I've been playing alot of Garou again because of all the Smash stuff, man, it's so good.
Just wish I was better with Rock
Just wish I was better with Rock
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Garou: Mark of the Wolves -- SNK's finest Hour (Terry Bogard) (Switch sale going on now!)
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I remember the first time I saw the amount of MEGS. My jaw dropped...
"HOW HIGH CAN THEY GO??" lol
I think it went up to 800s (?)
"HOW HIGH CAN THEY GO??" lol
I think it went up to 800s (?)
right! That meant they could do some interesting cut-scenes, which (of course) the 16-bit games couldn't really do with 32 MEGS and below.
OP is implying that the conversation in AOF2 is the one of the SNES AOF1. The dialogue is different.
AOF2 is a young Geese. That SNES AOF one shows an older Geese.
It was meant to tie to AOF2, but that extra SNES stuff is not canon for the arcade, because that was Monolith/Takara.
SNK has never treated it as canon.
But yeah, it does exist in one version.
Anyway, this is just a footnote after all.
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I do NOT miss the days of big carts like SSF2 getting charged at $150+ AUD on SNES/MD!
Huh, as someone who's never really been into fighting games this is pretty neat. The idea of Fatal Fury being more story driven than most fighters seems interesting, would it be a good idea to start with the original Fatal Fury to get more juice out of the plot, or is it more or less inconsequential? Would it make more sense to start with Garou: Mark of the Wolves or Fatal Fury 3 instead?
MOTW is a great Fighter!
I still remember being so hyped for Fatal Fury on SNES as a kid looking at the EGM spread only to be let down compared to SF2.
I still remember being so hyped for Fatal Fury on SNES as a kid looking at the EGM spread only to be let down compared to SF2.
You can skip all the old fatal fury games as the subsequent real bout series was essentially a remake of them.
Garou is the goat is a must plus regardless as it is essentially the future of the entire snk universe..
Yeah, if we are talking about a fighting game with a meaningful story that honor goes to the KoF series. At the time nothing really came close to the standards of the Orochi saga.
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Gonna have to go to bat for Mortal Kombat actually. SNK was king of Japanese fighting game story tellers, but Mortal Kombat was right there with them. The MK lore is just as interesting and complex as the KOF lore, and told in much the same way.
My dream would be a modern SNK game, with a story mode like the modern Mortal Kombat games.
Good to know, my only experience with Mk is Armageddon and while very grand, for a FG, I wouldn't really call it good.
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Do yourself a favor and at the bare minimum watch this longplay of the MK9 story mode. It's NSFW (It's MK after all, so it's gorey) but it's a retelling of MK1-3 with some time travel twists.
Kyo and Iori, and Scorpion and Sub-Zero: The two best fighting game rivalries period. Back in the day I would play through as every single character in all the MK games as they'd come out just to digest the story. MK's story was written by a comic book writer, who also put out comic book adaptations of the story, so it was always much meatier and more fleshed out than other fighting games. Just like KOF, it's dripping with lore. The Mortal Kombat movie is basically a 1:1 retelling of the first Mortal Kombat game (they skip Scorpion and Sub-Zero's story for time reasons, unfortunately), it's one of the most accurate video game to movie adaptations period.
Radically different philosophies and goals, but very story heavy non-the-less.
As the MK games have gone forward, their stories keep getting better. Armageddon was followed by MK vs DC (which felt like a direct-to-home-video movie), then MK9 (which felt like a made for TV movie), then MKX (which felt like a decent movie that could maybe get released in theaters), then MK11 (which feels like an honest to god blockbuster in terms of presentation and story telling).
If you know the history of Kyo and Iori, and how they
Finally team up in KOF97
then you might appreciate that in MK11 (actual spoilers here):
Sub-Zero and Scorpion, mortal enemies in the series for over 25 years now, FINALLY team up to defeat their common enemy, which had pitted them against each other as pawns for decades. It was a moment that had been hinted at and implied would eventually happen for, no joke, like 10 games now. Seeing it FINALLY happen in MK11 was one of the highlights of the generation, it was so awesome.
MK9 begins directly after MK Armageddon, BTW, so despite how thin that games plot is, the opening should make sense to you. They very quickly, like within a few minutes, travel back to time and start retelling MK1.
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It doesn't exactly need to have that much of a story to be better than most fighters... but that's a fair point. I'm more interested in single player content because jumping straight into online matches for fighters pretty much always turns me off immediately.
Mortal Kombat is just plain grotesque, while Fatal Fury / King of Fighters seems to have a lot more style (or at least the kind of style I like). I just don't like playing a franchise from the latest entry, which is how I ended up playing the original Final Fantasy and Final Fantasy II before games like FFVII or FFIX.
Started playing this again when the rumours of an SNK rep in Smash started picking up and it's so fucking good. The sprites look fantastic, the stages are drop-dead gorgeous and the roster is incredibly well-rounded with some of the best characters in fighting games. It's not my number one fighting game but it takes the number 2 spot easily. Really wish more people would appreciate this gem.
Imma say something true. GAROU is only heralded because of nostalgia. It's definitely the weakest of the Fatal Fury/ Kof franchise.
Rock is amazing though.
Rock is amazing though.
What nostalgia? Barely anyone talks about it from the perspective of having played it when it came out lol. And for the record, I played it for the first time in 2016 when it came out on PS4, so no nostalgia from when I say it's one of the best FGs ever made.
MOTW still holds up great today and has a really solid cast of characters. My memory is hazy, but I'm pretty sure I played it in the arcades, but if not I had the Dreamcast version at home.
The earliest FF games I was not really a fan of. It really wasn't until Real Bout that I started to enjoy them and I played them all in the arcade from the very first one - they felt clunky and unresponsive was the main criticism. The earlier SNK fighters like FF and AOF is what we would play when we walked in to the arcade and the crowd around SF was too big and there was no chance of getting on them any time soon. They were usually cheaper too. I quite enjoyed AOF1&2 even though I thought they were pretty difficult, and It wasn't really until KOF'94 that I thought SNK could go toe-to-toe with Capcom in terms of gameplay, even though I enjoyed the characters and worlds they created before then.
The earliest FF games I was not really a fan of. It really wasn't until Real Bout that I started to enjoy them and I played them all in the arcade from the very first one - they felt clunky and unresponsive was the main criticism. The earlier SNK fighters like FF and AOF is what we would play when we walked in to the arcade and the crowd around SF was too big and there was no chance of getting on them any time soon. They were usually cheaper too. I quite enjoyed AOF1&2 even though I thought they were pretty difficult, and It wasn't really until KOF'94 that I thought SNK could go toe-to-toe with Capcom in terms of gameplay, even though I enjoyed the characters and worlds they created before then.
The moment Terry got officially announced the first thought I had was whether he'd get his badass garou outfit as a secondary costume color
Garou is such a great game. And to this day it still plays and looks awesome.
Look at this incredible animation on their clothing, particularly the creases.
Not even 3rd Strike is on this level. I long for the day we see something like this in a 3D fighting game, instead of the usual concrete pants/shirts we get in every game.
Look at this incredible animation on their clothing, particularly the creases.
Not even 3rd Strike is on this level. I long for the day we see something like this in a 3D fighting game, instead of the usual concrete pants/shirts we get in every game.
So basically if I want to get the most out of Garou I can play in the following order: Real Bout FF -> Real Bout FF Special -> Real Bout 2 -> Garou. Am I getting that right?
Also, do the ACA NEO GEO ports on Switch contain the Neo Geo CD soundtracks for some games or are those the straight arcade versions? I know that Real Bout was on NGCD.
Garou has a lot of weird hidden mechanics to it (Break moves, Feint canceling) that this video does a good job of explaining:
*looks at his copy for Dreamcast
I've never dived deep into the story of FF/AoF/KoF, but I've always loved playing the games whenever I had the chance.
Thanks for the writeup, OP.
I've never dived deep into the story of FF/AoF/KoF, but I've always loved playing the games whenever I had the chance.
Thanks for the writeup, OP.
Excellent write-up. I feel pretty much identically.
So what was Real Bout anyway? Wasn't the first essentially Fatal Fury 4 and finished the storyline until Garou, with Special as a dream match and RB2 as non-canon?
I always liked the first RB because of the ring-outs.
So what was Real Bout anyway? Wasn't the first essentially Fatal Fury 4 and finished the storyline until Garou, with Special as a dream match and RB2 as non-canon?
I always liked the first RB because of the ring-outs.
Garou is such a great game. And to this day it still plays and looks awesome.
Look at this incredible animation on their clothing, particularly the creases.
Not even 3rd Strike is on this level. I long for the day we see something like this in a 3D fighting game, instead of the usual concrete pants/shirts we get in every game.
These are great animations and the crease detail is nice but I'd say SF3 animation is absolutely its equal although they're going for different things, such as the fewer folds on neutral stances to keep clothing looking soft to contrast against the hard, muscular form of the body. You can see how the soft edges of the knees disappear when attacking as harsher/sharper lines are then introduced to enhance the line of action. The follow-through/overlap on clothes is a masterclass.
The fact that this game runs on Neo geo hardware is a miracle.
This was the one that SNK against SF3 which ran on the new and shiny CPS3.
This was the one that SNK against SF3 which ran on the new and shiny CPS3.
Canonically I think Terry is considered to be at the top, certainly for FF series any way. Story wise Andy is more disciplined while Terry is a bit more brutish. I think canonically Terry wins all the KoF tourneys in the FF series.
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These are great animations and the crease detail is nice but I'd say SF3 animation is absolutely its equal although they're going for different things, such as the fewer folds on neutral stances to keep clothing looking soft to contrast against the hard, muscular form of the body. You can see how the soft edges of the knees disappear when attacking as harsher/sharper lines are then introduced to enhance the line of action. The follow-through/overlap on clothes is a masterclass.
The cps3 is made specifically to display lots of frames of animation and has over 32 MB of system ram and 8 MB of vram. The neo geo has 64 kb of vram, 125 times less video memory. One of these games is waaaay more impressive for the hardware.
Coming from deep roots in the FGC I've seen many people Stan this game, specifically. It's not terrible as a fighter but it definitely ain't good or masterclass when it comes to fatal fury.
Of course you don't know if you've first played the game in '16.
To be fair, I like MOTW, it just ain't one of the best, objectively speaking.
Garou is such a great game. And to this day it still plays and looks awesome.
Look at this incredible animation on their clothing, particularly the creases.
Not even 3rd Strike is on this level. I long for the day we see something like this in a 3D fighting game, instead of the usual concrete pants/shirts we get in every game.
Those knees popping in and out are making me drool.
Is the PSVita release of Garou good? I want to give it a try.
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Ah right. I knew that but somehow I excluded it in my mind as a sort of it doesn't count kind of thing.
Anything SNK is mostly underapreaciated or straight up ignored in america. The exception is metal slug, but this forum in particular is very anglocentric,so you'll almost never see anything about garou.
Oh no doubt, very impressive for the hardware. But we're talking about the artistic quality of the animation, particularly how creases are described.
Obviously 3rd Strike is a beautiful game, lord knows, but I've always been even more impressed by how clothing is animated in Garou.These are great animations and the crease detail is nice but I'd say SF3 animation is absolutely its equal although they're going for different things, such as the fewer folds on neutral stances to keep clothing looking soft to contrast against the hard, muscular form of the body. You can see how the soft edges of the knees disappear when attacking as harsher/sharper lines are then introduced to enhance the line of action. The follow-through/overlap on clothes is a masterclass.
In general I feel like the animation prowess of SNK goes underappreciated.
This is me at your reply.
Had you asked for clarification I would have delivered. Don't quote me. :)
Garou is my favorite SNK game ever, and probably my 2nd or 3rd fav 2d fighter (A2, Vsav, Garou).
I really, really hope we're getting a garou 2 after KoF15.
It's cool to have an opinion, you just can't, you know, put objectively at the end of your subjective opinion.
And yeah, I played Garou in arcades. And still play it to this day.
I really, really hope we're getting a garou 2 after KoF15.
It's cool to have an opinion, you just can't, you know, put objectively at the end of your subjective opinion.
And yeah, I played Garou in arcades. And still play it to this day.