking you with doing every one of those things.