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German Federal Elections 2021 - 20th Bundestag
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What do people think Neuwahlen would accomplish?
Depends who screams "IT'S THEIR FAULT" loudest.
I was curious because I always hear that supposedly the FDP are the best at picking up the issue of digitalization, what their plan is.
This is what is written on their page:
It's understandable why FDP is so popular among young voters. They have liberal policies like legalizing cannabis, voting at 16. Supposedly a good social media presence. And I imagine there will always be a subset of people who buy into treating a state like a company, Markwirtschaft als das höchste Gut, especially among young people who have it easier than ever to participate in the crypto craze, similar snake oil, and some genuinely smart share trading.
Doesnt change that a lot of the FDP beyond that is just marketing, f.e. the digitalization part, and well, classic neo-liberalism. Electric cars this and smart new technologies that, but we WILL let companies mine coal for decades and generally do whatever the fuck they want because who cares?
This is what is written on their page:
I imagine emphasis being on "Wettbewerb" and less on "Controlling". Markt regelt und so.
It's understandable why FDP is so popular among young voters. They have liberal policies like legalizing cannabis, voting at 16. Supposedly a good social media presence. And I imagine there will always be a subset of people who buy into treating a state like a company, Markwirtschaft als das höchste Gut, especially among young people who have it easier than ever to participate in the crypto craze, similar snake oil, and some genuinely smart share trading.
Doesnt change that a lot of the FDP beyond that is just marketing, f.e. the digitalization part, and well, classic neo-liberalism. Electric cars this and smart new technologies that, but we WILL let companies mine coal for decades and generally do whatever the fuck they want because who cares?
I mean they know about these votes too and know what would happen if they go for Jamaika.
Lol, why do some people want Neuwahlen?
It would be a huge Armutszeugnis for all democratic parties and probably wouldn't change anything regarding the coalition options. At the worst CDU/CSU will go with Söder next and all chances for SPD to govern are bust.
It would be a huge Armutszeugnis for all democratic parties and probably wouldn't change anything regarding the coalition options. At the worst CDU/CSU will go with Söder next and all chances for SPD to govern are bust.
According to Zeit, Lindner wants preliminary talks with the Grünen, and Scholz wants to establish the Ampel quickly. Habeck said they will explore all possibilities, but finding common ground with the FDP will not be easy. Let's hope for the best.
Well said.
Center is a completely artificial term that is constantly used to replace bad shit by something good.
The Union isn't the conservative right wing party anymore, it's center, the FDP isn't the neoliberal rich party anymore it's center.
Who cares that those two, often in the well known superstar tag team formation, have fucked minorities for decades as long as they are "center"?
I had multiple conversations with FDP voters about this, the moment you call them out 99% are empty handed and respond with the same 08/15 party phrases you could read here. "FDP wants digitalization and is against bureaucracy" - wow what completely unique and original demands, all the other parties who don't want that like .....uh ...... the party for bureaucracy and analogue?
It's so effective you have to wonder why there isn't a party calling themselves center party ... oh.
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I voted for Grüne.
If they gonna form Jamaika I will be super pissed and they can go and fuck themselves. Maybe I should have listened to the Wahlomat and voted for Volt instead.
If they gonna form Jamaika I will be super pissed and they can go and fuck themselves. Maybe I should have listened to the Wahlomat and voted for Volt instead.
Ich würde den Post ja genau so unterschreiben, aber der Ausgangspunkt der Diskussion war, dass es einige in Deutschland gibt, die gerne amerikanische Verhältnisse hätten, eben weil es dann die Dinge "einfach" macht. Ein ganzheitliches wir-gegen-die, samt Parteiblöcken, eigenen Medien und Machtkämpfen bis auf die Wahlbezirksgrenzen und Richterbänke, aber so läuft das hier eben nicht und das hat Vor- und Nachteile, wobei ich unser System bevorzuge.
Natürlich sieht man als Linker in Parteien wie CDU/CSU oder FDP den Wolf im Schafspelz, das tue ich auch, aber dass für beide keine Koalition nach rechts in Frage kommt ist eine Folge dieser real existierenden "Mitte" (der Begriff ist absolut subjektiv, s. CDU, ich werde das nicht verteidigen), und nicht selbstverständlich. Zum Schaudern muss man dafür auch gar nicht über den Atlantik schauen, sondern es reichen die europäischen Grenzen.
Aus ähnlichen Gründen konnte sich übrigens keine Partei, außer der AfD, die eh keinen Regierungsanspruch hat, dieser Querdenker-Bewegung annehmen und sie mussten ihre eigene gründen und sind damit jetzt mehr oder weniger untergegangen.
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Pretty sure this tweet would look different if CDU would have had 3-4% more yesterday...
Unterwegs mit Ellen Demuth: Die Frau, die Norbert Röttgen zu seiner Chefstrategin machen will
Bislang hat die Bundespolitik von ihr kaum Notiz genommen. Doch Ellen Demuth könnte Röttgen im Kampf um den CDU-Vorsitz einen Vorteil verschaffen.
www.tagesspiegel.de
Well yeah, Röttgen is probaby rubbing his hands right now.
Not really that important in the grander scheme of things, but yesterday's result pretty much guarantees that Steinmeier gets his second term as Bundespräsident, right?
There were some ideas floating around that CDU (and FDP as well, maybe) could lure the Greens into Jamaica by supporting a "Green" president. I just don't know why the Greens would agree to that or even why that should be important to them.
I'm okay with that, although I'd have preferred a possibility for RRG
Sure but for tht you would have needed a participating Linke. They are awful and need to rethink their future.
i see that theoretically cdu/csu + fdp + afd could make up a majority? I realize that fdp and cdu/csu said they won't work with afd, but after recent developments in sweden, i wouldn't trust christian democrats and liberals to honour such promises one bit, sadly. please tell me my fears are completely unfounded lol
Would have preferred RRG but with so many people being okay with FDP and with a really surprising amount of youth favoring them, I guess I could live with Ampel.
I feel like one of the biggest dangers to German Democracy is gonna be more lobbyism and FDP is for me the posterchild for more that. CDU aside of course FDP for me is the party that wants to pull out the stopgaps for lobbyism the most.
I feel like one of the biggest dangers to German Democracy is gonna be more lobbyism and FDP is for me the posterchild for more that. CDU aside of course FDP for me is the party that wants to pull out the stopgaps for lobbyism the most.
Not gonna happen (at this point in time), would be suicide.
FDP is basically the lobby.
I don't know the situation in Sweden, but Germany has a special relationship with far right parties. Union and FDP working together with actual Nazis is completely out of the question. Meuthen, a more moderate Nazi in the AFD is getting kicked out in the next weeks, which opens up a space for Höcke, which will push the AFD even more to the fringe. It won't happen and if it happens mass protest would break out, millions of Germans would demonstrate until either Union or FDP gives up.
Lol, that sounds like something straight out of the political playbook of "desperately flinging shit at the wall in the hopes that at least something will stick".
This ain't happening. While Laschet is the prototype of a politicians who says whatever the current audience wants to hear, not even he has bad enough of a character to go that far. Same goes for Söder from CSU.
German democracy is under attack, just like democracies are under attack everywhere. But so far it is pretty stable.
We are expecting an even more right pull in the AfD coming the next weeks. We'll see if that helps them getting voters or starts deteriorating their situation.
In all honesty: People are mad at Greens because Jamaika (CDU, Greens, FDP) is even a possibility. A CDU, FDP, AfD coalition would mean riots in the streets. I'm not exaggerating.
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According to FAZ and WELT Baerbock and Habeck have agreed that Habeck will be the vice chancellor if the Greens are part of next government. Baerbock had her chance as candidate for chancellor.
well, leading up to our last election, the leader of the "moderate" right wing party here made a huge pr event of promising a holocaust survivor he would never cooperate with the sweden democrats (which was born from neonazi movements) yet in the weeks after the election still wanted to take power with their passive support, and when that didn't happen, because the liberal parties were not on board at that time, started collaborating actively with the sweden democrats to form a unified right-wing opposition bloc, together with the christian democrats. things can change very quickly. 7 years ago, the moderate party prime minister made a speech about opening up our hearts for refugees, now almost everyone is talking about closing our borders, and one liberal party (out of two), and both cdu-style conservative parties are a-ok with nazi collaboration
AfD passively supported a CDU + FDP coalition in Thuringia by voting for a prime minister from the FDP and that held for approximately two days. The pressure was just too big and he had to step down. And that wasn't anything like an official coalition or anything.
Would it, at least in theory, be possible for the CDU/CSU to just drop Laschet and try to form a Jamaica coalition with a different, more amenable candidate for Chancellor (Roettgen or Söder come to mind here of course)? Would this be impossible / illegal or would it be 'merely' preposterous and brazen? Because if it's 'only' the latter, I certainly wouldn't put it past the Union to at least float it as one possible idea to stay in power.
I have to be okay with it because the alternative, Jamaica, is way worse.
fully legal. i think it's very much possible and what they're going to do while ampel is negotiated. lindner could then break up ampel negotiations should the union have an agreeable candiate.
Yup.
Fully agreed! Only chance to still avoid a worst case scenario.
Would be Söder or Merz then. None of which the greens would agree to unless they are suicidal.
i think röttgen would go very well with the greens. the big question is if the union can unite behind one candiate.
Yeah, I am aware of all this. Still we need the UBI for a stable future. And it already doesnt make sense to NOT have ubi as it is.
VWFS demanded my risk-pregnancy sister to visit office. Even with doctors note she only got 2/3 days home office BECAUSE THEY DIDNT HAVE ENOUGH REMOTE ACCESS.
I agree so much with Patsy (obviously).
Classic centrist example in this very thread.
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While even a broomstick might compare favorably to Laschet, I still don't get what people see in Scholz. Attitude aside (if imitating Merkel counts as such), I can't understand for the life of me how he has been able to weasel himself out of every failure and/or scandal he was involved in. The Warburg bank affair alone would've sunk other people's career ("Erinnerungslücken" my ass... Right out of the Kohl-Schäuble-playbook), but he also had a nebulous role in the Wirecard scandal and let's not forget the catastrophic handling of G20 when he was still Erster Bürgermeister of Hamburg. And yet nothing seems to stick and quite a lot of people still describe him as 'competent' and 'trustworthy'. Very saddening state of affair that politicians like him or Laschet are the 'best' we seemingly can get. I hope he at least involves actually competent people like Hubertus Heil if the Ampel is coming.
Also heartily LOL at the infighting now flaring up within the Union with losers like effing Norbert 'Atlantikbrücke' Röttgen - the man who couldn't even make it through the first round in the election for the Parteivorsitz - now coming out of the woodwork. Do these clowns really think that simply giving Laschet the boot will solve any of their problems? Do they really think they can renew the party when figures like Klöckner, Schäuble, Altmaier, Helge f***ing Braun or Norbert 'I can neither beat Kraft nor Laschet but I still think I'm relevant' Röttgen are still in decisive positions within the party? Give me a break! They need to radically clean house and get rid of anyone from the first and second row of the party if they are serious about the renewal. Let's just hope that they don't turn to Söder in their desperation and propose him as a possible chancellor in a possible Jamaica coalition. This egomanical, self-absorbed, flip-flopping prick needs to stay as far away as possible from any political influence outside of Bavaria.
It's still baffling to me how the Union went with Laschet as chancellor candidate. Dude was not even popular enough in his own party lol.
That's what I thought when Söder polled 80/20 versus Laschet lol
yeah but that was when some didn't trust the polls or thought they could easily change, after this election they surely have to wake up.
EXCEPT FOR ONE, none of the previous ones had medical degree. To know that Pflegegesetz is bs you dont need to have Pflege-experience. Actually everyone who has spend a few weeks in hospital knows its shit.
And yeah, i honestly think that often people who are not familiar with a topic are more open minded to new/open approaches. If you have already experience and an opinion, this limits your mind to new ideas and approaches.
You must have been a HUGE fan of our only health minister with medical background. Who was it again?
She's not a random person, and actually health and lgbt are both in focus of her current work too. So idk why you claim it'd be equal to any random person.
I voted SPD my whole life but I guess they are center left.
Healthministry should be LauterbachYes! Some representation finally. Now give her the ministry of Health you cis-cowards
You can vote a left party and still use centrist phrases. 🤷🏻♀️ Also green became more and more the old spd. So...
yes, i said i am probably center left? reason to single me put and shame me for it?
Judging from history, Scholz and Giffey they are the left of the right wing. But maybe that's just me.