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Gears 5 breaks records as biggest launch for any Xbox Game Studios game this generation, 3 million players through opening weekend
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I mean, as primarily PC guy a have no horse in this race either. It's just interesting to see other open data points and correlate them for wider picture. It's not a war crime or downplaying your favorite 2019 title, bros. chill.
that's what i get from jumping into a moving train
sorry about that
your factual open data doesn't mean much in the greater context here. A game being big on twitch almost always means it's selling great, a game not doing great on twitch doesn't necessarily mean it's doing bad. We also have data that shows that most people, be it on PC or Xbox, got it from Game Pass, so Steam being low doesn't mean it's doing bad.
It's all new for now, and i don't know what this will mean in the long run, these subscription and services in general scare me quite a bit, i just don't think that the data you brought up is really relevant to the game's performance.
I understand what you are saying but all we have are facts that they revealed to us. We can make inferences. If we know that it brought in a record number of users to a XGS title...that means that the marketing (including word of mouth) affected this game for game pass than the others. Obviously it's not the whole story because Gears is a bigger IP as well so you have to take that into consideration. But when you look at their highest performing franchise this generation, Forza Horizon, and it beat that for record number of users for XGS launch into GamePass...that can make my statement more likely. We also know that GamePass was marketed more with the branding all over the world and ads on TV and such in comparison to Forza Horizon 4. Then with that, they have more users using GamePass for their XGS titles. That is something that XGS is meant to do, per Xbox executives. So if your business is doing what they are meant to do...the direction is in the right one. Now you have to see how that can continue with other titles.
I would gladly see other data points mate. It's not like we even know the basics. Like, you know, actual Xbox userbase for starters.
But yeah, good for you. Cheers.
Reminds me of people reluctance to account for music streams when counting "record sales".
New methods require new metrics.
This I agree with. I don't think any singular data point is very meaningful in this "new world".
*sigh*
Sorry if i sounded rude. Some people have really weird hot takes in here so i was quite defensive in my post. Steam being low when the game had ton of Game Pass promotions doesn't really make me think it performed badly if the intention was to get new subscribers for the service.
Do you think Facebook's also 'shocked' that their $18bn purchase of Whatsapp hasn't generated any meaningful revenue yet?
C'mon man.
Microsoft's GamePass play is clearly for the long term. Users are the new currency these days for many tech firms.
Gears 5 most likely had a budget less than $70mln, given the engine is Unreal and dev time was relatively short. Paying that amount for what could turn out to be millions of Gamepass users isn't anywhere close to a bad deal in today's world.
I truly hope you don't really imagine that the 3 million players they cite is closely aligned to the number of Gamepass subs?
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It's okay, there is indeed a lot of meaningless trolling around Xbox, so I can get where your attitude is coming from.
As for me, I really expected PC Gears to do better, because the port is indeed fantastic.
Kind of expected a stronger start, but still it's beaten Forza Horizon 4's launch which has at this point reached 12 million players, so maybe G5 will also reach similar levels of lifetime success. I've been enjoying the campaign a lot in any case and am hoping Gears 6 will get a big budget to be even more bombastic, better and more successful. :)
Doubtful - I had Gears 4 PvP multiplayer at 400k monthly players in March of 2018. Achievement for playing one match of Arcade is at 18.67% which translates to 560k players in the last 10 days. Easiest Horde achievement is at 15.70% - that's 471k players. First campaign achievement is at 55.8%, but you won't have people playing campaign months down the line.
Well done to the team. Not played it yet but it looks fantastic.
Also props for targeting 60fps too. Hopefully MS continues to target it like many Nintendo games and Sony will also follow suit next gen even if it's just an option at a lower resolution like God of War.
Also props for targeting 60fps too. Hopefully MS continues to target it like many Nintendo games and Sony will also follow suit next gen even if it's just an option at a lower resolution like God of War.
They contantly add new and easy to earn achievements to the game which allow you to estimate how many people are playing Versus modes if you know how big total playerbase is.
1. There will be more players playing Gears 5 than 4 because of gamepass. It took gears 4 like 9 months to get 6 million players. 5 got 3 mill players in its first weekend. More hands will touch this game
2. I truly think map creator is something that will give longer life to the game. It's already in beta for Escape and I'm assuming it'll also be moved over to horde and MP
Gears 4 took months to get to that number. Gears 5 had 3 million players in one weekend. Will it get FH4 numbers? I don't know. Is it possible? Absolutely.
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Why would they do that?
Why would they want to give anyone an idea of how well their subscription business is doing?
3M x $15 = $45M
Some of those Gamepass will be trials, or $2 upgrades from XBLG, or just basic Gamepass.
Some of them will also be full priced versions or special versions.
If a big percentage of sign-ups hang around for a few months and more people sign up to play Gears 5, I'd say it's profitable.
Gears 2 and 3 are pretty much remastered on Xbox One just not by name.
Honestly we don't know the context but good for them so far. I signed up for Game Pass for this game and as a consumer that's better for me since I won't be playing MP much. I mean I just paid $2 for 2 months and I'll cancel when I'm done with whatever else they offer and I'll sign back up when the next big release is. Halo Infinite? These sound like good numbers but we don't know exactly how good they are and the % of people who bought it vs those who used the promo on game pass etc. Either way, I think MS has found their niche in the market.
There are hundreds of games on Gamepass from many publishers and developers. MS doesn't get to keep 100% of the fees. They have to turn around and give most of that money to third parties. It is very much an open question as to whether the Gamepass model is sustainable long term.
Absolutely possible. Arcade is an attempt at reaching huge multiplayer audience. But there's a big gulf in quality between FH4 and other racing games, while such gulf doesn't exist in the case of Gears 5 and other shooters.
As some have said, MS pays fees to hundreds of publishers to put their games on Game Pass. Also let's say it is 45m. Is that good? I would bet the budget for the game itself is more than that. I would also say the marketing during Sunday Night Football alone is a fortune (also they were playing the ad during regular football on Thursday/Sunday). So we really don't know what the deal is or if this is a good number. I suspect IT IS, but again we have no clue.
Why is long term sustainability of Game Pass relevant on the first week unique users of a new game, without even knowing the sales?
I guess with constant offers on Game Pass, it means many players with just keep playing Gears 5 because it's a great game and they did not drop £60 just to play. Many will probably jump in and out of the game as content appears, which should keep the user base stable.
True, but it's hard to say how many players will buy MTX and how much they spend.
No Xbox in my house, only PC sadly. Wish they give Gears 2 and 3 the Gears 1 remaster job.
Nice. The campaign is fun and gorgeous so far, but the
boss was so damn annoying and frustrating. I died 15+ times.
matriarch
Knowing what I did from previous Gears games and Berserkers, this boss was not that difficult. Maybe it's way more annoying on harder difficulties or coop.
It kept jumping on me from out of nowhere. Every hit was a one-shot death. I finally beat it last night though.
I am not a Gears veteran, so I probably just suck
True, but even if we assume a paltry average of 2 dollars per person that's a lot of extra mulla.
Well, it's obvious that Microsoft wants to present Gears 5 as a big "success" but the metrics they are using mean something very different because of GamePass than they would for a traditional launch. Their attempt to disrupt the market could have widespread consequences, so it would be good to know if the tactics they are using is even financially sound.
One is 2$ the other is 60$, it's common sense, tho I prefer to own the game on Steam, but will wait for a price drop.
Second appearance of Carmine pack in Gears 4 raked in 150k dollars for charity. They kept doing new packs for 2 years after Gears 4 release.