Can you explain to me how saying gears 5 has 3 million players is spin.
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Gears 5 breaks records as biggest launch for any Xbox Game Studios game this generation, 3 million players through opening weekend
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Can you explain to me how saying gears 5 has 3 million players is spin.
thank you for let us all know this, we haven't figured it out
Wait for the MS financial report then... There's no other way. Expecting the biggest jump for MS this gen in term of revenue.
Ask them to do it if your so concerned about it. They have a twitter account.
What part of Game Pass do you not understand? Sales numbers for first party Xbox games are dead. Game Pass subscriber counts is what matters.
Microsoft prefers a stable income with subscriptions than a maximum income of 2 bestsellers per year, which is what the competition usually has. Today it may not be earning so much, but as soon as it has more than ten million subscribers it will.
So double the week-one userbase (vs Gears 4) at ___ the total week-one revenue.
Where ___ is ... a half? A quarter? A sixth? Less?
That's the gap this model needs to bridge to be independently viable - and recommendable to publishers - for 'big' games in general vs continuing to prioritise unit sales. Of course the intention with a model like this is to bridge that gap with recurring revenue over time, but it seems like it might be a tall order for the moment (?) Attribution would get murkier past the first month, or two also ... and after other big games are released on the service.
Maybe in time a model like this can drive volumes to match the directly attributable revenues of large unit-sale hits, though - obviously models like this are in their infancy. But it's interesting to think where the pipe will ultimately have to scale to, in terms of subscriber reach, to provide a pie as big as the unit sale model.
Where ___ is ... a half? A quarter? A sixth? Less?
That's the gap this model needs to bridge to be independently viable - and recommendable to publishers - for 'big' games in general vs continuing to prioritise unit sales. Of course the intention with a model like this is to bridge that gap with recurring revenue over time, but it seems like it might be a tall order for the moment (?) Attribution would get murkier past the first month, or two also ... and after other big games are released on the service.
Maybe in time a model like this can drive volumes to match the directly attributable revenues of large unit-sale hits, though - obviously models like this are in their infancy. But it's interesting to think where the pipe will ultimately have to scale to, in terms of subscriber reach, to provide a pie as big as the unit sale model.
It's not 3 million in $1 subscriptions. People bought two or more years of XBL (at around, say $120) and converted that to gamepass ultimate. They also got some game sales on steam and windows store. The prices for some cosmetics are at Fortnite levels, so I expect some gamepass owners to easily shell out $25-$50 over time for these. Revenue will likely be just fine.
Always nice to see developers in the industry praise the work of others, thanks for chiming in on this!
Anyone saying these metrics are not directly comparable to other more traditional metrics like "sales numbers" are absolutely right.
However those who then go on to think or imply this isn't a success are missing the big picture, IMO.
A well paced stream of releases like these, with smaller third party games between them, is what gets someone to subscribe to Game Pass or Game Pass Ultimate for the long haul. And a release like this with a 1 or 2 dollars/euros/whatever promotion is what gets them to bite.
I don't think there'll be enough content in the short term to justify a lot of full price subs on PC (probably not until after Halo Infinite at least), but on Xbox One the service is already there.
However those who then go on to think or imply this isn't a success are missing the big picture, IMO.
A well paced stream of releases like these, with smaller third party games between them, is what gets someone to subscribe to Game Pass or Game Pass Ultimate for the long haul. And a release like this with a 1 or 2 dollars/euros/whatever promotion is what gets them to bite.
I don't think there'll be enough content in the short term to justify a lot of full price subs on PC (probably not until after Halo Infinite at least), but on Xbox One the service is already there.
If it was that simple I'd agree with you, but you know it's not.
THIS X 100! A very large hidden revenue thing here that I guarantee they have the data on is how many people (myself included on two different Game Pass accounts in my family) "paid forward" for Xbox Live to get Game Pass Ultimate extended for multiple years. That is revenue "in hand" for Xbox now instead of "possible revenue" in the future which I assume has some tangible business term for it too, but I will go with "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" here :)
Xbox: Please play this game on gamepass. We are begging you to play it on gamepass? Not convinced? We're going to put gamepass in every single piece of marketing for the game. Still not convinced? We are going to sell gamepass for a dollar a month a week before the game comes out.
Era: So how bout them physical sales? What is MS hiding?
Era: So how bout them physical sales? What is MS hiding?
Exactly.
The only metric that I care about is whether MS is pleased enough to continue with this great experiment.
Yes, it's a direct continuation of the story from 4. I would personally recommend playing it because it's a great game a you get to know the characters. It'll take about 6-8 hours depending on the difficulty you pick. If you really don't want to play through it 5 starts with a "Previously in Gears" cutscene that goes over the basic plot of 4 to get you up to speed.
Playing 4 will still get you more invested in the main characters though that you don't get from a 1 minute summary.
Every fucking thread has to dissolve into console-war bullshit?
Jesus, I'm sick of this shit....some of you just love to fucking kill this hobby, don't you?
Jesus, I'm sick of this shit....some of you just love to fucking kill this hobby, don't you?
I just hope Gears 5 is even a bigger success just for your sake. You seem to be very concerned about the performance of this game whether it's review scores or sales numbers.
Everyone is going to talk about how "the sales are bad" but I think Microsoft got a big win here. The gamepass deal got a lot of people to try Gears 5 which had some lack of interest due to franchise fatigue and an "ok" previous entry and overall the buzz has been mostly positive, and they also got tons of new gamepass subscribers. Even if a lot cancel I am will to bet quite a few will stick around.
I mean, its $2 to play the game. And some people might have subscribed for something else, checked gears out for 5 minutes, and then never touched it again. Its not enough info to really know if the game was a big hit or not. Of course the company that made it would say it was.
You're joking right?
MS is playing their own game. It has been this way for a while....
Correct me if I'm wrong, but some of those "maximum of 2 bestsellers a year" are still charting high over a year after their release.
Meaning that they've been bringing in continuous revenue since their release.
Isn't that still better than a 1 dollars/month service ?
You could say that for literally any PR release of a game. It doesn't matter if it's for a 60 dollar game or gamepass. 3 million is 3 million. It also had the most playtime of any game over the weekend, beating out FortNite
These stats are pretty meaningless anymore when you can play it for effectively a few dollars and then drop it if you don't want it.
You could also say "X Demo that was available on X Service had 2million players!". It really just means people checked it out at launch, and really nothing more than that.
You could also say "X Demo that was available on X Service had 2million players!". It really just means people checked it out at launch, and really nothing more than that.
Why would MS do that? Probably over half of the people are playing via Game Pass. That's what's most important to them.
Who cares about the sales at this point. It's about the whole picture. Engagement, reach, etc.
Congrats to TC, its a truly incredible feat. The game is a technical powerhouse. The campaign is tied with 2 as the best campaign in the series and one of the better TPS campaigns I've played to date. I suck at Gears MP but they actually made me interested with Arcade and I hear nothing but awesome things about Escape and Horde this time around.
Nice to see developers coming in and congratulating fellow developers and recognizing hard work and talent....
...and the usual users trying their very damnedest to downplay it.
3mill in a week is excellent and will surely drive revenue with cosmetics, XBL subs, etc. As long as your eyeing MS's marketplace, its surely beneficial for MS in the long run. Gamepass is just too good and itll keep on rolling with this rumored lineup for October thats supposed to be bomb among Outer Worlds too.
Nice to see developers coming in and congratulating fellow developers and recognizing hard work and talent....
...and the usual users trying their very damnedest to downplay it.
3mill in a week is excellent and will surely drive revenue with cosmetics, XBL subs, etc. As long as your eyeing MS's marketplace, its surely beneficial for MS in the long run. Gamepass is just too good and itll keep on rolling with this rumored lineup for October thats supposed to be bomb among Outer Worlds too.
Uhm… yes it does? 3 million full game sales is a MUCH different metric than just 3 million "users" when you are almost giving the game away for free.
It's not about physical sales, I just think that the players number should be higher. Many games sell 3 million or more in their first weekend at $60, so with GP it should be a lot more.
Maybe it means that GP increases players with time, as someone mentioned that happened with Forza.
Gamepass was so incredibly cheap that I thought it would be a crime if I didn't subscribe. Already finished Gears 5, up to Hellblade next.
That's why Fortnite is such a failure they have to literally give it away for free. When is Epic going to learn you can't make money from doing that? Show us the Fortnite sales!
It doesn't cost 1 dollar beyond your first or second month.
I'm one of the players that 'doesn't count'--no interest in the franchise before, not a fan of shooters in general (I can't aim, it's a problem, I'm playing on Beginner to just see the world/story), only installed it because I had GamePass anyway and the reviews have been strong.
I played through Act I last night and had an alright time; depending on how the next two acts go this might have put Gears in my list of series to play going forward, which I think makes it a win for MS. It's not $60 in their pocket now, but it's a shot at more of my money in the future that they'd have never gotten otherwise and makes me more likely to remain subbed to GamePass for more experiences like this. GamePass' long-term viability is going to have a lot to do with how people react going forward, but at least personally it seems like it's working.
I played through Act I last night and had an alright time; depending on how the next two acts go this might have put Gears in my list of series to play going forward, which I think makes it a win for MS. It's not $60 in their pocket now, but it's a shot at more of my money in the future that they'd have never gotten otherwise and makes me more likely to remain subbed to GamePass for more experiences like this. GamePass' long-term viability is going to have a lot to do with how people react going forward, but at least personally it seems like it's working.
That's a tidy $6m for MS. Well done!!
Doesn't it require gamers to play for one hour to count in the total player numbers? I vaguely recall someone mentioning that on here.
Doesn't it require gamers to play for one hour to count in the total player numbers? I vaguely recall someone mentioning that on here.
The trick is that the never reveal revenue and will only quote subscriber numbers to investors. The WWE does this, even when putting their subs on constant fire sales or even free subscription period.
It's a model that's great at making you look succesful, profitability be damned.
