This or God of War Ascension to God of War 2018. Way bigger IMO.
GTA 5, RDR 2 also.
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Gears 5 is the biggest jump in quality for a sequel since Uncharted 2
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GTA 5, RDR 2 also.
Nah. Gears 5 was really disappointing. Gears 4 isn't best in the series, but it was more focused and I preferred it overall. Gears 5 went halfway with all the new things it tried, and was worse off for it.
I really enjoyed Gears 5. I don't know about the comparison with other games in the OP but I felt like I could feel the difference between Gears 4, with a team working to understand Gears and make a good by the numbers entry, and 5 dipping their toes into some new stuff. More so with Hivebusters.
If for 6 they doubled down on the open world stuff and really fleshed it out and looked at what worked with the Hivebusters characters and story I'd be over the moon.
In 2013 if you'd told me The Coalition (or what would become them) and Playground Games would be two of my favourite developers within 6-7 years I'd have laughed in your face.
If for 6 they doubled down on the open world stuff and really fleshed it out and looked at what worked with the Hivebusters characters and story I'd be over the moon.
In 2013 if you'd told me The Coalition (or what would become them) and Playground Games would be two of my favourite developers within 6-7 years I'd have laughed in your face.
I think a jump in quality for game 1 to game 2 is alwyas going to have a bigger impact than a jump in quality for game 4 to game 5.
Also using everyone's favourite metascoring website Uncharted went from 88/100 for the first game to 96/100 for the second. Gears went from 84/100 to 84/100 from the 4th to 5th iteration. Obviously that isn't gospel but critical consensus is there wasn't a jump in quality.
Also using everyone's favourite metascoring website Uncharted went from 88/100 for the first game to 96/100 for the second. Gears went from 84/100 to 84/100 from the 4th to 5th iteration. Obviously that isn't gospel but critical consensus is there wasn't a jump in quality.
Disagree. Gears 5 starts pretty strong, with a first act that sets the stage for the rest of the game to have so much potential, and then the game just gets worse and worse as it fails to live up to any of that potential, culminating in an unbelievably abrupt, unearned, and downright stupid ending.
Yeah, I guess I do agree with the people saying the jump in quality wasn't ever HUGE. But for me that is because Gears 4 was already a really good jump from 3. And 3 from 2. And 2 from 1. I don't know that there was ever some massive jump in quality because of the iterative nature of the quality bumps. Like, I replayed them a few years ago and the first ones are definitely rough compared to 5 but as you go through each successive game the quality continued to increase. It's like boiling the frog in the water by turning up the heat gradually, or whatever. You don't really notice it getting better. 1 to 5 is a huge leap but each successive game never had some huge leap because, in my view, the jump in quality always coincided with the third person gameplay/gunplay jumps of its time. Granted, they were always some of the best of their time each iteration, but there was never a dip below at least excellent gameplay/gunplay to make a 'jump' necessary.
That's how I feel about it, anyway.
That's how I feel about it, anyway.
Gears 5 is clearly the better game, but it's not even close to the leap Naughty Dog was able to pull off in less than two years.
My problem with the gears series is how similar each game since the first game feels. Also gears 4 campaign was just atrocious and kept throwing robot enemies at you.
My problem with the gears series is how similar each game since the first game feels. Also gears 4 campaign was just atrocious and kept throwing robot enemies at you.
I was in awe with that game. The puzzles the connections they used were sublime.
I actually enjoyed Judgement, it felt unique (I liked the arcade aspect). Honestly a better timeline would have been that PCF helmed the franchise instead of The Coalition.
Gears 5 played it safe too. It's basically Gears 4 with the usual refinements you'd expect from the next instalment and then the most generic take on "AAA" trends you can get with their barebones open world segments and light RPG upgrades with Jack.
Judging purely based on the campaigns, I'm not sure it's even better than 4, much less a significant leap beyond it. I think they're ultimately pretty comparable. The Coalition Gears games are solid, technically excellent games that I still enjoyed, but that are probably a little too conservative or uninspired in pushing things beyond the earlier entries in the series.
This one is even bigger than Uncharted to Uncharted 2, GoW:A was pure shit.
4 was already excellent, in an industry-leading series. 5 was awesome and polished, but continued along those lines with a few structure and pacing changes that shifted the campaign style.
Uncharted 1 to Uncharted 2 was, without meaning to be too harsh, the jump from an attractive proof-of-concept into something that actually landed wonderfully in terms of its game design. That's a much bigger jump in my mind.
Uncharted 1 to Uncharted 2 was, without meaning to be too harsh, the jump from an attractive proof-of-concept into something that actually landed wonderfully in terms of its game design. That's a much bigger jump in my mind.
I didn't see a jump in quality at all. Gears already had great graphics, so Gears V didn't stand out in that regard.
For me it felt like the same tired game, with the same enemies. Only now I've got a robot I can assign perks to, and tons of filler material in the form of a skiff travel, that just takes you to the next shooting segment.
Shallow as a kiddie pool.
For me it felt like the same tired game, with the same enemies. Only now I've got a robot I can assign perks to, and tons of filler material in the form of a skiff travel, that just takes you to the next shooting segment.
Shallow as a kiddie pool.
100 percent agree. Coalition should be working on something else. It's obvious they are a super talented studio.
I didn't even finish 4 but I finished 5 in two days. Absolutely loved it, not as big of a jump as Uncharted 1 to Uncharted 2, but a big improvement.
Someone need to go back play Uncharted 1 and I dont see much change at all in Gears 5 in fact I just stopped playing after some fight i dont recall setting was all so so nothing stand out
Never understood the massive beef with the "open world". Is it pretty clearly a weirdly incomplete, perfunctory addition to the game? Yes. There's no enemies in it, and you just jet ski to the next mission.
However, it's also extremely easy to just ignore as a result, and provided a nice brief breather in between missions to just chill out and listen to the characters banter, before arriving at the next real mission. It's Hyrule Field, except there's nothing in it, you can cross it in a fraction of the time, and it leads directly into missions instead of new sub-zones. It's a 45-60 second diversion between standard monster mashes, and it's only in two of the game's four acts to begin with.
My biggest "issue" with Gears 5's campaign, is simply the writing and characterization. It's much better than 4, but Del is still just "Friend Man", and JD and Fahz's personaly journey post HoD disaster in Gears 5 bizarrely happens off-screen between Acts 2 and 3, after which JD is suddenly a Nice Guy again, and Fahz goes from slapping the personal belongings out of the hands of evacuating citizens' hands and joking about atrocities to just... being Baird v2.0.
Kait's personal journey obviously gets the most attention, and while I liked the story twists about the Swarm/Locust - where they come from, and her connection to it - I still fundamentally just don't care about her relationship with her mother, and there's no real meaningful on-screen development of her relationship with anyone else.
It's a good game overall, but not something I'd place on the scale of Uncharted 1 to Uncharted 2, quality-wise. And to be clear, this is talking about the SP - Gears 5 MP has been a bit of a mess since launch, despite the repeated attempts to fix it (including revamping the entire ranked system something like three times now)
I think that the biggest issue of Gears 4 in the campaign is that it was incredibly dull and that nothing happens through all the game until the ending, hell I always tell people if they want to start playing straight away from 5 to just watch the ending of 4 after watching a summary of the 360 games
Now the multiplayer in the other hand is more up to debate if it was better than 5, at least this series is infamous for catering way too much to its hardcore crowd so the differences between both games are harder to appreciate if you are not that into the series
Gears 5 had better gunplay, visuals and audio and... nothing else. Every other aspect was better in Gears of War 4.
I'm very much into the series and mostly for the MP I've put more hours into just gears 4 MP than any other game and will get there with gears 5 too. But for campaign while 4 did not do much I thought it was a better single player experience than 5. There's a lot about 5 I didn't like, but it could jus the fatigue and maybe I wasn't quite there with 4 yet when I first played it. I kind of wish they would do a God of War 2018 style reboot for Gears but make a separate classic gears MP only and maybe make it f2p. Also I gotta throw this out there but Gears 2 is still the best Gears campaign.
A little ot but does anyone know what happened with why gears 2 and 3 never made it to pc? I played the first and enjoyed it on pc and completely lost interest in the subsequent sequels when they never made it over.
A shame as it looks fun from afar just didn't dig their inconsistency with their releases at the time 4 looked really interesting
A shame as it looks fun from afar just didn't dig their inconsistency with their releases at the time 4 looked really interesting
I agree, was a massive, massive, drop off in quality from GTA 5 to RDR2.
Reminds me of the dragon age series.
I've never played Gears so I won't comment on that, but if we want to talk about massive jumps in quality between two sequels, I've gotta put God of War Ascension to God of War into the ring. Ascension made me feel that the series had burned out and had nothing new to offer, so much that I went from preordering Ascension to not even playing GoW the year it came out. Needless to say, I'm now pumped for Ragnarok. So, since Uncharted 2? I don't know...
5 was overhyped imo. I thought 4 was fine and 5 was slightly better, maybe.
3 is still my favourite campaign.
3 is still my favourite campaign.
I mean, that can be said of most games judged around here — even ones deemed 'good' by the community.
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