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Games with obvious cut corners
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From in general tends to have all these obvious 'ah yeah, they cut this shit' moments in their games. If it's not what you mentioned, it's weird, sudden areas where you can only teleport out of when the vast majority of the game up until then was interconnected and so on. That remaining trap door in Byrgenwerth in Bloodborne is still one of the more infuriating ones to me.
The like warped JPG backgrounds in Fire Emblem Three Houses during support conversations.
All the support dialogues don't take place in the actual environments instead they just took prerendered screenshots of the actual environment and then warped them to look 3D with the character models on top, but there's always these weird stretches and oddities to them and you can tell they're just static images.
Overall the game is pretty damn ugly and has a lot of graphical shortcomings and limitations in the presentation. You can tell they had a very limited budget most likely and really had to stretch things as much as they could given the amount of content, VO and stuff they were trying to do with the game.
All the support dialogues don't take place in the actual environments instead they just took prerendered screenshots of the actual environment and then warped them to look 3D with the character models on top, but there's always these weird stretches and oddities to them and you can tell they're just static images.
Overall the game is pretty damn ugly and has a lot of graphical shortcomings and limitations in the presentation. You can tell they had a very limited budget most likely and really had to stretch things as much as they could given the amount of content, VO and stuff they were trying to do with the game.
It's the ending. As originally intended, the game would have continued with another level or two on Earth. Areas were modeled, some encounters were created, and voice acting was recorded for it. All of that was scrapped because there was no time to finish it. The crunch on Halo 2 was nuts.
What was cut about this? My memory may be hazy but I played the shit out of it. Both campaign and MP.
Cut-scenes in FFXIV. Most of them look like placeholder.
Lot of black screen with a sound, too.
(well, they also use black screen even when they actually have the needed animation, that was used in another cut-scene 5 mins earlier...)
We got better cut-scenes in patch 5.3, and from what yoshda said, it was thanks to the update being pushed back 1 month. They had more time ; they didn't need to cut corners.
Cut-scenes in 5.4 are back to the placeholder style.
Lot of black screen with a sound, too.
(well, they also use black screen even when they actually have the needed animation, that was used in another cut-scene 5 mins earlier...)
We got better cut-scenes in patch 5.3, and from what yoshda said, it was thanks to the update being pushed back 1 month. They had more time ; they didn't need to cut corners.
Cut-scenes in 5.4 are back to the placeholder style.
The like warped JPG backgrounds in Fire Emblem Three Houses during support conversations.
All the support dialogues don't take place in the actual environments instead they just took prerendered screenshots of the actual environment and then warped them to look 3D with the character models on top, but there's always these weird stretches and oddities to them and you can tell they're just static images.
Overall the game is pretty damn ugly and has a lot of graphical shortcomings and limitations in the presentation. You can tell they had a very limited budget most likely and really had to stretch things as much as they could given the amount of content, VO and stuff they were trying to do with the game.
wait what
i never realized this, how? its so jarring
That explains the weird and abrupt transition between Halo 2 and 3. You're all of the sudden on Earth fighting the Covenant even though at the end of 2 Master Chief went to the big Covenant ship thing.
Yeah it's really bad in all of them. The Support Convos were pretty jacked up when it came to presentation. I remember Caspars was particularly bad with like action and things happening and it's just him and Byleth on this terrible exterior screenshot and he's supposed to be chasing and fighting ruffians and all you're doing is staring at Byleth's model over this screenshot and dialogue boxes of Caspar basically narrating what he's doing.
It's a fun and fine game, but it's definitely got some major shortcomings and just cheap ass shit to it.
I actually can't believe I never noticed this. I guess I was more engaged in the conversation than in the place they were talking in.The like warped JPG backgrounds in Fire Emblem Three Houses during support conversations.
All the support dialogues don't take place in the actual environments instead they just took prerendered screenshots of the actual environment and then warped them to look 3D with the character models on top, but there's always these weird stretches and oddities to them and you can tell they're just static images.
Overall the game is pretty damn ugly and has a lot of graphical shortcomings and limitations in the presentation. You can tell they had a very limited budget most likely and really had to stretch things as much as they could given the amount of content, VO and stuff they were trying to do with the game.
Yup. Once Spyro broke free from Sony and was taken over by Universal (and Insomniac moved on from it), the creative vision was vastly different. The new team had no idea what they were doing.
Xenoblade X.
The soundtrack is not well modulated at all. Like, in the middle of a normal conversation a new soundtrack enters the game BOOM BOOM BOOM. Clear lack of polish here.
New LA is a cut corner as a whole. Cars with no physics, brutal popping...
The story has pacing problems
The soundtrack is not well modulated at all. Like, in the middle of a normal conversation a new soundtrack enters the game BOOM BOOM BOOM. Clear lack of polish here.
New LA is a cut corner as a whole. Cars with no physics, brutal popping...
The story has pacing problems
Okay, the story on Halo 2 was that Bungie made a game that ran great... on their development kits (or high-end PCs, don't remember which). It utterly could not work on a retail Xbox. The realized this after a release date was set in stone, so they had to do a ton of work to pare down or rework the game to be playable on release. There are odd areas of brokenness, and the ending had to be trimmed back, to the point that Halo 3's intro makes no goddammit sense because the events leading to Chief ending up an impact crater were cut from 2.
Also, maybe it's just me, but I 'hated' playing it my first playthrough a few months ago. Story and plot were fine, dig Keith David, space lizard warrior. Rhyming fly trap lulzy. The actual game was just kinda... I can't remember ever thoroughly having zero fun with Halo before. CE's 2001 jank required adjustment, I fucking hated 5's plot but levels were fun, plenty of levels have frustrating bits, but it felt the Halo 2 campaign was nothing but the frustrating bits.
Metroid Prime is a masterpiece, but you can see a few spots where the rush to release made its mark.
The most obvious example is Flaahgra's battle theme. In the NTSC version, the music loops incorrectly and never progresses past the first 35 seconds, an error that was fixed in subsequent releases.
NTSC version
Actual full version
Another obvious example is the Omega Pirates missiles. Scanning the missiles reveals an unfinished placeholder.
The most obvious example is Flaahgra's battle theme. In the NTSC version, the music loops incorrectly and never progresses past the first 35 seconds, an error that was fixed in subsequent releases.
NTSC version
Actual full version
Another obvious example is the Omega Pirates missiles. Scanning the missiles reveals an unfinished placeholder.
The entire "cutscene" with Rose and Leon
Loads of important stuff happening offscreen
good god the back half of the game makes this the poster child for this thread, it's soooo obvious where they ran out of time developing the game
But does it matter for what the public see? A cut down short game forced out the door only a year after when nobody was really expecting them to?
SaGa Frontier is literally unfinished but this ending in particular was always planned to be this way. The actual ending happens a few hours before with the credits and everything. That infamous part is the epilogue of the scenario.
This was also really weird considering I'm pretty sure most games aren't developed sequentially, yet with Sword & Shield it very much feels like it was. Or at least, they put a bunch of stuff towards the end on the backburner and never had the time to actually finish it up.
The PokƩmon Company's strict adherence to a cross-media rollout only negatively affects the games, honestly.
Regardless of your opinion of the game, it's disingenuous to say it had one year of development.
RE engine aside, RE3 only assets were made before they even knew if RE2make would be a success financially?
Far from the most egregious example, but it felt like in God of War 2018 the elevator fight towards the end was either filler or not as impressive as they intended it to be.
Yes, going by DuskGolem, RE3 actually started development before RE2. They were originally planned to release as one package.
Metroid Prime is a masterpiece, but you can see a few spots where the rush to release made its mark.
The most obvious example is Flaahgra's battle theme. In the NTSC version, the music loops incorrectly and never progresses past the first 35 seconds, an error that was fixed in subsequent releases.
NTSC version
Actual full version
Another obvious example is the Omega Pirates missiles. Scanning the missiles reveals an unfinished placeholder.
correction time: the music never had a loop glitch. that's the whole thing in the first release.
the music was that short originally and they made a more extended version while localizing the game for other regions (remember it released in 2002 in america but in 2003 everywhere else)
this can be verified by extracting the game files and playing back the audio for this song in a capable program. hell, just the filesizes alone show the difference since the files you obtain from the original US release are smaller than the files from any further release.
Definitely an artifact of "content stitching". Which makes me wonder why their so few mentions of FFXIII in here, which was notorious for exactly this kind of cobbling together of completed game segments.
MGS5 gets so much heat for being unfinished, but IMO 4 clearly has much more missing. Imagine creating a game with arguably more gameplay mechanics than MGS5. Then imagine setting the entire game inside traditional videogame "levels" riddled with very long rail-shooter segments, tailing missions, and tiny robot enemies on which the majority of gameplay mechanics don't apply.
Something went wrong there.
Really all of 2.0. My wife is playing through ARR and she keeps remarking on how cramped and small-scale the game feels compared to say...vanilla WoW. I can't unsee this, especially since so many of the zones are minor variants of a shared biome, with some notable exceptions. I understand why it had to be that way though.
Huh. Thanks for the correction. Are you sure they didn't just accidentally cut the original track short? It's very short compared to most of the other boss tracks in the game.
no idea why it was shorter in the first place but the fact is that the audio in the file is playing correctly and there's no glitch. it was just a way shorter version.
they changed a few things when they were localizing the game outside this like adding missile totals to the missile counter in the HUD and a few other things. you can probably find many of these version differences by googling.
And this is the most useless RPG game with stat mechanic i've ever play. They never test the balancing in the game at all. Nothing work... nothing.
when i was fighting a bosses.... that use 2 same moves... for like 20 turn, wtf.
According to sources the RE3R was in development as long as RE2R. And while RE2R was rushed towards the end (according to sources a lot have changed during the last year of the game's development, and the "2nd run" scenarios were a last minute additions), RE3R was completed long before the game was released. There weren't any cuts due to budget or time limitations - the game that was released was the game developers wanted to release. It just didn't include everything from the original game, but that was (apparently) by design.
? I mean lets be realist. MANY corners were cut here.
Not to be too harsh, but judging by your own grammar critique, your post has some cut corners as well.
Just kidding around.
Final Fantasy X's an incredibly impressive game for its time and easily in my top 3 in the series. It's the foundation for how a lot of companies approached making JRPGs on sixth generation consoles, so I'm not trying to knock what they accomplished when I say
Boy, the bestiary kinda stank
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See this Dingo? One of the first enemies in the game that you can take out with a single hit? Prepare to see a lot of it, reskins show up in most areas of the game... and they 're all equally one-note. It's not even the most recurring enemy type what with all the Flans and Eyes floating around. Compared to the PS1 Final Fantasies which had a ton of unique enemies, Final Fantasy X boasts a little over 40 species total? And you won't be seeing a good quarter of those until near the end of the game, so get ready for a lot of the same enemies over and over again.
I think the lower enemy variety was just a natural consequence of a higher-definition JRPG: a new enemy type means a whole new model means that new model's gotta look as good as the others. That effort grows exponentially as graphical expectations get higher. A lot of the aforementioned JRPGs which followed FFX had a similar problem and, as games like Breath of the Wild show, it's still an issue today in the world of HD game development.
At least Final Fantasy X made up for it in boss variety! I also think it hung a pretty clever lampshade over its enemy reuse:
The Monster Arena! Those recolors you fought throughout the game were all members of the same SPECIES, it was totally intentional! You capture enough enemies from a certain species and you can fight the most badass member of their species as a superboss. Rinse and repeat for each one--also capture one of each enemy in an area to unlock a superboss version of an enemy that's not so common. Or capture certain combos to unlock special recolors of bosses!
Sure, they're all just using renamed versions of the same moves with suped-up stats, but they're tough so they count as superbosses! Even the one truly unique Arena boss Neslug was apparently a repurposed boss cut from the base game.
Boy, the bestiary kinda stank
See this Dingo? One of the first enemies in the game that you can take out with a single hit? Prepare to see a lot of it, reskins show up in most areas of the game... and they 're all equally one-note. It's not even the most recurring enemy type what with all the Flans and Eyes floating around. Compared to the PS1 Final Fantasies which had a ton of unique enemies, Final Fantasy X boasts a little over 40 species total? And you won't be seeing a good quarter of those until near the end of the game, so get ready for a lot of the same enemies over and over again.
I think the lower enemy variety was just a natural consequence of a higher-definition JRPG: a new enemy type means a whole new model means that new model's gotta look as good as the others. That effort grows exponentially as graphical expectations get higher. A lot of the aforementioned JRPGs which followed FFX had a similar problem and, as games like Breath of the Wild show, it's still an issue today in the world of HD game development.
At least Final Fantasy X made up for it in boss variety! I also think it hung a pretty clever lampshade over its enemy reuse:
The Monster Arena! Those recolors you fought throughout the game were all members of the same SPECIES, it was totally intentional! You capture enough enemies from a certain species and you can fight the most badass member of their species as a superboss. Rinse and repeat for each one--also capture one of each enemy in an area to unlock a superboss version of an enemy that's not so common. Or capture certain combos to unlock special recolors of bosses!
Sure, they're all just using renamed versions of the same moves with suped-up stats, but they're tough so they count as superbosses! Even the one truly unique Arena boss Neslug was apparently a repurposed boss cut from the base game.
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I don't remember the specific elevator bit, been a while since I played GoW 2018, but there was a confirmed cut bit that made a lot of sense in hindsight:
I remember thinking that Atreus going from finding out about being a god, to immediately being an elitist asshole about being a god, was a bit of bad writing. Turns out, the section where he becomes a jerk got cut, and so he's left with a somewhat abrupt change of character.
Top of my list. To this day I wish I could play the version of Wind Waker where they delayed it and finished those 2 dungeons.
Shenmue III for me. It starts amazingly well and then just kind of progressively falls apart as it goes on.
The first area is fantastic and clearly achieved everything they were aiming for. The second area looks great and is really well designed but the actual story, as in the things you do, is 100% recycled from the first area. It's literally just a reprise. Then the third area, which should be the culmination of the whole thing, is essentially just a bunch of cutscenes.
I still love the game and it's miraculous it even got made but it's clear they just didn't have the money or the time to make that final area what it was supposed to be.
The first area is fantastic and clearly achieved everything they were aiming for. The second area looks great and is really well designed but the actual story, as in the things you do, is 100% recycled from the first area. It's literally just a reprise. Then the third area, which should be the culmination of the whole thing, is essentially just a bunch of cutscenes.
I still love the game and it's miraculous it even got made but it's clear they just didn't have the money or the time to make that final area what it was supposed to be.
Yup, I posted similar to this for Shenmue 3. I also had an issue with how many people in the second area (the shrine maiden especially) just sorta.... appear and suddenly they are important in the ending. Its not like 1 or 2 where you gradually built up a friendship with Ren or Gui Zhang. And yeah, the entire third part was basically cut and rushed, which is why most of the plot in that point feels like it was missing. I'd have rather they cut the second area and just did the first area, and properly built up the finale. Nothing plot wise would have been lost (they could just recycle Nio Sun into the first part instead) and had you head over to Baisha/Castle area after learning of Shenhua's fathers fate at the end of part 1. I like the city environment (was gorgeous and really fun to explore) but it just sorta brings the game down with how the plot flat out stalls for many hours.
Came here to say this. The lack of Baisha really shows, and really hurts. And the inclusion of Niaowu seems pointless besides ensuring the inclusion of forklifts for the fans.
Wind Waker is the popular example, but I'd say Breath of the Wild. The single shrine and divine beast aesthetic, the very limited enemy variety, the many duplicate combat shrines, completely absent underwater gameplay. Lots of asset re-use in general.
It's my favorite in the series, but it's clear their struggling to get the gameplay systems nailed down took the majority of dev time. Hope Botw 2 got plenty of time to flesh everything out.
It's my favorite in the series, but it's clear their struggling to get the gameplay systems nailed down took the majority of dev time. Hope Botw 2 got plenty of time to flesh everything out.
Genuinely curious if FE3H was intended to have pre-time skip routes more tailored to your house of choice. I was blown away when my SO, playing yellow route, said he had all the same missions as me, playing blue route, because until then, every mission felt tailored to blue house specifically.
i think it had to have been intended at some point and was scrapped for time/resource reasons. Having pre-time skip have different maps and missions would have made the game so much better to get through every route on š
i think it had to have been intended at some point and was scrapped for time/resource reasons. Having pre-time skip have different maps and missions would have made the game so much better to get through every route on š