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They're in a perfect position to take advantage and sell the technology. With Apple and Sony in the game, its going to get another shot in the arm. Only thing that worries me is we're going head first into exclusive territory - and not just to single out Sony, Apple and Facebook will likely do the same. Not an easy time to be a VR dev.
I hope not, that sounds uncomfortable to wear. They should make it the coldest VR headset yet, not the hottest.
the article is basically just speculation based on a bunch of patents that may never see the day light.
I'd love it to happen, but after what Ryan has said about the future of VR tech being 'more than a while away' (or something to that extent), I think it's important to not assume that PSVR2 really is on the way at this stage.
If they go for anything besides inside out tracking...ehh...not sure how much tolerance I have to wire up a room again
I don't want to place shit around my room to be tracked. The quest 2's tracking is really damn good and all done through the headset. I hope Sony goes that route with dual sense features put into the controllers.
All I want out of PSVR 2
- Better Screen in Headset
- Camera free tracking (I know the camera are part of the headset but you get what I mean)
- No box needed, just plug that shit into the USB C port or something. Don't even know if that's feasible but I hate how much extra stuff I need plugged in for PSVR. Reminds me of the old Sega Genesis add-ons.
- Better Screen in Headset
- Camera free tracking (I know the camera are part of the headset but you get what I mean)
- No box needed, just plug that shit into the USB C port or something. Don't even know if that's feasible but I hate how much extra stuff I need plugged in for PSVR. Reminds me of the old Sega Genesis add-ons.
I agree, I'll just add the obvious: new VR Controllers with DualSense Features.
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PSVR2 has the potential to be the game changer the VR space has needed but it's gonna have to hit all the notes:
- Easy plug and play, I.E. it needs to have the Quest 2's level of tracking and likely needs a wifi solution so it is wireless.
- It needs several killer apps followed by a steady stream of future titles
-It needs to be reasonably priced
- It needs a better screen than even Index and comparable controllers.
If they can hit those notes it can be a game changer, if not, the space will stay waiting
- Easy plug and play, I.E. it needs to have the Quest 2's level of tracking and likely needs a wifi solution so it is wireless.
- It needs several killer apps followed by a steady stream of future titles
-It needs to be reasonably priced
- It needs a better screen than even Index and comparable controllers.
If they can hit those notes it can be a game changer, if not, the space will stay waiting
I love a patent, but the majority of the stuff in that article are pie in the sky ideas that Sony throw around speculatively. I wonder if sometimes companies register silly patents to distract from their real direction.
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I dunno how high Sony is willing to set the price for their headset and I doubt they are willing to eat costs like Facebook.
Unlike Facebook, Sony has a ton of games to sell so it's probably okay to take a loss on it. PSVR was already quite cheap for what it was.
Why would it need a better screen than the Index?
The rest I agree with. Sony is going to have quite a bit of time to develop PSVR2 titles since right now PSVR is on ice.
Yeah, I don't want to buy an Xbox One.I don't want to stick crap on my walls like this:
I hope they will use a better solution...
All I want is a high resolutions screen and a way lighter build. It's probably a lot to ask but I likely won't be buying it without both of those things, as they were my main issue with the original.
Hehehe I though the same thing by looking at that console there, it's identical... maybe this is the patent for the Kinect 3.0 :'D
This seems like a very bad solution to implement in any realistic home environment.I don't want to stick crap on my walls like this:
I hope they will use a better solution...
tracking needs to come from the headset for any VR system in a console, if you need to go the way of having a vr room with a camera/tag system you are rich enough to enjoy much better PC VR experiences.
Playstation delivered a fantastic vr console experience i hope they do not make things more complex to setup.
Would love to see some of that anti-motion sickness tech in there; stimulating the sides of the head with vibrations synced to left/right footsteps.
Inside out tracking is the way, even if it's expensive.
To me the PSVR2 needs to hit:
- Two versions: one with hardware inside, like a quest 2 and one tethered to the console. Games would need to deliver two specs, but this already happens with quest 2 / pc.
- Price: Tethered version cheaper than a quest 2, standalone same price.
- Screens on par with quest 2.
- Glove like controllers.
- No breakout box, in either version.
- Bundles: Half-Life Alyx or Beat Saber, Superhot and Pistol Whip.
To me the PSVR2 needs to hit:
- Two versions: one with hardware inside, like a quest 2 and one tethered to the console. Games would need to deliver two specs, but this already happens with quest 2 / pc.
- Price: Tethered version cheaper than a quest 2, standalone same price.
- Screens on par with quest 2.
- Glove like controllers.
- No breakout box, in either version.
- Bundles: Half-Life Alyx or Beat Saber, Superhot and Pistol Whip.
They won't do that. Sony's playstation business main goal is to get that sweet cut of third party sales. If they make hardware that is compatible with PC stores, they lose that.
I don't want to stick crap on my walls like this:
I hope they will use a better solution...
I haven't looked at the patent, no idea why they'd need that many sensors when PCVR can manage with 2.
I don't want to stick crap on my walls like this:
I hope they will use a better solution...
Yeah, when everyone else is transitioning to inside-out solutions (so no cameras/sensors), this seems like the opposite way to go in terms of a plug-and-play simple console solution.
This looks like a complete faff.
Hoping this is just 'early meaningless patents'.
There are many ways to interpret what he means, I don't think PSVR2 is not coming is one of them.
Not so much interested in tracking, I think Oculus infrared solutions are fine.
I'm more interested in whether or not they manage to make it wireless and still use the power of Ps5.
Also, I wonder if it's already time for eye-tracking and foveated rendering because that would be a game-changer.
I'm more interested in whether or not they manage to make it wireless and still use the power of Ps5.
Also, I wonder if it's already time for eye-tracking and foveated rendering because that would be a game-changer.
If PSVR2 is basically just a carbon copy of the Rift S in terms of tech, specs & design AND the PSVR2 can be used with both PSVR 1&2 games I'll be happy. Whether Sony comes up with an Oculus-like solution where all PSVR1 games just work with the PSVR2 or games have to be patched to support it with Sony incentivizing devs to update their games, as long as I can play much of the PSVR1 library with a PSVR2 and it has decent inside out tracking I'll be happy.
Plugging directly into the USB-C port is very likely to be possible, there's indications the PS5 has hardware to run DisplayPort over USB-C.
PlayStation Studios |OT16| Where we're going, we don't need loads. OT
Texas Instruments TUSB1044 10 Gbps USB Type-C bi-directional linear redriver https://www.ti.com/product/TUSB1044#product-details##features Fingers crossed DP Alt Mode’s fully hooked up for single cable USB-C PSVR2 connection. The rest of the USB configuration was accurately ‘discovered’ as...
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I don't want to stick crap on my walls like this:
I hope they will use a better solution...
Sony had markerless tracking with I think the PSP - certainly with the Vita. They are 99% certain to have a Quest 2/WMR style self contained tracking for headset and controllers.
That's dumb.
It's 2021, if a headset doesn't come out with inside-out tracking they fucked up.
Plugging directly into the USB-C port is very likely to be possible, there's indications the PS5 has hardware to run DisplayPort over USB-C.
PlayStation Studios |OT16| Where we're going, we don't need loads. OT
Texas Instruments TUSB1044 10 Gbps USB Type-C bi-directional linear redriver https://www.ti.com/product/TUSB1044#product-details##features Fingers crossed DP Alt Mode’s fully hooked up for single cable USB-C PSVR2 connection. The rest of the USB configuration was accurately ‘discovered’ as...
missed that. Does DP alt mode also allow for data transfer back and forth? They'd need decent bandwidth for video signals for tracking unless they do it on the headset.
From what I remember, DP alt mode takes over the pins USB-C normally uses for USB 2.0 backwards compatibility (plus possibly a couple of others), USB 3.1 coexists with it.
DisplayPort over USB-C - DisplayPort
edit: Sorry, hit post accidentally. So it looks like the DP resolution is dependent on how many USB pins you want to have available, 4K@60 is probably a bit tight for next-gen VR, but with compression it looks like it can go up to 4K@120 with HDR support. Too bad it looks like the chip used is limited to DP 1.4.
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As a Quest 2 owner, PSVR would change the entire landscape. Maybe as much as Apple. I love the Quest 2 but it's just a placeholder until PSVR2. For me, PSVR 2 needs to be:
1. Inside Out Tracking/ Totally wireless - UNLESS
2. There's a mode that allows you to hook up to PS5 for full power (see #4)
3. PSVR2-only games similar to PSP / Vita/ Go, basically smaller experiences that require only the headset. Basically Quest 2 level games.
4. AAA experiences that push the power of the PS5 offering PS4 level VR games with higher rez and framerate. This requires a direct connection to PS5. Essentially, it's a low powered QUEST 2 for certain experiences (Superhot, Beat Saber, etc), or it's a HIGH-END machine in wired mode RE7, Skyrim, Asgard's Wrath requiring PS5
5. New controllers /tracking AT LEAST on par with Quest 2.
6. Full backwards compatibility with PSVR 1 library with improved resolution.
7. Pipe dream A: Launches with an updated version of Playstation Home.
8. Pipe dream B: Sony has been secretly working on making many of the upcoming FPS AAA First Party games on PS5 out the box PSVR2 compatible with both 2D and VR gameplay options. Thus, instant amazing library Day One.
If sony did this list, this is immediate VR dominance without isolating its existing base. I'd be ready to spend money on this.
1. Inside Out Tracking/ Totally wireless - UNLESS
2. There's a mode that allows you to hook up to PS5 for full power (see #4)
3. PSVR2-only games similar to PSP / Vita/ Go, basically smaller experiences that require only the headset. Basically Quest 2 level games.
4. AAA experiences that push the power of the PS5 offering PS4 level VR games with higher rez and framerate. This requires a direct connection to PS5. Essentially, it's a low powered QUEST 2 for certain experiences (Superhot, Beat Saber, etc), or it's a HIGH-END machine in wired mode RE7, Skyrim, Asgard's Wrath requiring PS5
5. New controllers /tracking AT LEAST on par with Quest 2.
6. Full backwards compatibility with PSVR 1 library with improved resolution.
7. Pipe dream A: Launches with an updated version of Playstation Home.
8. Pipe dream B: Sony has been secretly working on making many of the upcoming FPS AAA First Party games on PS5 out the box PSVR2 compatible with both 2D and VR gameplay options. Thus, instant amazing library Day One.
If sony did this list, this is immediate VR dominance without isolating its existing base. I'd be ready to spend money on this.
Yes the number one thing I want as a VR owner is to have a hotter headset lol.
But I really hope PSVR2 gets done and Half Life Alyx gets a wider release. Like fuck it sucks playing one of the best games of the year and it sort of comes and goes like a fart in the wind, discourse wise. I know that doesn't actually really matter but still.
I would hope also for a virtual desktop type solution, can't go wired anymore. I like being able to spin around.
But I really hope PSVR2 gets done and Half Life Alyx gets a wider release. Like fuck it sucks playing one of the best games of the year and it sort of comes and goes like a fart in the wind, discourse wise. I know that doesn't actually really matter but still.
I would hope also for a virtual desktop type solution, can't go wired anymore. I like being able to spin around.