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Geoff takes a lot of hits with no good reason
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That is very, very overwhelmingly NOT what people criticize Geoff or the TGAs for...
But even still you are perfectly proving the point of the OP by just taking a huge systemic issue and projecting it onto one man.
It's just all the entitled gamers that do this really. A lot of gamers are just obnoxious and selfish. They want all their dreams to come true every time there's an awards show and it's simply unrealistic. Geoff does a fantastic job organizing everything and deserves all the props. I think people take his work for granted.
in other circumstances probably but to me its a compelling defense.
I'm sure Geoff puts in a lot of effort into what he does for The Game Awards.
That doesn't make said show immune from criticism.
That doesn't make said show immune from criticism.
Having met him in real life randomly, he is a super nice dude that is passonate about games. I had a PlayStation shirt on and was waiting around and he walked up and started talking about games for around 10 minutes then we parted ways.
He has created an area that typically revolved around a quick website blog/video and turned it into a medium to push gaming forward. You don't have to enjoy it but he is pushing the medium into new spaces and conversations.
Outside of a gaming website bubble, if you causally checked out GOTY section, Last of Us II is recognizable to people that casually play, but Hades definetly is not and people can question, "What is this?" and "Why is it in the same conversation as a game I know"
My only real critique of Geoff was him trying to grab the reins of the anti-E3 movement and make the summer showcase schedule his own thing.
It was such an unnecessary attempt at a power grab that involved little more than him setting up a dumb webpage with a schedule and links and then tweeting about events. And on top of that the entire concept of "Non-E3" as this amorphous let-publishers-do-their-own-thing was a minor disaster in which most events came-and-went with far less notice than they got during standard E3s. He was just so smug about the whole thing.
That said, I hope someone is able to go to Sony/MS/Ubi/EA/Devolver/Nintendo next year and get them on the same page. In my heart-of-hearts, I'm certain there's a great opportunity to put together an 8-hour schedule of back-to-back shows that take place on a Saturday, and allow all of the blogs and Youtube channels to host their own events and just generally settle in for a really big blowout event that draws everyone's attention. If Geoff wants to be that guy, I would welcome it.
It was such an unnecessary attempt at a power grab that involved little more than him setting up a dumb webpage with a schedule and links and then tweeting about events. And on top of that the entire concept of "Non-E3" as this amorphous let-publishers-do-their-own-thing was a minor disaster in which most events came-and-went with far less notice than they got during standard E3s. He was just so smug about the whole thing.
That said, I hope someone is able to go to Sony/MS/Ubi/EA/Devolver/Nintendo next year and get them on the same page. In my heart-of-hearts, I'm certain there's a great opportunity to put together an 8-hour schedule of back-to-back shows that take place on a Saturday, and allow all of the blogs and Youtube channels to host their own events and just generally settle in for a really big blowout event that draws everyone's attention. If Geoff wants to be that guy, I would welcome it.
Just because I criticize something doesn't mean I have no respect for it. The Game Awards are definitely too long and I am a greedy little piggy who treats every single event as an opportunity to learn more about Elden Ring whether it makes sense to or not, but I have plenty of respect and admiration for Geoff Keighley for pulling this show off. I think Keighley has a palpable passion for video games. No hate from me, despite my criticism of the show.
Too be honest, all award shows kind of suck but unlike say the oscars we do get new game reveals and personally I feel like this show really works in the context of getting together with your friends and having something to talk through for a few hours with hopefully some game announcements or cool trailers.
For the developers that win, I think it is just a feel good moment for them and their team. You could see it from the "Among Us" devs, and those are the moments I feel thankful for from this show. Expecting anything more than that is unrealistic. The Oscars, Golden Globes, Emmys, Grammys, etc have all had varying degrees of people calling it pointless. It's just what you can take out of the show and whether it was worth it for you. I'd never watch this alone, but a watch along for me was interesting enough
For the developers that win, I think it is just a feel good moment for them and their team. You could see it from the "Among Us" devs, and those are the moments I feel thankful for from this show. Expecting anything more than that is unrealistic. The Oscars, Golden Globes, Emmys, Grammys, etc have all had varying degrees of people calling it pointless. It's just what you can take out of the show and whether it was worth it for you. I'd never watch this alone, but a watch along for me was interesting enough
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Maybe thats the reason they re presented in the pre shows?
Award shows are long no matter how you put it, you can tell he doesnt have the funds to do it so he needs all the marketing he does.
You sure can critize the duration of it but if you understand the reason you dont need to mention it i think.
But people would complain anyway even if it was short, something in the ways of:" Thats it?"
Cancel all awards for AAA games then cause GTA, RDR2, etc all go through this.
I swear I don't remember so much salt when RDR2 was winning those awards.
Blaming award shows is not going to solve this issue.
It needs to be addressed. Things need to change, but let's direct all that energy to where it should. Imagine you working on a game for half a decade, a game that excels at almost everything and for nothing in the end. Only to have people shitting on it. That's awful too.
Unions need to happen tbh. Or something that protects developers.
Studios with crunch culture on a game that is documented are ineligible for nominations
Personally I really liked yesterday's show. They showed off some really cool lookin' indies and Back 4 Blood looks like an awesome co-op game. There will be always the people who complain instead of trying to enjoy the ride, couldn't care less about these people. The audience who tuned in for new cool games got exactly that.
I dunno, maybe don't call it The Game *Awards* if you're going to relegate them to less than even a support billing.
People can also understsand the reasons for something and still disagree with the implementation in a reasonable way.
Ol' Geoff has done a lot to elevate the respectability of the gaming industry (those who think the current awards are bad probably never saw the Spike Awards...we've come a long way) and he's signal boosted a lot of talented creators. At the same time, he's very easily and obviously swayed by any attention from devs he likes and is sometimes too willing to play ball with big publishers. He's a positive force overall, but ultimately, a human with virtues and faults just like anyone else.
It's a show with a weird set of priorities. They want to run an awards show rewarding creative achievement and critical success, but dedicate more time and emphasis on reveals of new games that haven't 'put in the work' yet. Imagine winning an award for your game and getting less air time for your congrats than some CG trailer for a game that has nothing made yet.
It just wants to be too many things, despite not being that short of a show at like 3 hours. As the host, Keighley is in a tough spot where the show extending itself this way means he has more opportunities to disappoint someone.
This year's particularly gave me the feeling that as a presenter, he had to shunt everything along without much of a moment to pause. Every trailer ended with "And that was <game name>, okay moving on", like we're at a lunch line.
It gives off a pretty cynical feeling that they had a list of X amount of partnership agreements to get through and a strict time limit. I don't know how people read this as 'passion for games'. I appreciate trying to touch base with various pillars of the gaming community, but the pace is crazy and comes off a bit hollow.
It just wants to be too many things, despite not being that short of a show at like 3 hours. As the host, Keighley is in a tough spot where the show extending itself this way means he has more opportunities to disappoint someone.
This year's particularly gave me the feeling that as a presenter, he had to shunt everything along without much of a moment to pause. Every trailer ended with "And that was <game name>, okay moving on", like we're at a lunch line.
It gives off a pretty cynical feeling that they had a list of X amount of partnership agreements to get through and a strict time limit. I don't know how people read this as 'passion for games'. I appreciate trying to touch base with various pillars of the gaming community, but the pace is crazy and comes off a bit hollow.
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3 hours was unreasonably long and he's a terrible host. His presenting style felt dismissive of what he was showing. For example there were several times where his attitude was like "yeah, yeah that was cool- whatever. NOW FOR SOMETHING ELSE."
But then again, we should all recognize it's one big advertisement, so maybe we should keep our expectations in line with that.
lol. I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt this way.
But then again, we should all recognize it's one big advertisement, so maybe we should keep our expectations in line with that.
lol. I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt this way.
The main core appeal of the show is weak. That is the game reveals. Rest is not as important. The game reveals are weak and too much gotdamn filler is there for a gamer to enjoy the experience. It was a borefest as a gamer who was 'hyped for game reveals'.
People are never satisfied, they always want more. There was enough cool shit in there and the way it was handled was good as well, major props to him and his team for pulling this off.
Every year I sit on my fat ass and get delivered a few dozen trailers for games, of which a few I'm pretty damn hyped to see. There's always a fun thread popping off on Era. We get to hear some good music. It's all just free and it's like, what am I gonna do? Just sit there and bellyache about the whole process?
Geoff is great. He works his ass off every year to try and put on an entertaining show. Not everything always hits but The Game Awards has been quite solid for most of its run.
It's clear that he's passionate about it all too.
It's clear that he's passionate about it all too.
Absolutely, easy to see the amount of work in these events from the man himself. And indeed he manages somehow to have all companies under same roof in celebration. This year still unable to achieve E3 production values for sure but 1 or 2 years and he might exceed it. The fact that he managed to do the event yesterday the way it went + summer fest (in my view much worse) with all the challenges this year had is amazing.
I had a blast watching it last night.
I agree, he works his ass off to put this on. And maybe he makes money off of it, but he's still extremely passionate about celebrating games. It's not flawless, but it's pretty damn good for a small-ish operation and considering the hellish year we've had.
And the shoulder zipper things. Jk, he seems to care and know more about fashion than I do.
People in general, Era in particular, will always complain about something
He does.
Every year he makes sure that:
-We see new games
-We get cool game related musical productions
-We see developers and the people behind the best games in the industry
-Those people are recognized for their contributions to the artform
-Provides a platform for all sorts of causes
All at no cost to the viewers. And constantly changing it up to try and make it better, without being too self-congratulatory like other awards shows.
I'd buy Geoff a beer.
Every year he makes sure that:
-We see new games
-We get cool game related musical productions
-We see developers and the people behind the best games in the industry
-Those people are recognized for their contributions to the artform
-Provides a platform for all sorts of causes
All at no cost to the viewers. And constantly changing it up to try and make it better, without being too self-congratulatory like other awards shows.
I'd buy Geoff a beer.
He did pretty well this year, considering the circumstances.
The problem is that you can only put so much stuff in one single show: awards, ads, hosts, performances, trailers and all that... it's like you wish they could cut some of the filler stuff, so that we could watch the musical performance (and similar stuff) in a more relaxed manner/uncut form. The show has too much rush for its own good. And that hurts the end product.
The problem is that you can only put so much stuff in one single show: awards, ads, hosts, performances, trailers and all that... it's like you wish they could cut some of the filler stuff, so that we could watch the musical performance (and similar stuff) in a more relaxed manner/uncut form. The show has too much rush for its own good. And that hurts the end product.
I have criticisms of the game awards for sure. Some of them land at his feet (it's his baby after all), like the timing/scheduling of the event relative to game releases. I roll my eyes a bit towards his tendency to celebrity worship at times. But overall he seems like a good enough dude & a positive ambassador/influencer in the gamin sphere.
You don't think the employees should get any recognition at all then?
I don't like him as I perceive him to be one of those people who likes the sound of his own voice too much. He has a certain smugness about him that's really off-putting as a host. But you gotta give him credit for getting the TGA's a large audience, I just kinda hope he'll step out of the spotlight now it's got too big for him.
I'm sure he's a swell enough guy in person. But he's not the charismatic comedian you expect to host an awards show to alleviate the tedium.
Edit: Bollocks to not getting the game you want though. That's on you for setting those expectations for yourself, like a div.
I'm sure he's a swell enough guy in person. But he's not the charismatic comedian you expect to host an awards show to alleviate the tedium.
Edit: Bollocks to not getting the game you want though. That's on you for setting those expectations for yourself, like a div.
There area bunch of big figures in this industry that are doing amazing things and pushing the medium forward in a positive and effective manner that receive a bunch of unnecessary hate and Geoff is one of those guys.
I truly don't know why people have issues with him and I think it's more a testament about those people than Geoff himself.
The VGAs weren't perfect this year and probably never will be but every year that show finds a way to get bigger and better.
I truly don't know why people have issues with him and I think it's more a testament about those people than Geoff himself.
The VGAs weren't perfect this year and probably never will be but every year that show finds a way to get bigger and better.
We are a critical game forum so I think it's natural we are extra critical of the hobby we love.
I mean, I complain about the show too, but I watch it every year and have a great deal of respect for Geoff. I thought last night's show was the best yet.
Secretly, I'll be salty about everything until a new F-Zero is announced.
I mean, I complain about the show too, but I watch it every year and have a great deal of respect for Geoff. I thought last night's show was the best yet.
Secretly, I'll be salty about everything until a new F-Zero is announced.
I agree with this. I understand that the show needs to make money, but don't make the actual awards seem like such an afterthought. Show clips of the games after you say their names and give a little bit of suspense for the award itself. Also saying "Wow, X game, great, now our next award is..." kinda comes off as callous. Would prefer him to not even acknowledge the trailer and simply say "Our next award is for..."
People don't watch awards shows for the awards. If they put more of a focus on awards at TGA I'd 100% stop watching.
It's very easy for everyone to get heard these days. Probably mostly a good thing, but it also makes it sound like it's an unhappy majority, when it's likely just a minor faction. Keighley and the team can be proud of what they do, they make the world of video games better.
The problem is he always makes everything about HIM. He always talks about this show in first person.
Imagine if movie awards were given in a show where its owner all the time makes it clear that is HIS show ... that HE made all the effort to make it possible and that basically HE is the reason why movies are celebrated. Then the day after he starts tweeting that HE is tired ... etc etc ...
That's why I don't care about Game Awards at all.
Imagine if movie awards were given in a show where its owner all the time makes it clear that is HIS show ... that HE made all the effort to make it possible and that basically HE is the reason why movies are celebrated. Then the day after he starts tweeting that HE is tired ... etc etc ...
That's why I don't care about Game Awards at all.
I just finished watching the Awards last night, and I must say, Geoff did a fantastic job of putting everything together. Very classy, he scored some excellent gets with all the trailer exclusives, Eddie Vedder, the orchestral segment was really nice, and he scored some choice hosts and guests.