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Oct 25, 2017
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BILD is now also using Trumps claim that in-mail-voting is anti democratic.
Fuck Springer

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This has been an AfD talking point for months. They are preparing to pull a Trump afterwards.

And you can tell that Strunz (the guy in the picture who is now responsible for Bild TV) has been watching a lot of Fox News.
 
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Bonejack

Member
Oct 27, 2017
16,654
Jesus christ, how disgusting. I mean, Bild has always been an outlet worth less than toilet paper, but it feels like in the last 2-3 years they try to hyperspeed into a total faschism mouthpiece.

AfBild.
 

Fritz

Member
Oct 26, 2017
2,719
Just reading up on Strunz and he has been cited saying "populism is the viagra of democracy".

WTF
 

Sanka

Banned
Feb 17, 2019
5,778
92% for die Grünen and die Linke at the Wahl-O-Mat. Might have to go with the Linke, though they do have some dubious attitudes towards certain issues.

CDU at 33% quite a bit lower than the NPD for me. That's crazy. How shitty do their policies have to be for that.
 

Dralos

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,072
Deutsche Avengers aka CDU Zukunftsteam (including Merz and his views from 1990 lol)

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Von der CSU ist Dorothee Bär, derzeit Digital-Staatsministerin, dabei. Sie sprach kurz darüber, mit Blick auf die digitale Entwicklung ein »Entfesselungsjahrzehnt« gestalten zu wollen. »Wir wollen dem Staat ein Update verpassen« und »einen digitalen Turbo zünden«, sagte Bär, die seit 2018 im Amt ist.
hmm why didnt she do that in the last 4 years...wasnt that her job?
 

Bonejack

Member
Oct 27, 2017
16,654
hmm why didnt she do that in the last 4 years...wasnt that her job?

Guess she was too busy promoting flying taxis as told by Frank Thelen, who both is an advisor for her and has invested in flying taxis, or being at the german "Computerspielpreis" award show with both, Andy Scheuer and a strange dress that could've been designed by Tetsuya Nomura.

Or in short, it's hard to do something when you absolutely and completely lack any expertise in the field.
 

Sölf

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,946
Germany


Rezo relased a second part where he mainly talks about Climate. He also said one more part is coming.

Still need to do the Wahl-o-Mat myself. WIll probably do that today or tomorrow.
 

Kyougar

Cute Animal Whisperer
Member
Nov 3, 2017
9,360
What is this, 1980?

The CDU is so ancient in their beliefs that they bring back slogans from 30 to 40 years ago.
 

MrMysterio

Member
Oct 25, 2017
701
Yeah, this 80s rhetoric is extremely triggering.
Saw a local newspaper's weekend edition with a front page ad for AfD today. 🤮
Parent newspaper is quite close to CDU but taking AfD ad-money seems weird, no?
 
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It really shows that the CDU doesn't offer anything politically or has any ideas to fight all the problems in our country.
They only rely on populism at this point, since they lost Merkel, who was able to say the right things and knew how to make
herself look good.
 

Kyougar

Cute Animal Whisperer
Member
Nov 3, 2017
9,360
It really shows that the CDU doesn't offer anything politically or has any ideas to fight all the problems in our country.
They only rely on populism at this point, since they lost Merkel, who was able to say the right things and knew how to make
herself look good.

And Merkel killed (their careers) or promoted away the most competent CDU politicians in the last 16 years.
 

MrMysterio

Member
Oct 25, 2017
701
What the fuck? Which paper was it?
Wait wait, I mispoke! It's not one of those fancy weekend editions of a huge paper.

It's those one you get for free and it is basically just ads, but still part of the bigger local paper. It's called "Express" over here...
I'm kind of thinking it's a big deal, but nobody else so far has... so, shrug
 

Palgan

Member
Dec 13, 2017
63
Wait wait, I mispoke! It's not one of those fancy weekend editions of a huge paper.

It's those one you get for free and it is basically just ads, but still part of the bigger local paper. It's called "Express" over here...
I'm kind of thinking it's a big deal, but nobody else so far has... so, shrug

Yeah that's what I thought you meant, so no problem with your original post. :)

I also think it's quite a big deal...on the other hand, the Express already is at the bottom of German press, so probably not too many people care anyway...

Speaking of the AfD, it's baffling to me that they seem to be in a slight upward trend in recent weeks. Still at least hoping for below 10 per cent in the end...
 

BakedTanooki

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,726
Germany
What are some negative aspects of Die Linke? Just curious.
Think I will vote for them as their goals seem to align with my ideas and ideals for the most part. Wahlomat confirmed that.
 

Isee

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
6,235
What are some negative aspects of Die Linke? Just curious.
Think I will vote for them as their goals seem to align with my ideas and ideals for the most part. Wahlomat confirmed that.

For me:
They are against NATO.
They are searching political closeness to Putin.

I remember watching an interview with Hennig-Wellsow (Partei Co-Chefin) and even she didn't know how to address those issues or explain those stances in reasonable ways.
 

Spine Crawler

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
10,228
where do you have the numbers from? i checked the last sonntagsfrage from forsa which has spd at 23%, grüne at 18% and linke at 6%. where are the remaining 4% supposed to come from? also i don't trust the cdu at 21%, people are mad right now but germans in general are scared of change. wenn am wahltag die rentnerheime aufmachen they will all make their cross for cdu. springer presse will also probably go all in for laschet very soon. looking at the number for the greens depresses the hell out of me, they were at 27% just a couple months ago.
germany is fucked due to the boomers. Young people have no masses behind them and therefore no voting power. Anyone under 40 will habe to basically work for pay for the baby boomer generations pensions.
This has been an AfD talking point for months. They are preparing to pull a Trump afterwards.

And you can tell that Strunz (the guy in the picture who is now responsible for Bild TV) has been watching a lot of Fox News.
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BakedTanooki

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Oct 27, 2017
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Germany
Their foreign policies are questionable. I think their local stuff reads great but big parts of it are hardly realistic.

For me:
They are against NATO.
They are searching political closeness to Putin.

I remember watching an interview with Hennig-Wellsow (Partei Co-Chefin) and even she didn't know how to address those issues or explain those stances in reasonable ways.

Thanks a lot!
I just want to make the right choice and choose what is best for most people, especially for vulnerable people etc.
Unfortunately, my interest in politics only started in the recent past few years, with the Trump desaster and when Jim Sterling went full anti capitalist, lol. Now I'm all into it, almost hyper focused, and trying to learn and understand as much as possible.
The only things I knew for certain before, were that afd is absolutely bonkers and the CDU means status quo, which is terrible.

Seems like I have to choose between the lefts, SPD and the greens.
 

eebster

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Nov 2, 2017
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For me:
They are against NATO.
They are searching political closeness to Putin.

I remember watching an interview with Hennig-Wellsow (Partei Co-Chefin) and even she didn't know how to address those issues or explain those stances in reasonable ways.

They are not really proposing those things though. They don't propose getting out of the NATO asap, they are just saying that the NATO is a relict from the cold war and that it would be worth thinking about something new that includes the east instead of excluding it. But it's less of a demand and more like a utopic vision. I also don't interpret this as "political closeness" to Putin. They don't wanna be best friends with Putin, they are just saying that maybe it would be benificial for world peace if we at least tried to work together with Russia. Work together in the sense of talking and negotiating just like any other country in the NATO and not becoming close allies.
A lot of people in the Linke are pragmatic enough to know that those are very unrealistic dreams and won't include those "visions" in their coalition demands. Bartsch already said that anything concerning NATO will not be part of their coalition demands.
So no, RRG will not and never exit the NATO. They may be pressured by Die Linke to maybe overthink their relations to nations like Saudi Arabia, their military spending and their military missions in other countries. And those are good things imo.

I again recommend the interview with Gregor Gysi. At 49:20 he talks about his/their stance on NATO

 
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Isee

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
6,235
They are not really proposing those things though.
A lot of people in the Linke are pragmatic enough to know that those are very unrealistic dreams and won't include those "visions" in their coalition demands.

Then why put it in their "partei program" in the first place? That does not compute.

They don't propose getting out of the NATO asap, they are just saying that the NATO is a relict from the cold war and that it would be worth thinking about something new that includes the east instead of excluding it.

What does "east" mean? Are they proposing a military alliance with Putin and China?

While I understand the need for peaceful co-existence that includes talking to each other, trading and other friendly, economical connections. I also must stop them right after that: Russia and China are countries of opposing political systems, which are contrary to our liberal, democratic systems. They have different views on human rights, freedom and how a state should work. It is as incompatible as it gets.
A military alliance between Europe and China/Russia must not exist.

It's your right to think otherwise, but it's a red line for me.

Is NATO a relic though? Yes, I think that argument can be made. Especially after Europe learning the hard way that the USA are no longer reliable enough and that the political agenda of the NATO leader can dramatically change every four years.

I'd rather see a bigger afford towards a united EU force and while I am at it: Towards a more united europe in the first place.

Keep China and Russia close and friendly, but never forget: They are not democracies.


Thx for the video link, I'll watch it tomorrow though. It is getting late and I'd rather watch all of it (nearly 2h), instead of a small, selected portion.
 

Randam

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Oct 27, 2017
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Germany
They are not really proposing those things though. They don't propose getting out of the NATO asap, they are just saying that the NATO is a relict from the cold war and that it would be worth thinking about something new that includes the east instead of excluding it. But it's less of a demand and more like a utopic vision. I also don't interpret this as "political closeness" to Putin. They don't wanna be best friends with Putin, they are just saying that maybe it would be benificial for world peace if we at least tried to work together with Russia. Work together in the sense of talking and negotiating just like any other country in the NATO and not becoming close allies.
A lot of people in the Linke are pragmatic enough to know that those are very unrealistic dreams and won't include those "visions" in their coalition demands. Bartsch already said that anything concerning NATO will not be part of their coalition demands.
So no, RRG will not and never exit the NATO. They may be pressured by Die Linke to maybe overthink their relations to nations like Saudi Arabia, their military spending and their military missions in other countries. And those are good things imo.

I again recommend the interview with Gregor Gysi. At 49:20 he talks about his/their stance on NATO


Qft.
Then why put it in their "partei program" in the first place? That does not compute.



What does "east" mean? Are they proposing a military alliance with Putin and China?

While I understand the need for peaceful co-existence that includes talking to each other, trading and other friendly, economical connections. I also must stop them right after that: Russia and China are countries of opposing political systems, which are contrary to our liberal, democratic systems. They have different views on human rights, freedom and how a state should work. It is as incompatible as it gets.
A military alliance between Europe and China/Russia must not exist.

It's your right to think otherwise, but it's a red line for me.

Is NATO a relic though? Yes, I think that argument can be made. Especially after Europe learning the hard way that the USA are no longer reliable enough and that the political agenda of the NATO leader can dramatically change every four years.

I'd rather see a bigger afford towards a united EU force and while I am at it: Towards a more united europe in the first place.

Keep China and Russia close and friendly, but never forget: They are not democracies.


Thx for the video link, I'll watch it tomorrow though. It is getting late and I'd rather watch all of it (nearly 2h), instead of a small, selected portion.
Not a military alliance.
A international safty alliance.
 

Isee

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
6,235
Qft.

Not a military alliance.
A international safty alliance.

1.) Same thing, different name.

2.) Safety Alliance with Russia and China?

What is the common ground supposed to be here?
We believe in human rights, free elections, independent jurisdiction, free press, self-determination.
Putin believes in Putin having all the power.

Are we the good guys? No, there is no such thing. But a safety alliance between Russia and Germany? That's one of the most ridiculous ideas I have read in a long time. We do not share enough "values", do not have the same interests on the globale scale.

Now, do I say it is in our interesst to constantly push against Russia? Isolate them until the only economic partner that is left for them is China? No, that's in the interest of the USA, but not in our European one.
But a security alliance with Russia, that would be a farce.

Why not build a joint Cyber Security Agency while we are at it? Maybe because they are part of the reason we need one.
 

Bonejack

Member
Oct 27, 2017
16,654
I have to laugh real hard on all that "SOCIALISM!!!!!" shit from the CDU. It's not really insider knowledge that there's movements within them that would love to use the AfD to get / stay in power. Yet no one's talking about that.

Also, i'm honest, i never understood why people are / would be scared of that? "Oh no, not a government form that is working for the benefit of the people instead of companies and the politicians own pockets!!!!".


Looking at Laschets Eight ... yes. But honestly it isn't difficult to be better than those people and still be shit. ^^

Watching Rezos second video, it's more or less unbelievable that this isn't satire

And yet, the people who desperately should see those videos are probably disregarding him and his content because he has blue hair and all.

Sadly.
 

Team_Feisar

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Jan 16, 2018
5,354
LMAO if this doesn´t tell you everything you need to know about how serious Laschet´s Zukunftsteam takes itself