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Genshin Impact has grossed $100 million in less than 2 weeks, totally covered the development/marketing cost
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Enjoyed the ~2 hours I've played but need to get back to it eventually. Really what excites me most about the game is the potential of just more high quality F2P games that I could get into.
All gacha are inherently exploitative with random mechanics to entice people with low self-restraint (whales) to spend way more than they should for the chance to attain a waifu or husbando that catches their fancy. The extent to which the game is in-your-face about it doesn't change that. It doesn't stop me from enjoying a gacha personally, as usual I try not to spend a dime due to fear of the slippery slope.
Spending money on non permanent things is not new.
ever gone to an amusement park , a sports game, a concert, went on a vacation?
these are all things you pay money for entertainment that will last way less time then the years people will get out Genshin impact
Kinda predatory, but it's a good game from what I saw.
Is there a battle-pass for this game ala Fortnite? That could be a way to fix horrible Gacha rates.
Is there a battle-pass for this game ala Fortnite? That could be a way to fix horrible Gacha rates.
I doubt the game will stop development in the next few months. Quality is another story of course.
My point stands that the poster I was responding to did not understand why people spend money on a temporary thing. Live service games are way less temporary than the many things most people spend money on.
There's a battle pass system in this game but it has nothing to do with the gacha. Just for higher reward for farming.
I'm enjoying the game but imagine Square doing a big FF like this. It would make a tonne. Perhaps even more than this.
I hope gacha for big games doesn't become a norm.
I hope gacha for big games doesn't become a norm.
It has a battle-pass system AND gacha, but neither affects the other.
I don't understand why Genshin Impact is the main point of concern when the most predatory and genuinely crushing gambling system is the western-made FIFA series that is allowed to run unabashed and is directly aimed at children and teenagers every single year. You folks are acting like you're fighting against the new kraken. It's just some Zelda lite RPG with anime characters, FUT is the game that everyone uses as inspiration to wring out money from kids.
Good for Mihoyo but the game has serious Issues right now.
A lot of people in both the east and west are unhappy with the state of the game and rightfully so.The stamina system severely Limits how much you can grind for materials each day and once it's deplete all you can really do is mess around in the world and kill the same monsters over and over again.
Then there's the godawful gacha rates in which you have minuscule 0.6% chance to draw a 5 star character, 5% to draw a 4 star character and a whopping 94% to draw 3 star wordless weapons. Not only that but doing a 10 roll doesn't even guaranteed a character!
If Mihoyo doesn't change things then I think the game is gonna lose players fast. Including the whales because even if they have a bunch of 5 stars, there's barely anything they can do with them.
A lot of people in both the east and west are unhappy with the state of the game and rightfully so.The stamina system severely Limits how much you can grind for materials each day and once it's deplete all you can really do is mess around in the world and kill the same monsters over and over again.
Then there's the godawful gacha rates in which you have minuscule 0.6% chance to draw a 5 star character, 5% to draw a 4 star character and a whopping 94% to draw 3 star wordless weapons. Not only that but doing a 10 roll doesn't even guaranteed a character!
If Mihoyo doesn't change things then I think the game is gonna lose players fast. Including the whales because even if they have a bunch of 5 stars, there's barely anything they can do with them.
Stamina is the main thing, the gacha system is your whatever shit rates.
They've been doing quite well past few years but with next-gen on the horizon their progress will really speed up and from a gacha point of view, Azur Lane really opened up the floodgates. Honkai has been quite fun as well.
Whilst I do like the game (playing it over the past few weeks), I've grown a bit tired on the quests and hopefully Genshin doesn't go down that path too much (but I suspect they may.)
Most people on this site don't care, or hell most game journalist doesn't care about Fifa or their ilk simply because of the people who buy those game. That audience will never, ever give a fuck about what people told them. That is not to say people don't bash those Fifa, Madden game, we have threads now and then and Jim sometimes put out videos about that too.
But it is what it is, predatory bullshit but the prey don't care, what can you do.
This game target audience is much more ERA range, so that's why people pay more attention.
I think Mihoyo has enough experience to know how to adjust things to keep players, though I only see an issue with the Resin. The gacha will stay that way and will keep print them money.
You know they could still be successful if they offered each character at a fixed price instead relying on probability. Don't defend predatory practices.
‘Lawsuit filed in France against EA arguing that FIFA Ultimate Team should be classified as a form of gambling’ [getfootballnewsfrance.com]
Source: https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2020/lawsuit-filed-in-france-against-ea-arguing-that-fifa-ultimate-team-should-be-classified-as-a-form-of-gambling/ Original source (French)...
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So apparently EA are refusing to stop selling lootboxes in Belgium, criminal investigation underway
https://nl.metrotime.be/2018/09/10/news/brussels-parket-voert-onderzoek-naar-ea-voor-loot-boxes-in-spel-fifa-18/ Google translation below: It was at the end of the last Jim Sterling video
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EA faces a class action lawsuit over Ultimate Team ‘loot boxes’. Lawsuit claims FIFA series is in violation of California law News
https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/ea-faces-a-class-action-lawsuit-over-ultimate-team-loot-boxes/ This class action lawsuit is related to the Apple class action lawsuit that's ongoing...
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just some threads, obviously there's more.
Where exactly am I defending predatory practices? And you know just as well as I do they wouldn't be nearly as sucessful with fixed rates.
Listened to talk on this on the Crate & Crowbar podcast and downloading now. Whoever played in on that cast said they felt zero need to buy anything and they didn't even know how to spend money if they wanted to. Doesn't seem like its very in your face wanting you to spend.
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Insane success story, and pretty solid game. Could use some tweaks here and there, but overall very impressive. The devs will rectify the content issue no doubt and keep this cash cow for as long as people will pay (which clearly they are in droves).
Insane success story, and pretty solid game. Could use some tweaks here and there, but overall very impressive. The devs will rectify the content issue no doubt and keep this cash cow for as long as people will pay (which clearly they are in droves).
If they offered fixed price for a character, that means richer players would gain huge advantage. Literally pay to win. Sounds much worse to me. F2P and lesser dolphin would just steer clear coz they got no chance.
Dude, the rich playes can just roll until they get what they want. It's no different
Fixed price would allow players like me to pick and choose. Instead of the gamble it'd be so much better. Treat it like a fighting game roster.
I've enjoyed what I've played of the game so far. In spite of the wonky controller support on PC (A/B being reversed for confirm/back prompts keeps messing me up), it's been a fun world to explore with some of the prettiest graphics I've seen in a long time.
I personally haven't felt that compelled to spend real money on it. There's one 5 star character that I kind of want (because I think they have a cool outfit lol), but after seeing how comically low the drop rate is for getting a specific 5 star character, I kind of lost interest. I'll probably save up my free Primogens (currency used to pull character) for when/if that character shows up in a limited banner (which boosts their drop rate a bit).
Otherwise in the early stages of the game Im in so far, the free characters I've gotten have been enjoyable enough for me. I'm not sure how necessary it becomes to spend real money to progress through the main story, but I'm enjoying this as a free game so far.
I personally haven't felt that compelled to spend real money on it. There's one 5 star character that I kind of want (because I think they have a cool outfit lol), but after seeing how comically low the drop rate is for getting a specific 5 star character, I kind of lost interest. I'll probably save up my free Primogens (currency used to pull character) for when/if that character shows up in a limited banner (which boosts their drop rate a bit).
Otherwise in the early stages of the game Im in so far, the free characters I've gotten have been enjoyable enough for me. I'm not sure how necessary it becomes to spend real money to progress through the main story, but I'm enjoying this as a free game so far.
Either the game is P2W or it's not, regardless of fixed prices or $400 gacha characters.
But fixed price shop means F2P player cannot just EX luck their way with probability-based gacha. My point is the game would have lower playerbase as a result. So it's not guaranteed to be successful with that kind of monitezation. Community is important in this kind of game with husbando/waifu. Without big playerbase, the community won't thrive.
I mean, ideally it's $60 and get all content for this kind of genre and everybody would be happy but that's not the case.
I have Venti and Mona. They're good and useful, but not overpowered in the sense that they're required for content, which is how greedy Gacha works.
tbh Xiangling + Crescent Pike have been more of a star for bosses/Abyss, both of which are permanently free.
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Nothing personal man but this sounds argument sounds like it came directly out of Mihoyo's PR department. What's you're describing and advocating is literally the hook behind predatory gacha mechanics.
This is not a competitive game. And richer player still have huge advantages regardless, we call them whales here. Still people will know what they are paying for instead of loosing money based on their luck.
I mean gacha are free. I play FGO for free on my PC and I only spend money for GSSR, so like twice a year, and not even much (about 15€ now).
what? with fixed prices (for example 20 bucks per character) people would know what they need to pay. It would be way better. whales will pay a lot of money anyway.
also, how can a PvE and mostly SP game be P2W?
Every community is unhappy on reddit.Congrats.
Too bad they massively rushed the release and we have neither events nor new content till Christmas.
Most day one players reach the point of finishing absolute everything the game has to offer, up to the very last secret and gameplay feature, this weekend and will leave the sinking ship like people the Titanic.
I hope this won't be too bad for the future.
Like the community is seriously unhappy with a lot of things.
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None taken. For me, it's $60 one and done for full package game or F2P gacha game with good rate and generous in-game currency (like AL, it exist). I just don't like fixed priced shop, basically just MTXfest.
Obviously Genshin is not ideal for me, coz shit rate.
Now make it so that I don't have to go into settings to change it to controller every time I launch it on PC.
I know what you're saying. I just responding to the suggestion that changing the monitezation to MTX will still make the game successful regardless, which I kinda disagree.
looks at specific posts in this thread re: why gacha is totally different from other predatory practices people have been criticized
man just say you get that it's a predatory business model but you still like the game in spite of it, everybody has a vice they like using even if they know it's really bad for other people.
man just say you get that it's a predatory business model but you still like the game in spite of it, everybody has a vice they like using even if they know it's really bad for other people.
They may not be as successful as they have been. but the other model is tested with great success and consumer feedback in games like Smash. It offers you the gacha aspect if you buy the pass without knowing the characters or buy them to your liking after they are revealed.
I don't get how anyone can say the gacha elements are fine (even generous? c'mon) with this game when the majority of players (~58-61% depending on whether pity timer is 80 or 90) are only going to get a 5* through the pity timer and the story missions are piss-easy on purpose.
I could probably be hooked by one of these games if it had an aesthetic / world that I found appealing. The art style and characters put me off playing more, but the combat seemed like it had some depth to it so kind of bummed the rest doesn't do it for me.
"Oh no, I get stuck on this particular boss on end-game content. Guess I'll need to buy that new Pyro user from the shop and if not enough I'll buy new healer as well to improve my team survivability. I have these free characters from the game, but nah. I have $40 to spare anyway."
Something like that, maybe.
It's a surprisingly fun game combat and exploration wise despite all the gacha and stamina system horseshit in. It's more than I can say for every other gacha game I've played. Wonder if we're going to see more big "console" like games going for the F2P gacha model instead of being a $60-70 game with a battle pass.
