So you were applying mods back then, but think you were some kind of special snowflake among PC gamers?
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Games that originated on PC or Arcade, but somehow the console port ended up being the superior version....
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So you were applying mods back then, but think you were some kind of special snowflake among PC gamers?
I think - or, better, i know - that they were not a mainstream thing, so, AGAIN, saying that something "could be modded in" in 2001 is something very, very wrong in this thread.
Again, if you imagine a common person in 2001 (common = regular PC user, buy a game, install, double click on the icon to play) being able in 2001 to find, download, apply mods on a game, then I think that your parallel universe would have been more interesting than mine. I guess that 1 out of 1000 PC players tinkered with mods back then, and I'm probably being large with the estimate.
And I close here, because, we are horribly OT at this point and I really think that we are going nowhere with this interesting excursion in alternate 2001.
this is total nonsense, even though I do agree the PS2 version of HL was great. Mods were a huge part of PC gaming and not just for the hardest of the hardcore. For a lot of games it was as easy as downloading a file and plopping it into a folder called "mods" or "maps" or whatever—it wasn't rocket science.
if you were gaming at all on pc in 2001 you were probably aware of mods. they weren't some hidden underground thing. there were entire websites and businesses that popped up and flourished around hosting them
I find it weird to say modding wasn't mainstream in the 90's/early 2000's (for as mainstream as PC gaming was in the 90's/early 2000's, which wasn't massively) when every single PC magazine regularly had "Top 100 mods for *popular game of the time*" CDs, and they got passed around school/college regularly.
Nah.
1. It's missing a ton of missions
2. The unit cap is less than half the pc version
3. Despite the tiny unit cap the game is plagued by slowdown in later stages
4. They redid the art and for some reason made all the buildings 4x larger. This makes laying out your base far more annoying and it exacerbated the games dodgy path finding as units have a hard time getting around these huge ass structures
5. Game pad. I mean seriously.
It's a commendable effort and better then one would expect but it isn't a patch on the DOS original.
Also true. I even forgot about that. CD's in gaming magazines over here had a mods section. Then you had mod only cd's that you echange with friends.
I honest to god have no idea what Stef is talking about. Its a concrete fact that moding existed and was fundemental in the 90's. Why is he making it sound like some obtuse, arcane art reserved for the most elite of intelectuals i dont get.
Mods were absolutely as mainstream back then as they are today, possibly moreso. That way the golden age of mods. Counter strike, team fortress, desert storm, natural selection, star wars battlefield 1942, aeon of strife, almost endless examples. These mods were being distributed via dial up and discs on magazines. Back then mods were at the forefront of multiplayer gameplay. I literally have no idea how you can think otherwise.
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Stef, FFS, I played ALOT of mods during the whole 90's and the first Internet connection I had was in 1999.
During those days PC maganizes with CD-ROM were a widespread thing.
Your point that PS2 version of Half-Life has an edge over the original PC version stands though.
During those days PC maganizes with CD-ROM were a widespread thing.
Your point that PS2 version of Half-Life has an edge over the original PC version stands though.
I was modding Quake before I even had internet access. Magazine discs came with both mods and modding tools.
As other have said, I think every version of an arcade game that was on the NAOMI was better on the Dreamcast. That's one of the reasons people like that console so much.
Haha no, well maybe the PS2 version found in the Alpha Anthology collection, since it had all the dip switch options and allowed for Alpha 3 Arranged with all the console characters while maintaining the vanilla CPS2 version's gameplay.
The only version of A3 I'd recommend is the CPS2 game followed by the one in the PS2 collection. It was already dug deep into at the time of its release by many in the scene.
In general (with the exception of the PS2 version in the collection), all the home ports of Alpha 3 are bad (along with Zero 3 Upper, the Naomi Arcade port of the Dreamcast version of A3, was just the coin op reverse port).
Alpha 3 the home versions, from PSX to Saturn to Dreamcast to PSP are only "good", if you just want to play it as a single player game for World Tour Mode.
And for those that don't know, Capcom would always meddle with the Alpha 3 home ports trying to rebalance, leading to something much worse.
The Saturn version of the home ports is the closest in animation frames and hitboxes. They messed up the hitboxes a lot with the Naomi/DC revision. The PSX version is decent and matches the arcade resolution closely but has a lot of animation frames missing.
The Saturn also had an enhanced dramatic Battle mode that works for the whole cast rather than just boss characters and received the addition of Reverse Dramatic Battle, where any 3 characters can fight, exclusive to this version.
The only notch against the Saturn version is the slightly squashed display - 352x224 vs 384x224 of the arcade version and slightly lengthened load times.
The PS2 anthology versions is the superior one sure, but don't count the Saturn version out.
The Saturn version has rebalanced Dhalsim, that alone disqualifies it. Hell, the PSX version played closer to the CPS2 version than the Saturn version did. Arcade perfect isn't just graphics.
All the console ports but the PS2 version are bad, period.
yes, but then there's also the saturn port, the psp port, the dc port.
Damn, I did not know that, what a bummer. Is their a list for all these changes?
I wouldn't consider them all 'bad' however - sure I understand in relation to this thread we are talking arcade perfect or better but you don't have to be a purist to a have a lot of fun with the various versions. Its good to talk about their flaws but its not necessary to speak in absoloutes.
Alpha 3 was the first time the PSX had a CPS port with such care taken, Alpha & 2 really struggled on the hardware.
honestly definitely moreso. we've lost so much amazing mod potential thanks to always online requirements and the death of server browsers. if anything, PC games outside of the handful that support and encourage modding these days have lost modding as an advantage compared to console ports for the most part
Ninja Gaiden, sure it looked prettier but the gameplay on NES was better.
Possibly Contra as well.
Possibly Contra as well.
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What in the world...
Yeah, Atomic Runner is much better on the MD than in the Arcades.Would like to hear more detail on Strider Genesis/Megadrive. I've never played but it looks like it's a marginally worse version of the arcade game from videos.
Chelnov MD always seemed better than Chelnov AC to me. Significant visual reworking, seems harder:
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Always loved that game.
Different magazines did several CDs mods compilations of DOOM, Quake, Half life etc.
