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GamesRadar: Will Sony Dominate The Next Generation Or Can Microsoft Stage A Huge Comeback
- Thread starter Sillegamer
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I see you are not commenting Vita at all. Why is that?
How about PlayStation Classic? That piece of shit is probably buried deep already.
Sony branded Classic console should have easily beaten Nintendo Classics, right?
Sony will dominate next gen unless they start out the gate terribly. They're still pumping out fantastic games at the end of PS4s run and it'll lead to a great start for the PS5 for sure.
With sequels from Spider-Man and God of War coming too there's no way those who played em wouldn't get a PS5 knowing they're coming.
I haven't plugged in my Xbone in probably a year, just nothing that really catches my eye and I'm a guy that never played the big Sony exclusives. God of War was my first in the series and I started the Uncharted games late.
With sequels from Spider-Man and God of War coming too there's no way those who played em wouldn't get a PS5 knowing they're coming.
I haven't plugged in my Xbone in probably a year, just nothing that really catches my eye and I'm a guy that never played the big Sony exclusives. God of War was my first in the series and I started the Uncharted games late.
They didn't. The PS3 and 360 ended up in pretty much a tie- the last numbers were have for either are "about 84 million" for the 360 and "about" 87 million for the PS3.
The PS3 arrived a year later than the 360, but both were discontinued the same year. The PS3 outsold the 360 worldwide every single year they were both on the market, despite launching at a completely absurd price point. Again the PS3 if launched tomorrow at the same price would be $760. There is no one Sony included that could get away with launching a console right now at damned near $800 and go on to sell nearly 90 million of them.
With that big wins i was referring to handhelds (which are consoles too), where Nintendo has always had those huge margins over Sony. I mentioned Wii cause it is still the best selling home console of gen 7 after all.
It's still only half of Nintendo DS sales (154.02 mln units)
Sony had some good ideas with PSP but in the long run you could totally see their lack of commitment, with PS Vita you could have seen that lack of commitment right from the start. Nintendo has always been extremely committed on their portables (not as much with the home consoles)
The point is back to your original post, there is really not a brand universally better than the others in the console industry: Sony and Nintendo had their big wins and their failures, SEGA mostly failures, Microsoft has always been in the mix.
I'm merely talking about the contents, you talk about third party relations now which is a complete different topic.
Nintendo built a first production during those first three gens, with internal studios and partnerships with external ones, and most of those partnerships are still in place today after 20-30 years.
What Sony in the PS3-PS4 (building that first party production) and what Microsoft is doing now is similar to that except it started much much later and they are still keeping all the good third party relations that as you mentioned Nintendo lost at some point.
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They need to invest in both outside their non-gaming business as well. They are just leveraging their strength and a weakness for Sony.
Of course they're concerned. It'd be stupid not to be concerned when you lost over 40m units compared to last gen.
They've simply chose to not show it and instead focused on their subscription model. It's a growing market but it'd be ignorant to not notice that those subscriptions are tied to the unit sales even if only partially.
the handheld market entered a SEVERE contraction the following generation. The 3DS didn't come close to the sales of the DS, and the Vita failed compared to the PSP. Sony drastically scaled back support for the Vita when this became apparent.
This is the reason you have a hybrid console in the Switch now instead of a dedicated handheld.
Pretty sure we're talking console systems, of which the PS classic isn't one?
Sony has allowed PS1 games to remain in circulation and be playable for next to nothing on every system up to the PS3 and Vita. You could buy a PS1 game digitally on PSP (75 million units sold), and use that same PS1 title on the PS3 (90m), Vita (15m), and PSTV (negligible). Nintendo did not allow this.
Physical copies of playstation games also had a circulation easily TEN TIMES that of cart based games, because production was cheaper.
A PS Classic was a bad idea from the start, because demand would not be the same as it would be for a system based on cart based titles that were less common and harder to come by.
Sony will probably sell more as it's a global brand. Microsoft will close the gap somewhat though. If reports are true that the PS5 is more powerful, Xbox has to launch at a cheaper price point as it did with the 360 to be competitive.
Things will continue as they are now, I think, with Microsoft looking like a more and more attractive option by the day because I doubt Sony will go all in on features like Microsoft did, as they won't feel they have to. This will put Microsoft in a better and better position as time goes on. I haven't bought a PS4 game since Spiderman, and I have no plans whatsoever to get a PS5 at any point, something I couldn't have said two years ago. And I hope Sony continues to dominate, as that's what made Xbox into the monster platform it's become over the last three years.
I'm sorry, but we ain't about this pacifist BS. Pick a side dammit!
Haha all the excuses.
When Sony wins, it's because they always win because they're perfect and the brand is so amazingly strong.
When Sony loses, it doesn't count because of made up excuses.
Pricing is everything, MS launch XB1 $100 more than PS4, Sony will win again but the gap going to be smaller if consoles are the same price day 1..
Sadly many have already even before a price is announced or what games will be on them (aside from Halo Infinite)
No one does
I am not alone then at least haha.
That's true, whatever they are doing seems to be working for them though I suppose.
I see, I wasn't aware of any of this, that's pretty incredible in regards to the numbers Sony did with the PS3.
No idea who comes out on top, but I certainly see MS gaining ground significantly after last gen.
they never had, ps3 came out a year later and sold more in the end
for that to be possible, ps3 had basically to sell better than 360 every single year to close the gap
Sony put in some serious work to keep the PS3 viable that generation- tons of revisions to cost cut the system down, a lot of investment in first party software, literally giving away games for free with PS+.
but even with all that, The PS3 would have been a WiiU esque sales disaster had the PS2 not been a complete and total juggernaut in the console space the generation prior. As strong as the Sony brand is now, it was MUCH stronger during the PS2 era.
They will both be successful, sure, but I don't see a change in the situation in terms of hardware sold.
Sony managed to reinvent God of War, has Last of Us, Horizon, etc. MS is still pushing Halo, a title that has lost relevancy in the MP space. I don't see anything reinvented with Halo, so the same Halo fans will be happy, while I doubt most newcomers will be enticed. I wonder how soon MS can show off actual new big IPs for the studios they bought.
Sony managed to reinvent God of War, has Last of Us, Horizon, etc. MS is still pushing Halo, a title that has lost relevancy in the MP space. I don't see anything reinvented with Halo, so the same Halo fans will be happy, while I doubt most newcomers will be enticed. I wonder how soon MS can show off actual new big IPs for the studios they bought.
Easy victory again for Sony.
When, are these game sites going to realize that the world is not America. The Xbox brand is dead in most countries.
There are places in the world that they couldn't give an Xbox console away.
When, are these game sites going to realize that the world is not America. The Xbox brand is dead in most countries.
There are places in the world that they couldn't give an Xbox console away.
Sony. But the industry is so big everyone can be successful and profitable. Holiday 2020 is going to be insane though. PS5, Nextbox, Switch Pro, and huge games to sell all 3.
Wrong, Switch is an hybrid because Nintendo needed a Wii U successor but they couldn't afford another home console only, this is their way to keep a presence in the living room with a successful product.
Much like the PS3 for Sony, 3DS was a flawed product a launch and yet they managed to make it successful anyway.
The home console future was a question mark for Nintendo, not portables, in fact initially they thought about making a 3DS successor for a while then realized they can do that with Switch.
PS Vita was never a success even in its first year, you could tell the whole thing was a wait and see, they invested a lot on the hardware but never on software.
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360 couldn't even maintain their huge advantage last gen at Sony's worst with a year head start, a console that was way easier to develop for,and was way cheaper while having actual exclusives that couldn't be played anywhere else. Scarlet won't have any of those advantages going for them. It would take a huge colossal fuck up from Sony for PS5 not to dominate yet again next-gen.
Sony is in a good position to dominate again in hardware sales, software sales, and network services revenue, if they can do the following:
- continue to associate the PS brand with the best selling games like COD and GTA (rumored 1-month exclusivity for GTA6 on PS5)
- the next Fortnite and gaming phenomenon will come from third-party, they just need to complement those games with their high-quality first-party content that appeal to the very top Youtube/Twitter influencers
- continue to associate the PS brand with the best selling games like COD and GTA (rumored 1-month exclusivity for GTA6 on PS5)
- the next Fortnite and gaming phenomenon will come from third-party, they just need to complement those games with their high-quality first-party content that appeal to the very top Youtube/Twitter influencers
If Nintendo could have gotten away with releasing another handheld that could reliably sell 100m units or so they would have. They didn't, because the dedicated handheld market was being obliterated by mobile. The GC failing at 20m units or so (and it sold that 20m from 2001-2007, compared to the WiiU selling 13m from 2012-2016ish) didn't cause nintendo to exit the home console space because the GBA and DS provided sufficient revenue to sustain a home console business no matter how bad it was.
That's no longer true, and will become less true as smartphones get cheaper.
It's both, but the inevitable erosion of the portable market was the bigger issue. The home console market was and is healthy overall- the right console could succeed easily. The handheld space on the other hand is in a state of freefall and Nintendo has no way to compete with cheap mobile phones.
It was REALLY obvious VERY quickly that there was no real market for the PSVita. the thing was sent to die from the start. The hardware investment was a sunk cost- it was better to release what was developed than not at all, but there is a reason there was no significant software development on that platform. It was DOA and the launch sales numbers show this pretty definitively.
From the PS Vita thread a while ago.
LTD through 2018, Uncharted is barely over 400K. Unit 13 is just over 200k. The Vita was DOA in the west as soon as it hit, and Sony knew this- thus the lack of software support. Smartphones had eaten the market for that kind of system alive.
I remain unconvinced that xcloud will take off anytime soon and I don't believe they will make the type of games that appeal to Sony and Nintendo fans, further more if these gamers look at both xcloud and stadia I think they'll choose stadia, assuming they haven't already committed to a stronger ps now that will come eventually.
Its actually very easy. Next gen won't be about how many consoles sold. It'll be about services, streaming and software.
Lol.
Dude. It flopped because Sony put no fucking effort in and pushed out a bad product.
A proper PS1 Classic or PS2 Classic and I would buy it instantly.
Who exactly is the market for a PS classic? someone that loves old Sony games but mysteriously never bought any titles digitally and doesn't own a PSP, PS3, or Vita?
That market is tiny as hell.